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[QUOTE=XPac;3260095]Given Wakanda has a Galactic Empire, leaving Wakanda in theory could be an option. Presumably a galactic empire would have plenty of space for their people.
That said, you can equally argue that T'CHalla would be doing his own people a disservice by having them abandon their nation that way.
I think some sort of compromise can be met which potentially can make everyone happy without having to completely remove their people. Not that any level of compromise isn't without risk... but their people shared the land at one point so it's not impossible.[/QUOTE]
It was possible to share after the initial conflict had ended and they talked after they won. The humans could have left and returned from where they came. But after you chain them up and banish them to the shadowrealm, the only appropriate option is to leave.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3260115]It was possible to share after the initial conflict had ended andthey talked after they won. The humans could have left and rerurned from where they came. But after you chain them up and banish them to the shadowrealm, the only appropriate option is to leave.[/QUOTE]
I don't agree the only appropriate option is to leave... but I certainly can see why the originators might not agree to any sort of compromise. And I frankly can see why the Wakandans wouldn't either. Any sort of agreement would be a very hard sell for T'Challa. If he does indeed decide to opt for a non-violent solution to situation, whatever it may be, it'll be quite the challenge to execute it.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3260122]I don't agree the only appropriate option is to leave... but I certainly can see why the originators might not agree to any sort of compromise. And I frankly can see why the Wakandans wouldn't either. Any sort of agreement would be a very hard sell for T'Challa. If he does indeed decide to opt for a non-violent solution to situation, whatever it may be, it'll be quite the challenge to execute it.[/QUOTE]
Considering it's a comic I doubt that. lol
What if someone allowed you to stay on their land and you committed an offense that started a fight. You win and lock him in the cellar. If he gets out you going to say we can live here together?
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[QUOTE=Cville;3260128]Considering it's a comic I doubt that. lol[/QUOTE]
Even in comics, I'll wager any solution outside of simply beating back the Originators will tick off some Wakandans. Leaving Wakanda entirely will obviously upset pretty much everyone. And a good number of people would probably have reservations about even sharing Wakanda would a group was attacking them. Regardless of whether you consider the Originators attacks justifiable or not, they can legitimately seen as a security threat. So his public support could theoretically take a hit here... doing the right thing unfortunately can do that sometimes.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3260111]I've said this before, but if the Wakandans were willing to go to over over a Dora dating, then the notion of them being spiritually advanced can be put into question.
Wakandans are ultimately just people, like everyone else. They can have the same faults and make the same mistakes. It's not like we haven't seen crime and super villains in Wakanda before. Obviously in a comic book those elements are necessary.[/QUOTE]
[B]This old song and dance is tiring Xpac. Stop ignoring the fact it wasn't a Dora dating that trigger The military mobilization, but the action of war by M'Baku killing future Tchalla.. or are we ignoring that as usual and providing the same false excuse per usual?[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3259845]Lol you don't see how it makes BP or Wakanda safe?
Coates has taken all the positive things about BP and Wakanda and "fixed" them into offensive stereotypes. It can be much clearer then that. So you think that the world outside our window from BP Should be an offensive western view point of Africa and Black's in general? Because that what Coates thinks. He deflated Tchalla because he seems to have thought Tchalla has always been portrayed as "awesome awesome awesome" so he deconstructs him after he just had 8+ year's of poor handling and deconstruction. Then he starts taking cool aspects of Priest run and Hudlins and starts taking away from them with this poor view of black males "A man with that many beautiful women around him couldn't possibly not take advantage of that" he then takes a nation that has more respect and giving women high positions in their society as equals and has a mostly female supporting cast of capable women and turns it into Black dysfunction. Men are evil rapist, or inept uncaring fools and women are just poor victims that must rally together to fight the evil Black man. Contrived plots and he is inserting crap that literally goes against the mythos, you know the one telling Jewish guys came up with and shown more respect for and apparently more woke then Coates.
Safe negro and his safe negro nation is what Coates is trying to portray. They aren't any better then the rest of the world, they are colonists who took over the indigenous peoples land and drove them out in chains, while also having another Black man earlier in the Issue in chains and being told he is a slave to Wakanda... I mean this is safe negro syndrome running full throttle and it's Insulting. ESPECIALLY with Coogler and T'chadwick coming correct and showing a powerful, positive, inspiring, and amazing Black panther for little boys and girls to look up to. They are making Tchalla into some kids Spiderman (or really I should say into some kids Black Panther), Coates is making BP into Black people's white guilt [/QUOTE]
Brother Eyzo, the non-sense that Coates is writing won't stick to BP because most people don't want their favorite superhero to be a loser.
Coates' imagination is stunted and it shows. He has nerfed T'Challa physically, intellectually and spiritually and now appears dead set on destroying Wakanda on a deeper level than Mayberry ever did by destroying Wakanda's moral superiority.
Giving Coates' Black Panther to write was like giving a person, who thinks a super strong guy flying is a stupid male power fantasy, the Superman franchise. Wherein he has Clark talk about how he is really a reporter and hates all this flying stuff and then literally has Clark as Superman hailing cabs. It's ludicrous!
[B]T'Challa is the righteous genius King of the richest and most advanced, both spiritually and technologically, nation on the planet.[/B]
If you ain't writing that, you ain't writing Black Panther.
Excelsior!
Daoud
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3260167][B]This old song and dance is tiring Xpac. Stop ignoring the fact it wasn't a Dora dating that trigger The military mobilization, but the action of war by M'Baku killing future Tchalla.. or are we ignoring that as usual and providing the same false excuse per usual?[/B][/QUOTE]
Never said that it did happen ... merely saying the fact that it could shows they're no more spiritually advanced than anyone else. Like I said, they're people too. They have the same problems and make the same mistakes. They can brag about their spiritual advancement when they're not on the verge of civil war.
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It's possible that T'Challa could lead Wakandans out into space, returning the land to the Originators. Wakanda isn't a place, it's a people. What heroes do.
He could also tell the Originators that they have three options: unify and share the land with the Wakandans who have now been here for 10,000+ years, go back from whence they came, or die. What giants do.
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[QUOTE=robreedwrites;3260218]It's possible that T'Challa could lead Wakandans out into space, returning the land to the Originators. Wakanda isn't a place, it's a people. What heroes do.
He could also tell the Originators that they have three options: unify and share the land with the Wakandans who have now been here for 10,000+ years, go back from whence they came, or die. What giants do.[/QUOTE]
The fact that Wakanda has a galactic empire definitely leaves flat out giving Wakanda to the originators an option. Though that's such a huge departure from status quo, I'd be a little surprised if they went there.
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[QUOTE=Daoud;3260179]Brother Eyzo, the non-sense that Coates is writing won't stick to BP because most people don't want their favorite superhero to be a loser.
Coates' imagination is stunted and it shows. He has nerfed T'Challa physically, intellectually and spiritually and now appears dead set on destroying Wakanda on a deeper level than Mayberry ever did by destroying Wakanda's moral superiority.
Giving Coates' Black Panther to write was like giving a person, who thinks a super strong guy flying is a stupid male power fantasy, the Superman franchise. Wherein he has Clark talk about how he is really a reporter and hates all this flying stuff and then literally has Clark as Superman hailing cabs. It's ludicrous!
[B]T'Challa is the righteous genius King of the richest and most advanced, both spiritually and technologically, nation on the planet.[/B]
If you ain't writing that, you ain't writing Black Panther.
Excelsior!
Daoud[/QUOTE]
[B] exactly, how is it that Coates had managed to destroy so far every single cool thing fans have been asking for more development on?
More on the Dora's = No one Man
A deeper look into Wakanda = Colonialism, rape culture, 3rd world dysfunction
Wakandan gods = long dragging Story that we are over halfway through S2 with barely any info/seems like mortals become God's based on faith but done is the more boring way
Planet Bast I feel like will be ruined in some sense too, who knows maybe Wakanda has colonized the planet and forced the aliens there to join or die too
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[QUOTE=XPac;3260204]Never said that it did happen ... merely saying the fact that it could shows they're no more spiritually advanced than anyone else. Like I said, they're people too. They have the same problems and make the same mistakes. They can brag about their spiritual advancement when they're not on the verge of civil war.[/QUOTE]
[B]Lol okay Xpac.ets just continue to ignore continuity for the sake of faux arguments[/B]
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is more panther merchandise showing up in stores, for Christmastime? I hope so.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3260356][B]Lol okay Xpac.ets just continue to ignore continuity for the sake of faux arguments[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not ignoring continuity, because continuity doesn't do a very good job of showcasing their spiritual advancement.
If they were so spiritually advanced, they wouldn't need the Doras in the first place. Under Priests run the tribes were on the verge of war, requiring them to take a group of young teenage girls acting as political pawns to maintain the peace. I'm sorry, but that hardly screams spiritual advancement.
What Coates is doing is essentially what McGregor did before him when Wakanda had drug problems... it showed that Wakandans are people too. They have the same problems, and they made the same mistakes. As jarring as it may be to you that Wakandans aren't better than everyone else, I'm afraid it's simply something you're going to need to get used to.
And frankly there's nothing wrong with Wakanda actually being potrayed as people who have the same problems everyone else has. It's just common sense that they would. We've already seem crime and drugs existing in their culture. We all agree that Wakanda is not supposed to be utopia... this is what that means. It means they are human beings. It means they have faults. Just like everyone else.
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[QUOTE=Daoud;3260179]Brother Eyzo, the non-sense that Coates is writing won't stick to BP because most people don't want their favorite superhero to be a loser.
Coates' imagination is stunted and it shows. He has nerfed T'Challa physically, intellectually and spiritually and now appears dead set on destroying Wakanda on a deeper level than Mayberry ever did by destroying Wakanda's moral superiority.
Giving Coates' Black Panther to write was like giving a person, who thinks a super strong guy flying is a stupid male power fantasy, the Superman franchise. Wherein he has Clark talk about how he is really a reporter and hates all this flying stuff and then literally has Clark as Superman hailing cabs. It's ludicrous!
[B]T'Challa is the righteous genius King of the richest and most advanced, both spiritually and technologically, nation on the planet.[/B]
If you ain't writing that, you ain't writing Black Panther.
Excelsior!
Daoud[/QUOTE]
He's writing BP for alt-right members who prefer their negroes safe, relatable and in need of their counsel. It's not a coincidence that the movie is the exact opposite of the book.
If the books had sound, Ta-Nehisi would have T'Challa speaking with a European accent and the usual suspects would be in here claiming it's not a big deal. Chadwick considers it a big deal. Thank Bast for the movie and cartoon, and that no one reads comics much anymore, as this is the exact opposite of making BP black America's Spider-Man.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3260425]I'm not ignoring continuity, because continuity doesn't do a very good job of showcasing their spiritual advancement.
If they were so spiritually advanced, they wouldn't need the Doras in the first place. Under Priests run the tribes were on the verge of war, requiring them to take a group of young teenage girls acting as political pawns to maintain the peace. I'm sorry, but that hardly screams spiritual advancement.
What Coates is doing is essentially what McGregor did before him when Wakanda had drug problems... it showed that Wakandans are people too. They have the same problems, and they made the same mistakes. As jarring as it may be to you that Wakandans aren't better than everyone else, I'm afraid it's simply something you're going to need to get used to.
And frankly there's nothing wrong with Wakanda actually being potrayed as people who have the same problems everyone else has. It's just common sense that they would. We've already seem crime and drugs existing in their culture. We all agree that Wakanda is not supposed to be utopia... this is what that means. It means they are human beings. It means they have faults. Just like everyone else.[/QUOTE]
If it happened before Coates than what is the point of focusing on putting it down so much. Simple answer is he wants Wakanda to be seen more inline with how Africa is viewed. Which he pretty much states in the interview I posted earlier. I dare say most BP fans like it because it is the opposite of how it is viewed. The foil to Hotel Rwanda, Last King of Scotland and Beast of No Nation. Wakanda was unique in that there was nothing like it popular culture. If it's the same as everywhere else, what the point of reading it. Might as well take BP and put him in New York permanently. I can say for me, if Coates was my first exposure to BP I probably wouldnt be a BP fan. I give him the same attention as BatWing.
Luckily now a days I have Sword and Soul books to get good afro fantasy stories.