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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3744176]hi there. I know you are not intending on stepping on ties but I don't think your request is a realistic one. can you talk about tchalla withiut talking about shuri or wakanda? I dont think so. ororo is his current girlfriend so unfortunately I don't think its realistic to expect her not to be mentioned. also, if many of the self professed BP fans would stop warring against coates and ororo I think you would get less of the storm/BP wars you speak of. just my two cents.[/QUOTE]
[I]I am not meaning to say "not talk about Ororo", I just wish there wasn't so much arguing about the characters /it comes across as hostile on both sides/. Maybe, it could go on the other thread /linked above/, that seems like a perfect place.
I guess the fault is mine; I will try not to complain in the future and just let all of the more knowledgeable fans like yourself duke it out with the others. Good Luck!![/I]
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3744158][I]Just a quick question, sorry if this is stepping on anyone's toes /but still new to the rules/.
Is it possible to have a separate thread like; 'Storm vs Black Panther', or something of that nature? That way, this thread can just be a T'Challa Appreciation thread please.
I enjoy reading posts about BP, but all this other stuff gives me a headache and its hard to sort through all of it to get to the posts that talk about the hero I came here to read about. Again, no offense on purpose, I just think there are enough pages here of debate, that the "BP/Storm War" could have its very own thread for the rest of you to enjoy. :)[/I][/QUOTE]
[B] Your Right Mantis Dad this had gone on too long and I apologize for indulging in it as well. It has taken at least the last 10 pages.
Question for you, have you finished up all of Hudlins run? Also have you looked into picking up David Liss BP run? The premise is kinda dumb for why Tchalla is where he is at but it's a good read.[/B]
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3744189][I]I am not meaning to say "not talk about Ororo", I just wish there wasn't so much arguing about the characters /it comes across as hostile on both sides/. Maybe, it could go on the other thread /linked above/, that seems like a perfect place.
I guess the fault is mine; I will try not to complain in the future and just let all of the more knowledgeable fans like yourself duke it out with the others. Good Luck!![/I][/QUOTE]
thank you for the clarification. yea dont think it's necessary to stop discussing her all together but I'm with you I would love to come here and not see the constant coates/storm bashing. it is quite old and tired. that said, I dont ever intend to be hostile in my responses so if it came off like that my apologies. as I mentioned before I never come here intending to go on rants (especially not about ororo) but when I see a lot of misinformation about the xmen lore as it pertains to Coates last arc i like to correct those misconceptions. I will go back to what i have been doing, providing input as I see fit, posting about the movie, and areas where I think tchalla comes off badass but I'm almost willing to bet (as even evident on the previous page) self professed bp fans who hate coates/storm/storm fans will find a way to pivot the conversation back to her and when posters like myself come in and set the record straight these same posters who brought her up will cry why arent we appreciating tchalla. it's quite nonsensical and it's a double standard because as long as these comments denigrate coates or storm, people are fine. but I'm not for bullying or shaming and I will call people out on the bs.
fyi that link is an appreciation of their love so that wouldnt be the appropriate place either for what I have seen here. but I will try do better as well until someone brings her up again lol. thanks for being cordial and respectful. :)
that said, as I mentioned to pac, what upgrades or new things would you like to see of BP in the new arc? and did you like issue 1?
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3744208][B] Your Right Mantis Dad this had gone on too long and I apologize for indulging in it as well. It has taken at least the last 10 pages.
Question for you, have you finished up all of Hudlins run? Also have you looked into picking up David Liss BP run? The premise is kinda dumb for why Tchalla is where he is at but it's a good read.[/B][/QUOTE]
[I]Hi,
My Hudlin book is at my work and I only get a chance to read it on my breaks or lunch. I am up to the part where T'Challa is in a coma, and Shuri had to kick some butt. I was swamped the last couple of days so did not get to catch up further yet. I will try Liss' books next, if that is the reading order. Mostly at home, I have been reading my IM omnibus #1 that I had never read. I hope to get back to T'Challa soon.
After all these debates, I am almost scared to read the arc about this Advasary (sp) person LOL.[/I]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3744212]thank you for the clarification. yea dont think it's necessary to stop disclosing her all together but I'm with you I would love to come here and not see the constant coates/storm bashing. it is quite old and tired. that said, I dont ever intend to be hostile in my responses so if it came off like that my apologies. as I mentioned before I never come here intending to go on rants (especially not about ororo) but when I see a lot of misinformation about the xmen lore as it pertains to Coates last arc i like to correct those misconceptions. I will go back to what i have been doing, providing input as I see fit, posting about the movie, and areas where I think tchalla comes off badass but I'm almost willing to bet (as even evident on the previous page) self professed bp fans who hate coates/storm/storm fans will find a way to pivot the conversation back to her and when posters like myself come in and set the record straight people want to talk about why arent we appreciating tchalla. it's quite nonsensical and it's a double standard because as long as there is denigrating comments about coates or storm people are fine. but I'm not for bullying or shaming and I will call people out on the bs.
fyi that link is an appreciation of their love so that wouldnt be the appropriate place either for what I have seen here. but I will try do better as well until someone brings her up again lol. thanks for being cordial and respectful. :)
that said, as I mentioned to pac, what upgrades or new things would you like to see of BP in the new arc? and did you like issue 1?[/QUOTE]
[I]Thankyou. I did like issue 1, because I know nothing of Coates besides this issue. Seems like a sci-fi mystery, and I am excited to read more of it and give him /the writer/, the benefit of the doubt. I just say to my self; "WWCPD"?
If Christopher P. gave credit to this writer, maybe I should give him a chance.[/I]
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3744217][I]Hi,
My Hudlin book is at my work and I only get a chance to read it on my breaks or lunch. I am up to the part where T'Challa is in a coma, and Shuri had to kick some butt. I was swamped the last couple of days so did not get to catch up further yet. I will try Liss' books next, if that is the reading order. Mostly at home, I have been reading my IM omnibus #1 that I had never read. I hope to get back to T'Challa soon.
After all these debates, I am almost scared to read the arc about this Advasary (sp) person LOL.[/I][/QUOTE]
dont be scared beloved. hudlin did good with introducing shuri and in a way where it seemed like she was always a part of his mythos, he also handled tchalla well. I think you will like coates' work. at times it can be wordy but he has put a lot of thought into his story so try not let opinions here on either side affect you when you get to his issues and try to have an open mind. I think at least coates tchalla was very thoughtful in terms of his place and role in wakanda that is very progressive, and he shows tchalla as being the nexus and brain behind all the moving parts within wakanda. I think you will like it and cant wait to hear ur thoughts!
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3744222][I]Thankyou. I did like issue 1, because I know nothing of Coates besides this issue. Seems like a sci-fi mystery, and I am excited to read more of it and give him /the writer/, the benefit of the doubt. I just say to my self; "WWCPD"?
If Christopher P. gave credit to this writer, maybe I should give him a chance.[/I][/QUOTE]
I will admit this reads a bit different from what his previous bpbook but that was most certainly by design. Tchalla in the previous book had a lot he felt he needed to redeem himself for. I dont want to spoil anything but based upon things that happened leading up to coates work, I think the direction he took tchalla made the most sense. it was a story of redemption of sorts with him figuring out the type of man he wanted to be not only as leader of wakanda but as a man in general. but as you mentioned I loved the scifi elements of issue 1. for some reason I get star war feels lol.
yea. people have their reasons for loving coates and hating him but I think you being a new reader deserve the right to develop your own opinions through your experiences and feelings you have as you read these stories. I think that is the best approach and attitude to have.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3744176]hi there. I know you are not intending on stepping on ties but I don't think your request is a realistic one. [B]can you talk about tchalla without talking about shuri or wakanda? [/B] I dont think so. ororo is his current girlfriend so unfortunately I don't think its realistic to expect her not to be mentioned. [/QUOTE]
Shuri & Wakanda are not OWNED by another franchise. So they are 100% part of his franchise. So if anyone wanted to do something with them beyond comics-they don't have to deal with that other office.
Where disrespect to the King is expected. Where they don't even bother to acknowledge what is done in this book for the most part.
[QUOTE]also, if many of the self professed BP fans would stop warring against coates and ororo and actually appreciate tchalla I think you would get less of the storm/BP wars you speak of. just my two cents.[/QUOTE]
Me keeping my MONEY in my pocket and not supporting this book is appreciating Black Panther. Since he doesn't have his own book for some reason.
Because at the END Black Panther has 2 movies, 1 short lived tv show, 190+ solo issues, 50+ trades, 10+ toys and gave little black boys something to look up to.
Kirby, Priest, Huldon, Hickman, McDuffie and others (before Coates) busted their BEHINDS to get to that point. Fighting every single racist troll online and off. Especially when a certain franchise used someone as a tool to bash him as the worst black man on the planet. Without and I repeat WITHOUT taking over someone's book.
When does Storm get that? Not sitting up putting MONEY into the pocket of the Black Panther. All that does is open the door for him and SHURI & Queen Nadia to expand the Panther Empire. An Empire Storm can not join. She's an X-Man first and ONLY.
World building Storm in Panther's book means NOTHING. Because when Coates leaves-who is going to take up the cause? Not the X-Office. Not whoever gets Panther. Not Marvel. Because all they see is those sales numbers for Panther's book that probably got boosts from Storm fans and HE gets the investment NOT her.
Its not Panther fans hating Storm. It's she needs her OWN stuff. She needs her OWN book. Because long run this does not benefit her. It only makes her Cyborg. Yeah it's nice to see her with something but you have to think LONG run.
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3744217][I]Hi,
My Hudlin book is at my work and I only get a chance to read it on my breaks or lunch. I am up to the part where T'Challa is in a coma, and Shuri had to kick some butt. I was swamped the last couple of days so did not get to catch up further yet. I will try Liss' books next, if that is the reading order. Mostly at home, I have been reading my IM omnibus #1 that I had never read. I hope to get back to T'Challa soon.
After all these debates, I am almost scared to read the arc about this Advasary (sp) person LOL.[/I][/QUOTE]
Don't bother reading it. It's stupid as hell.
Check out Narcisse's book though.
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I can't help but wonder if the song would be the same if people went to the Storm thread and talked how great T'Challa is.
Don't worry, tho. I won't. Life is too damn short to waste time like that.
Call me if you need me, brothers. My inbox is always open.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;3744295]Shuri & Wakanda are not OWNED by another franchise. So they are 100% part of his franchise. So if anyone wanted to do something with them beyond comics-they don't have to deal with that other office.
Where disrespect to the King is expected. Where they don't even bother to acknowledge what is done in this book for the most part.
Me keeping my MONEY in my pocket and not supporting this book is appreciating Black Panther. Since he doesn't have his own book for some reason.
Because at the END Black Panther has 2 movies, 1 short lived tv show, 190+ solo issues, 50+ trades, 10+ toys and gave little black boys something to look up to.
Kirby, Priest, Huldon, Hickman, McDuffie and others (before Coates) busted their BEHINDS to get to that point. Fighting every single racist troll online and off. Especially when a certain franchise used someone as a tool to bash him as the worst black man on the planet. Without and I repeat WITHOUT taking over someone's book.
When does Storm get that? Not sitting up putting MONEY into the pocket of the Black Panther. All that does is open the door for him and SHURI & Queen Nadia to expand the Panther Empire. An Empire Storm can not join. She's an X-Man first and ONLY.
World building Storm in Panther's book means NOTHING. Because when Coates leaves-who is going to take up the cause? Not the X-Office. Not whoever gets Panther. Not Marvel. Because all they see is those sales numbers for Panther's book that probably got boosts from Storm fans and HE gets the investment NOT her.
Its not Panther fans hating Storm. It's she needs her OWN stuff. She needs her OWN book. Because long run this does not benefit her. It only makes her Cyborg. Yeah it's nice to see her with something but you have to think LONG run.[/QUOTE]
I understand your point but should coates not write her because of that? because he doesnt own her fully?
storm being in BP franchise is not the fault of coates. hudlin was the one who set the path for that and honestly before it was announced I remember saying coates may know something we didnt with putting him back with ororo. I imagine when disney get full rights to the xmen we will see better synergy across the franchises.
and we dont know what will happen after coates leaves but at this moment he has established her as a part of wakandas mythos, as well as xmen red. so it's not just contained to bp.
and wakanda is a part of her stuff hudlin made what we have now possible but I agree I want her to have her own little corner that links to her and only her. like I said once Disney get the rights back I expect to see things change I hopefully positive ways.
to your point about hating I respectfully disagree. I come here too often to shady comments about coates and/or storm .
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3744307]I can't help but wonder if the song would be the same if people went to the Storm thread and talked how great T'Challa is.
Don't worry, tho. I won't. Life is too damn short to waste time like that.
Call me if you need me, brothers. My inbox is always open.[/QUOTE]
the opposite actually happens in her thread. people are in fact welcomed to talk about him and how they like him without being charged with being a troll. you can ask your buds here who low key lurk there.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;3744295]Shuri & Wakanda are not OWNED by another franchise. So they are 100% part of his franchise. So if anyone wanted to do something with them beyond comics-they don't have to deal with that other office.
Where disrespect to the King is expected. Where they don't even bother to acknowledge what is done in this book for the most part.
Me keeping my MONEY in my pocket and not supporting this book is appreciating Black Panther. Since he doesn't have his own book for some reason.
Because at the END Black Panther has 2 movies, 1 short lived tv show, 190+ solo issues, 50+ trades, 10+ toys and gave little black boys something to look up to.
Kirby, Priest, Huldon, Hickman, McDuffie and others (before Coates) busted their BEHINDS to get to that point. Fighting every single racist troll online and off. Especially when a certain franchise used someone as a tool to bash him as the worst black man on the planet. Without and I repeat WITHOUT taking over someone's book.
When does Storm get that? Not sitting up putting MONEY into the pocket of the Black Panther. All that does is open the door for him and SHURI & Queen Nadia to expand the Panther Empire. An Empire Storm can not join. She's an X-Man first and ONLY.
World building Storm in Panther's book means NOTHING. Because when Coates leaves-who is going to take up the cause? Not the X-Office. Not whoever gets Panther. Not Marvel. Because all they see is those sales numbers for Panther's book that probably got boosts from Storm fans and HE gets the investment NOT her.
Its not Panther fans hating Storm. It's she needs her OWN stuff. She needs her OWN book. Because long run this does not benefit her. It only makes her Cyborg. Yeah it's nice to see her with something but you have to think LONG run.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, whats i interesting is that x-writers barely bat an eye at the work Coates is putting in on Storm, further validation that if there's no Storm book going to Coates he will have spent a year plus making an unrelated character almost as important as the main character. That represents too much wasted paper and time for people who really want a T'challa that is utilized and developed similar to what Scott Snyder has done with Batman! During the same timeframe he has added so much depth to his mythos using so many different elements and even other characters all while making Batman more badass, this even with Batman taking L's along the journey. Instead we get....SuperSayian Storm??? Whaaa??? For the record i love Storm's character.
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3744217][I]Hi,
My Hudlin book is at my work and I only get a chance to read it on my breaks or lunch. I am up to the part where T'Challa is in a coma, and Shuri had to kick some butt. I was swamped the last couple of days so did not get to catch up further yet. I will try Liss' books next, if that is the reading order. Mostly at home, I have been reading my IM omnibus #1 that I had never read. I hope to get back to T'Challa soon.
After all these debates, I am almost scared to read the arc about this Advasary (sp) person LOL.[/I][/QUOTE]
[B]Yea after Hudlin's BP vol 5 the it goes into Doom war which is... Difficult to read. Very cringe worthy stuff happens, then Liss run is next.
Honestly the Issue is less about storm (she kinda gets dragged into it) and more about Coates just poorly treating Tchalla since he started writing BP, in ALL. The stories he had told, even Black panther and the Crew.
Storm got dragged into it when Coates made storm the driving point of the main plot in season 2, asked a legit question ( Where are the gods) didn't anseiit in the end and retconned then entire Wakandan pantheon, poorly, to give storm a power up.
Most people here were fine with Storm showing up, or even helping in the final fight, however, the Lions share and big feat should of went to Tchalla with an assist from Storm. Bit the other way around.
But by all means Read it and come to the conclusion yourself. This debate that's been going on should dissipate now
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[QUOTE=dkrook;3744322]Agreed, whats i interesting is that x-writers barely bat an eye at the work Coates is putting in on Storm, further validation that if there's no Storm book going to Coates he will have spent a year plus making an unrelated character almost as important as the main character. That represents too much wasted paper and time for people who really want a T'challa that is utilized and developed similar to what Scott Snyder has done with Batman! During the same timeframe he has added so much depth to his mythos using so many different elements and even other characters all while making Batman more badass, this even with Batman taking L's along the journey. Instead we get....SuperSayian Storm??? Whaaa??? For the record i love Storm's character.[/QUOTE]
hey drook!! have you read xmen red? their relationship has been acknowledged their.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3744326]hey drook!! have you read xmen red? their relationship has been acknowledged their.[/QUOTE]
Glanced over it, yes you are correct. That's why i said barely! LOL;)