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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3687090][B]This is why if anyone is to come back, it should be Klaw. IW shenanigans makes him come back as his MU side (we a updated look. Imhe needs to look Cooler) it was a bit odd having 3 rogues In the movie since they are his most known. But Klaw should make a return [/B][/QUOTE]
Killmonger and Klaw should come back
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[QUOTE=Cville;3687025]I think a problem that will stem from this is that it won't have much re-read value. I appreciate the dialog, but one you read it once, you can speed through it it less than a minute.[/QUOTE]
Long term that is sort of the problem with stories that are based on a mystery.
I do think there is some value re-reading this story to try and find little clues about what exactly is going on. But once the mystery is revealed, the mystique is gone.
That said, apart from that the art and action are all handled as well if not better than any other book on the shelves right now, so that aspect along I think this give story some replay value.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3687025]I think a problem that will stem from this is that it won't have much re-read value. I appreciate the dialog, but one you read it once, you can speed through it it less than a minute.[/QUOTE]
[B]The art Carried the issue. The issue Lacks meat and potatoes, the art has to play the appetizer and the main course because the dialogue and rest of the issue is super vague with random name drops with unknown faces[/B]
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[QUOTE=blacksonic;3687116]Killmonger and Klaw should come back[/QUOTE]
Both of them die and return in the source material (multipe times in fact). So it's an easy call to make.
Given Klaw right now probably has more beef with Killmonger than Klaw, returnig them together might be interesting.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3687090][B]This is why if anyone is to come back, it should be Klaw. IW shenanigans makes him come back as his MU side (we a updated look. Imhe needs to look Cooler) it was a bit odd having 3 rogues In the movie since they are his most known. But Klaw should make a return [/B][/QUOTE]
I’m really interested in seeing what Sound creature Klaw would look like in live action. But I still stand by my belief that Killmonger should stay dead.
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I don't know about bringing back dead characters to be honest. Should have found a way to keep them alive if they planned on bringing them in future movies.
Like Mark Kermode said in his Kingsman: The Golden Circle review, "Once you start bringing people back from the dead who have been quite definitively killed in the first film, suddenly any sense of jeopardy the first film had goes out of the window".
Some people will say well Loki survived but to be honest Loki has never really died throughout any of the films at least within the runtime except for IW and the supposed "death" were rather ambiguous but hey if they have a good story to tell then fine.
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Why would you resurrect dead characters? That just hurts the stories. Might as well just bring everyone back than
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;3687189]I don't know about bringing back dead characters to be honest. Should have found a way to keep them alive if they planned on bringing them in future movies.
Like Mark Kermode said in his Kingsman: The Golden Circle review, "Once you start bringing people back from the dead who have been quite definitively killed in the first film, suddenly any sense of jeopardy the first film had goes out of the window".
Some people will say well Loki survived but to be honest Loki has never really died throughout any of the films at least within the runtime except for IW and the supposed "death" were rather ambiguous but hey if they have a good story to tell then fine.[/QUOTE]
Yep.
This isn't comics. They don't have to make stories forever.
You basically have two Black Panther movies and maybe 2 more Avengers movies staring Black Panther (not counting Av4).
If you want to make a "re-occuring villain" theme, then you have to find a way to keep them alive or die ambiguously. Killmonger was neither... the spear to the gut was rather final.
MCU has never had a retread besides Loki in Thor and Avengers. Every time Loki came back after Avengers, he was never the main villain.
There is no need to retread. Move on to the next villain and story. There are plenty of other directions you can go. BP's rogues are thin for comics and plenty big for two more movies.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3687128]That said, apart from that the art and action are all handled as well if not better than any other book on the shelves right now, so that aspect along I think this give story some replay value.[/QUOTE]
I think that's where I diverge from most folks around here. Pretty art & cool action has its entertainment value, but without strong characters and an interesting plot, they are (IMO, anyway) empty calories. It's the comic-book equivalent of a "popcorn movie"... entertaining, sure, but you forget everything about it after 20 minutes.
Basically, I'm in it for the writing. =)
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[QUOTE=BlackClaw;3687171]I’m really interested in seeing what Sound creature Klaw would look like in live action. But I still stand by my belief that Killmonger should stay dead.[/QUOTE]
[B] Ultimately it's that I wanted to see live action sound Klaw. I feel like that fight would of been really cool and intense. There are Villains to be used still M'Baku for instance. Achebe, king cadaver, Baron macbre, I honestly would like to see the supremacists show up (new name) as a sinister 6 like team. I would be hesitant but Tetu and Zenzi could work too[/B]
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Shuri will take over. It will be more then 3 Black Panther films.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3687308]I think that's where I diverge from most folks around here. Pretty art & cool action has its entertainment value, but without strong characters and an interesting plot, they are (IMO, anyway) empty calories. It's the comic-book equivalent of a "popcorn movie"... entertaining, sure, but you forget everything about it after 20 minutes.
Basically, I'm in it for the writing. =)[/QUOTE]
For me a cool fight scene has the most replay value. Rather than watching a whole movie over and over again, I'll often just rewatch the fight scenes on YouTube.
But that's why this issue impressed me as much as it did. The aspect of comcis COates is weakest at is the action, but he's shown a lot of improvement here at least compared to his earlier stuff. That's nice to see.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3687308]I think that's where I diverge from most folks around here. Pretty art & cool action has its entertainment value, but without strong characters and an interesting plot, they are (IMO, anyway) empty calories. It's the comic-book equivalent of a "popcorn movie"... entertaining, sure, but you forget everything about it after 20 minutes.
Basically, I'm in it for the writing. =)[/QUOTE]
It is kind of telling we see T'challa beat up unnamed goods and redshirts with pretty art and people lose their **** in excitement. Kind of sums up the last two years.
I like fight issues and do enjoy them but... there were no feats here. Nothing memorable. These are goons. The main characters is supposed to dispatch goons easily.
But, Coates writes for complete collections so... long journey. Whatever.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3687440]It is kind of telling we see T'challa beat up unnamed goods and redshirts with pretty art and people lose their **** in excitement. Kind of sums up the last two years.
I like fight issues and do enjoy them but... there were no feats here. Nothing memorable. These are goons. The main characters is supposed to dispatch goons easily.
But, Coates writes for complete collections so... long journey. Whatever.[/QUOTE]
I think it's a little more than that. Yes, he's beating on red shirts, but he's beating on red shirts without his suit, any of his gear, or any of his resources. It's just him with literally the clothes on his back battling against a galactic empire.
It's not a battle board feat in the sense that he's fighting any A list villains. It's pretty unlikely Doom or Magneto is going to pop up anytime soon. But he is being placed in a position where he's the decided underdog ( something you often can't say about T'Challa given he's got the backing of the most advanced nation on the planet). So again, it's not a feat you can brag about in terms of putting it on a rumbles board. But it's a cool situation for the character to find himself in, because of the odds he needs to overcome.
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