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Just maybe we need to start thinking outside the ''DC'' BOX do you think it's possible that their planning on having TROIA.OMEN.BUMBLEBEE.TEMPEST.FLASH and ARSENAL as new cast members for a reboot of The OUTSIDERS.especially since Donna.Lilith.Karen and Garth have been treated like Outsiders since the rebirth.just a thought.
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[QUOTE=warzon;3552578]Just maybe we need to start thinking outside the ''DC'' BOX do you think it's possible that their planning on having TROIA.OMEN.BUMBLEBEE.TEMPEST.FLASH and ARSENAL as new cast members for a reboot of The OUTSIDERS.especially since Donna.Lilith.Karen and Garth have been treated like Outsiders since the rebirth.just a thought.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they'll ALL be in the Outsiders but it's possible some of them will. Black Lightning and Orphan are probably going to be there too.
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[QUOTE=warzon;3552578]Just maybe we need to start thinking outside the ''DC'' BOX do you think it's possible that their planning on having TROIA.OMEN.BUMBLEBEE.TEMPEST.FLASH and ARSENAL as new cast members for a reboot of The OUTSIDERS.especially since Donna.Lilith.Karen and Garth have been treated like Outsiders since the rebirth.just a thought.[/QUOTE]
We already have three members of the new team pseudo-confirmed so there wouldn't exactly be room for all 6,although Wally is likely gonna have his own stuff going on after Flash War and the Bensons have already said they're gonna be using Roy in their GA run and, sadly, Lobdell is using him again so it's not like he'd be heading to limbo either. Even then, much as I love Garth and Donna (and like Omen and Karen) I think just adding the four of them would be a bit boring.
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Scott Snyder's Justice League will have many doors its Hall of Justice, only accessible through a connection by Martian Manhunter - making it what the writer calls an "open and inclusive and mysterious" central hub of the DCU come "New Justice."
It’s this omniscient narration: 'The public knows there are many doors in the Hall of Justice they cannot see. You must be connected by the chairman, the Martian Manhunter, in order to see them. Do you see that one behind the upside-down Coluuan fountain right now? If you see it, welcome and enter,'" Snyder told Newsarama.
[B]The Hall of Justice[/B] is a well-known fictional headquarters for the Justice League because of its inclusion in various animated series and comic books since its debut in the Super Friends cartoon during the 1970s. [B]This new version for Snyder's Justice League, however, will have portals utilized by various characters and teams, including the Teen Titans.
The motivation for setting up the Hall of Justice with many doors, Snyder said, is to give other creators the ability to utilize the iconic location in their stories and make the DCU feel more "expansive."
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[url]https://www.newsarama.com/39213-how-a-networked-hall-of-justice-connects-snyder-cheung-s-justice-league-with-other-dcu-teams.html[/url]
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[QUOTE=Grayson - The Dark Heir;3552358]Again, yes Abnett might be trash. But that has nothing to do with the direction of the book. I guess you guys didn't watch the Publisher's Panel which was livestreamed?
Because Snyder said the Titans would have major disagreements and conflict with the JL from the first issue. Apparently they learn some big secrets while in the Hall of Justice and that changes things for them. So I definitely think they'll be relatively independent, it's just the intended connectivity of all these teams is meant to let them all interact and stuff which is what the DCU has been missing since the N52. Anyways, the team basically sounds like the Young Justice animated series' "The Team" so maybe the team will be acting more proactively.[/QUOTE]
Synder also called the team basically the JL minors too. A JL farm system. Lets not gloss over that which completely invalidates everything the Titans stood for with being independent and Dick not wanting to be under Bruce's control. Turning the Titans into that and Dick into a babysitter who operates out of the JL headquarters is completely counter to the kind of character he is. He is still someone that would rather scrape by in Bludhaven with barely anything to his name than rely on Bruce's money. Just let Batman lead the team and Dick and go off and be on a new hero team instead of playing babysitter for the JL. "The Team" in the YJ show was set up from the very start to be a JL training team, Batman was the director of it in the first season, but the Titans have never been that in the comics. They have been independent. So trying to turn them into that I don't think works. Plus this won't be a small team like you are saying. It will be used as a catch-all for all the Titans characters DC has no clue what to do with probably.
Look, if they want to make Dick, Donna, Raven and ect actual full JL members with all the bells and whistles then the direction is more understandable, but they aren't doing that. It is basically taking the Titans and putting them somewhere where the JL and Batman can watch over them because as we have seen in Abnett's run they didn't view Dick as being able to deal with their own problems and made him dissolve his team. The fact that same person is still on the book should make every Dick Grayson fan worried.
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[QUOTE=Blue22;3551648]I was actually pretty fond of his costume before this current run.
[img]https://bol.ugc.bazaarvoice.com/7628/401190/photo.jpg[/img]
One of the few good things the New 52 Titans did
His current costume and hair style give off a real....anime-esque vibe. Which looks good when it's drawn by Meyers since he had a pretty anime-esque style. But not so good when other artists have drawn him.[/QUOTE]
I liked that it had Gar's red and white colors, but I usually like anime-esque style so I wasn't too bothered by it.
[QUOTE=Badou;3551678]To be honest, Raven not being on Justice League Dark is the most baffling thing about these new series. That is where she should have gone. I don't really understand why she didn't go there.[/QUOTE]
I dunno. I feel like between Titans and JLD, she would've made sense on either team.
[QUOTE=Endsong;3552429]I'm pretty sure that the Titans team isn't spinning out of [i]Metal,[/i] it's actually going to be spinning out of No Justice - that much seems pretty clear to me. I'm viewing it like Nightwing is going to be a mentor more than a leader and that the actual team leader is Raven, and that the team choices are directly related to the teams that come together in No Justice. Beast Boy is a part of Batman's team, so he suggests him for the Titans. Raven is a part of Wonder Woman's so she suggests her. M'Gann is probably back to step zero so [B]J'Onn probably suggests her as one of the few last living Green Martian's[/B]. Steel is suggested by Superman. It all seems pretty simple to me, since that's literally the entire point of this team and the fact that they operate out of the Hall of Justice.[/QUOTE]
Well, one of the last living [I]Martians[/I]. Unless she's suddenly not a White Martian anymore.
[QUOTE]I'd be fine with it if it came out that there's another team either in the book itself or in their own book that are aligned against Dick's team. Titans West so to speak, or the Olympians to keep with the reference (and have Donna come up with it!). The idea of a team that is against the League because of what they did to them makes more sense to me than the Titans working with them or actively taking their orders lying down. It'd be interesting to see a team led by Donna, Lilith, or Wally as rivals to Dick's and doing all the superhero things that people wish the old team was doing.[/QUOTE]
The Titans team that seems to conflict with Dick's team seems to be what Damian's Teen Titans are for.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;3552767] The Titans team that seems to conflict with Dick's team seems to be what Damian's Teen Titans are for.[/QUOTE]
Yep, not liking the superhero status quo. Though, I do wonder what drives characters like Damian and Wally to turn away from their mentors. I kinda understand with Emiko having a rebellious streak and you can write whatever you want with those three new guys but Damian and Wally seemed to be fairly okay with their mentors all things considered.
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[QUOTE=vasir12;3552812]Yep, not liking the superhero status quo. Though, I do wonder what drives characters like Damian and Wally to turn away from their mentors. I kinda understand with Emiko having a rebellious streak and you can write whatever you want with those three new guys but Damian and Wally seemed to be fairly okay with their mentors all things considered.[/QUOTE]
I mean, we barely see Damian interact with Batman anymore but Wally and Barry seem to have finally buried the hatchet, so maybe not everybody on the team will be as antagonistic to the League.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;3552767]
Well, one of the last living [I]Martians[/I]. Unless she's suddenly not a White Martian anymore.
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Yeah - I was talking from HIS perspective. Presumably M'Gann is gonna be back to square one, and if so J'Onn wouldn't know that she's a White Martian.
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[QUOTE=adrikito;3552606]Scott Snyder's Justice League will have many doors its Hall of Justice, only accessible through a connection by Martian Manhunter - making it what the writer calls an "open and inclusive and mysterious" central hub of the DCU come "New Justice."
It’s this omniscient narration: 'The public knows there are many doors in the Hall of Justice they cannot see. You must be connected by the chairman, the Martian Manhunter, in order to see them. Do you see that one behind the upside-down Coluuan fountain right now? If you see it, welcome and enter,'" Snyder told Newsarama.
[B]The Hall of Justice[/B] is a well-known fictional headquarters for the Justice League because of its inclusion in various animated series and comic books since its debut in the Super Friends cartoon during the 1970s. [B]This new version for Snyder's Justice League, however, will have portals utilized by various characters and teams, including the Teen Titans.
The motivation for setting up the Hall of Justice with many doors, Snyder said, is to give other creators the ability to utilize the iconic location in their stories and make the DCU feel more "expansive."
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[url]https://www.newsarama.com/39213-how-a-networked-hall-of-justice-connects-snyder-cheung-s-justice-league-with-other-dcu-teams.html[/url][/QUOTE]
I honestly love this. The DCU has been so disconnected since New 52.
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[QUOTE=Endsong;3552429]M'Gann is probably back to step zero so J'Onn probably suggests her as one of the few last living Green Martian's. [/QUOTE]
Sound theory, small correction...
M'Gann shape-shifts to appear as a green Martian but she isn't one; she's a white Martian.
Edit: Just saw this issue was already addressed. Back to your regularly scheduled programming...
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[QUOTE=HandofPrometheus;3552873]I honestly love this. The DCU has been so disconnected since New 52.[/QUOTE]
So true. Because they traded in their rich history together so they could say "All new!" Short term benefit, long term problem.
I'm still holding out hope that D-Clock glues the DCU back together again but if it doesn't it sounds like things like Hall of Justice and Sanctuary will.
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I got quoted by a few people and I'm too lazy to type much here so I'll try to be brief.
Godlike, Badou, and others: I don't disagree with your stance. Again, I fully recognize Abnett has done a poor job. And it's 100% fair to judge the future of the book based on that. All I've been saying is that the concept of the new direction has nothing to do with that. I kinda said it before, but aside from Williamson mentioning the events of #19 in The Flash Annual, nothing in Abnett's Titans has mattered to the rest of the DCU. Not even the Nightwing book.
Nightwing bringing these young heroes together is directly because of Metal and No Justice (Snyder just confirmed Dick and Amanda Waller are leading the "Earth Squad" during those events and they'll probably show up in the Green Arrow Annual which is a tie-in). So Snyder's work, not Abnett's. Maybe I'm looking at this too directly similar to YJ's The Team, but all I really see is Dick working with the JL, not under, which has nothing to do with him not wanting Bruce's money. Because I think it'd be wrong to say Dick doesn't like working with other heroes and that he wouldn't coordinate himself with longtime allies like the JL.
Once more, I get that all of that is "tainted" by Abnett's involvement, but that's the concept. If Nightwing is going to be dragged down at all, it's going to be because of Abnett's writing, not because of the new direction. And that's fine, be as negative as you guys want, but I just wanted to put that into context, so the blame is really only on Abnett and the editors of the book, not on New Justice or whatever. This is probably the first time since the N52 that Dick is considered an equal to the JL again. Although I'm know some of you don't like the idea of Dick "babysitting" as part of that (I personally love it, he was the original teen hero and I love seeing him impart that onto new heroes).
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[QUOTE=Grayson - The Dark Heir;3553409]I got quoted by a few people and I'm too lazy to type much here so I'll try to be brief.
Godlike, Badou, and others: I don't disagree with your stance. Again, I fully recognize Abnett has done a poor job. And it's 100% fair to judge the future of the book based on that. All I've been saying is that the concept of the new direction has nothing to do with that. I kinda said it before, but aside from Williamson mentioning the events of #19 in The Flash Annual, nothing in Abnett's Titans has mattered to the rest of the DCU. Not even the Nightwing book.
Nightwing bringing these young heroes together is directly because of Metal and No Justice (Snyder just confirmed Dick and Amanda Waller are leading the "Earth Squad" during those events and they'll probably show up in the Green Arrow Annual which is a tie-in). So Snyder's work, not Abnett's. Maybe I'm looking at this too directly similar to YJ's The Team, but all I really see is Dick working with the JL, not under, which has nothing to do with him not wanting Bruce's money. Because I think it'd be wrong to say Dick doesn't like working with other heroes and that he wouldn't coordinate himself with longtime allies like the JL.
Once more, I get that all of that is "tainted" by Abnett's involvement, but that's the concept. If Nightwing is going to be dragged down at all, it's going to be because of Abnett's writing, not because of the new direction. And that's fine, be as negative as you guys want, but I just wanted to put that into context, so the blame is really only on Abnett and the editors of the book, not on New Justice or whatever. This is probably the first time since the N52 that Dick is considered an equal to the JL again. Although I'm know some of you don't like the idea of Dick "babysitting" as part of that (I personally love it, he was the original teen hero and I love seeing him impart that onto new heroes).[/QUOTE]
It isn't really about working with other heroes but being under the thumb of the JL and Batman. Dick likes to do things on his terms and his way but he can't do that if he is working in the eyesight of the JL. A JL that just forced him to disband his own team too. Turning the Titans team into a JL farm system enforces the point that being a JL member is the end all be all for heroes, but the JL is also a place Dick will never be because Batman is there. Dick will never be a full JL member as long as Batman is on the JL. It won't happen. So all this does is enforce the idea that Dick will be stuck in the minors forever. That is the core of the problem. Instead of building up the Titans into an actual hero team that can stand shoulder to shoulder with the JL or JSA they folded them into being a training ground for the JL which undercuts them as an individual team. So it isn't even about Abnett. The concept it just poorly thought out.
Tim's generation should be the babysitters as the original Young Justice team they were put on together by the JL was to prepare them anyway. So Tim doing the same for younger characters fits. A character like Tim has always been more in line with following Bruce while Dick wants to be independent unless a situation (like Bruce dying) calls on him to do something else. So Tim really should be the ones training the younger heroes if that is the path they wanted to go down.
I mean you were very excited about Metal and you had really high expectation for Dick in the event I believe. It turned out that Dick was irrelevant in the event like I figured he would be because he wasn't a focus of the main series. It is the same thing here. It doesn't matter that Waller and Dick will be "leading" some Earth team because it isn't important to warrant its own book. The JL teams are what DC wants to focus on which isn't the Earth team. So I think that if you are going into this thinking that Dick will be on equal footing with the JL then you are going to end up being just as disappointed here as you were in Dick's role in Metal. He won't be looked at as their equal. He isn't a JL member so he will constantly be looking at them from a lesser position. Just like what we saw happen in the current Titans series, or in the old Outsiders series, Batman or a JL character can step in at any time and make Dick leave if they want.
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Ya, how is Dick being considered equal to the JL? I mean really. Hes not on any of the new JL teams, no he’s on the ‘farm team’ here. The JL’s AAA team. And they are one’s calling his team this. They are literally putting Dick in the minors here. Being the co-head minor league player is not him being considered an equal to the JL.