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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3150554]Skip over what I said all I want, people in this very thread have pointed out how its not a good look for Cage. Repeatedly. So basically you have the balls to say this to me, but not the others who have said the same damn things I have and even articulated it better? I guess cause I don't participate much, but ironically this is exactly why. You're happy with "battered sitcom husband" Cage. Great. Others are not. And thankfully we're not getting that version of Cage no matter how much you WANT it to happen.
That's YOUR wishful thinking being projected here, no different than others hoping those two stay friends and have respective other partners. Funny you can't see that.
No more than it means that it does. Again, you skip over stuff that you can't rebut. By your logic Danny and Misty are endgame too. Good luck with that.[/QUOTE]
If you don't like the look for Cage, that's fine... I'm just disagreeing with the conclusion that the character is miserable. If anyone else has said they believe Cage is misable, I'll happily say the same thing to them to. I disagree. He loves his wife and his child. He's there because he wants to be there and if there's any on panel evidence to the contrary I certainly am not seeing it now (and that's taking into account some of the issues they recently had in Jessica's book which they resolved).
And no, I don't think Danny and Misty are endgame. The show doesn't show them having any interest in each other at least at this point. Perhaps that will change (though given Danny and Misty aren't together in the comics either I'm not sure it will).
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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3150538]During this specific instance, she was still married to T'Challa. He (and her by default) were bankrolling the X-men.
There is no way Storm and T'Challa should be footing the bill and listening to shitty opinions that can't stand up to scrutiny from anyone with a clue. Wolverine is seen her talking shit about Africa as a whole, and he's speaking in absolutes. How tf? All Storm can say is that Logan is wise? Africa is supposedly near and dear to her heart. And the shade of it all? The African that Wolverine is so eager to trash is THE SAME AFRICA THAT IS HOME TO WAKANDA. THE SAME WAKANDA THAT WAS CURRENTLY FOOTING THE BILL FOR ALL X-MEN ENDEAVORS. The actual nerve of Wolverine, and Ellis by default.[url]https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/1940641.html?thread=64959137[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks for keeping it real.
I wish more people were as objective as you on this subject as opposed to being selectively outraged.
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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3150539]I am so excited about this! We could possibly get so Crew references in both titles. Anything that gets Storm and Misty to hang out more is cool with me.[/QUOTE]
Anything that gets Coates fake "woke" self off the BP mythos would be most welcome.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3150565]If you don't like the look for Cage, that's fine... [/QUOTE]
See...this doesn't work with me. It amuses me that you try. But no, it doesn't. If I was alone I'd say so and whatever happens happens. But...I'm not alone. :) Again you ignore what you can't rebut.
[QUOTE]I'm just disagreeing with the conclusion that the character is miserable. If anyone else has said they believe Cage is misable, I'll happily say the same thing to them to. I disagree. [/QUOTE]
Well they have and you haven't, so...
[QUOTE]He loves his wife and his child. He's there because he wants to be there and if there's any on panel evidence to the contrary I certainly am not seeing it now (and that's taking into account some of the issues they recently had in Jessica's book which they resolved).[/QUOTE]
You can't, or won't, see it, and that's fine. What concerns me is that the actual people in charge of the show, does. Which is why personally I think your hopes and dreams of it suddenly resembling the comic are futile, but they are your hopes and dreams to have.
[QUOTE]And no, I don't think Danny and Misty are endgame. The show doesn't show them having any interest in each other at least at this point. Perhaps that will change (though given Danny and Misty aren't together in the comics either I'm not sure it will).[/QUOTE]
That's the spirit!
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3150457]Didn't that "character's journey" lead her to emasculating Luke in front of his friends about money? So you want Luke to be miserable with Jessica "cuz comics", or you want Luke with Jessica "cuz comics" but minus how TOXIC their relationship is? If its the latter, that's not "true" Luke and Jessica, now is it? If its the former that all kinds of effed up he can have struggles while having a woman that wouldn't do that to him.
Both shows are a well oiled machine with their own respective cast of characters. The "cuz comics" ship has sailed a while ago or else we'd be getting Danny and Misty (we're not).[/QUOTE]
Tbf, there was more to Jessica and Luke's relationship than that one time she emasculated Luke. Just like there was more to Peter and MJ's relationship than arguing over him being Spider-Man. Yes the couples had problems, but there was a lot to like about them.
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3150575]See...this doesn't work with me. It amuses me that you try. But no, it doesn't. If I was alone I'd say so and whatever happens happens. But...I'm not alone. :) Again you ignore what you can't rebut.
Well they have and you haven't, so...
You can't, or won't, see it, and that's fine. What concerns me is that the actual people in charge of the show, does. Which is why personally I think your hopes and dreams of it suddenly resembling the comic are futile, but they are your hopes and dreams to have.
That's the spirit![/QUOTE]
If I'm not seeing something in the actual books which indicates that Cage is miserable in his marriage feel free to point something out, because I'm not seeing it. There are clearly things YOU aren't happy about with the marraige and that's fine... but again that's not the same thing as the character Cage being unhappy with Jessica. Honestly if he was misable in his marraige and wanted out, he had the perfect opportunity to do it with their recent drama in Jessica Jones. But he chose to continue to be a family with his wife and daughter. I think there's all the reason in the world to believe he's happy... whether you and other readers are unhappy is a different matter.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3150276]Did Deadpool get dropped from Ultimate Spider-Man?
Unless I'm badly remembering, I feel like her role was basically a glorified cameo. It's a pretty faithful adaptation of Who is the Black Panther. I think they were setting up for future stories, but never did.
I hope Yona Harvey will be involved in a Storm book.[/QUOTE]
Storm was on almost every episode. If you'll check the intro, Storm was one of the few shown and named just like how the main members of the xmen were introduced on the xmen opening intro.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3150594]If I'm not seeing something in the actual books which indicates that Cage is miserable in his marriage feel free to point something out, because I'm not seeing it. There are clearly things YOU aren't happy about with the marraige and that's fine... [/QUOTE]
You are quite disingenuous and I see why people think your account has been hacked (though this behavior of yours seems typical to me). I did not start talking about this in a vacuum...did I? I agreed with others who brought it up. So enough with that lone wolf nonsense.
[QUOTE]but again that's not the same thing as the character Cage being unhappy with Jessica. Honestly if he was misable in his marraige and wanted out, he had the perfect opportunity to do it with their recent drama in Jessica Jones. But he chose to continue to be a family with his wife and daughter. I think there's all the reason in the world to believe he's happy... whether you and other readers are unhappy is a different matter.[/QUOTE]
And if you were so right we'd see this emulated more than we have in the show. This is why you keep phrasing it as a HOPE that those two are endgame. If you were on the side of angels we'd all see the seeds of it in the show whether we like it or not.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3150571]Thanks for keeping it real.
I wish more people were as objective as you on this subject as opposed to being selectively outraged.[/QUOTE]
If you couldn't tell by now, I get very defensive when it comes to Storm, and her relationship to T'Challa. Any perceived slight will not be taken lightly. Somebody is gonna hear about it. Lmao
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3150574]Anything that gets Coates fake "woke" self off the BP mythos would be most welcome.[/QUOTE]
And it's even better for me if he expanded on the things he's already done for her in the pages of BP and BP&C. I'm so excited.
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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3150599]If you couldn't tell by now, I get very defensive when it comes to Storm, and her relationship to T'Challa. Any perceived slight will not be taken lightly. Somebody is gonna hear about it. Lmao[/QUOTE]
The thing is I think its all very nuanced. A few of us (most of us? lol) have said we don't want Storm anywhere near BP but because of how the X-office both treats her and BP. I think, perhaps, that gets lost in the shuffle when we discuss this. IF they were hands off, or at least an edict from on high saying "do what you want but don't touch the relationship/clown T'challa"? Oooo they'd be a couple to rival Reed and Sue.
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3150598]You are quite disingenuous and I see why people think your account has been hacked (though this behavior of yours seems typical to me). I did not start talking about this in a vacuum...did I? I agreed with others who brought it up. So enough with that lone wolf nonsense.
And if you were so right we'd see this emulated more than we have in the show. This is why you keep phrasing it as a HOPE that those two are endgame. If you were on the side of angels we'd all see the seeds of it in the show whether we like it or not.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, if others feel that Cage is miserable in his marriage I'll happily say I believe they are wrong too. If you read the book, you see a man commited to his family and proud to do it. He's a good father and husband in what presently is probably the soundest high profile relationship at marvel. I think people saying that Cage is misable are frankly just mistaking their feelings for him being with Jessica with Cages actual feeling being with Jessica. Again, big difference.
And honestly I do think the shows are emmulating the comics in this regard... the difference being that the comics are years ahead of where the show is now. It's not like Luke and Jessica got married and had a kid 5 seconds after meeting. For most of the Alias book, Jessica was dating Scott Lang. The show is at the very beggining of their journey. And in the show, like in the comics, they do hook up but also date other people and don't really get together until much later down the line.
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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3150599]If you couldn't tell by now, I get very defensive when it comes to Storm, and her relationship to T'Challa. Any perceived slight will not be taken lightly. Somebody is gonna hear about it. Lmao
And it's even better for me if he expanded on the things he's already done for her in the pages of BP and BP&C. I'm so excited.[/QUOTE]
Coates having control of both books I do think would be a game changer for the relationship.
I've gone of record a couple times here saying I'm not sure the current Storm/T'Challa relationship will last. And I"m not saying that because I don't want it too... I'm just not sure logistially it will work out.
But Storm getting a solo book written by Coates changes the math of the equation for me. If he wants them together and he's writing BOTH their solo books, then I think editorial will give Coates priority in calling the shots of the relationship over the X books since he becomes the primary writer for both characters.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3150609]Like I said, if others feel that Cage is miserable in his marriage I'll happily say I believe they are wrong too.[/QUOTE]
So you either don't pay attention to a thread you reply to at lightning speed, or you're ignoring them. Good to know, especially for those reading this interesting discourse.
[QUOTE] If you read the book, you see a man commited to his family and proud to do it. He's a good father and husband in what presently is probably the soundest high profile relationship at marvel. I think people saying that Cage is misable are frankly just mistaking their feelings for him being with Jessica with Cages actual feeling being with Jessica. Again, big difference.
And honestly I do think the shows are emmulating the comics in this regard... the difference being that the comics are years ahead of where the show is now. It's not like Luke and Jessica got married and had a kid 5 seconds after meeting. For most of the Alias book, Jessica was dating Scott Lang. The show is at the very beggining of their journey. And in the show, like in the comics, they do hook up but also date other people and don't really get together until much later down the line.[/QUOTE]
Sooo when I said "And if you were so right we'd see this emulated more than we have in the show. This is why you keep phrasing it as a HOPE that those two are endgame. If you were on the side of angels we'd all see the seeds of it in the show whether we like it or not." We just not gonna touch that, huh? We just gonna strawman and filibuster, huh?
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3150604]The thing is I think its all very nuanced. A few of us (most of us? lol) have said we don't want Storm anywhere near BP but because of how the X-office both treats her and BP. I think, perhaps, that gets lost in the shuffle when we discuss this. IF they were hands off, or at least an edict from on high saying "do what you want but don't touch the relationship/clown T'challa"? Oooo they'd be a couple to rival Reed and Sue.[/QUOTE]
NATE ikr?! Ugh... you just don't know how excited I am for the future of their relationship. 2017 has been an absolute treat for me. I got so many things I've been asking for from them as couple, just this year alone. They reconciled in a very believable and respectable manner, their relationship was started back up with them showing an undying love for one another, I FINALLY got a story where T'Challa uses his brain and wisely uses Storm as his game-changing, dues ex machina (better known as his Trump card) Hadari Yao, anyone? So when I think about their potential as couple and what that means of the MU as a whole? All I have to say is: Dwayne McDuffie. *drops mic*
[QUOTE=XPac;3150616]Coates having control of both books I do think would be a game changer for the relationship.
I've gone of record a couple times here saying I'm not sure the current Storm/T'Challa relationship will last. And I"m not saying that because I don't want it too... I'm just not sure logistially it will work out.
But Storm getting a solo book written by Coates changes the math of the equation for me. If he wants them together and he's writing BOTH their solo books, then I think editorial will give Coates priority in calling the shots of the relationship over the X books since he becomes the primary writer for both characters.[/QUOTE]
Can you imagine? Coates would quite literally have a monopoly on their relationship. Hudlin should have been given the reigns to a Storm title to ensure that her character development in BP could not have been ignored during his run.
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3150618]So you either don't pay attention to a thread you reply to at lightning speed, or you're ignoring them. Good to know, especially for those reading this interesting discourse.
Sooo when I said "And if you were so right we'd see this emulated more than we have in the show. This is why you keep phrasing it as a HOPE that those two are endgame. If you were on the side of angels we'd all see the seeds of it in the show whether we like it or not." We just not gonna touch that, huh? We just gonna strawman and filibuster, huh?[/QUOTE]
If I had seen someone else say Cage was miserable, I'd have disagreed with that too. Because it's clearly not true. Anyone actually reading the books can clearly see Cage loves his wife and child.
And like I said, I do believe the show is emuating the books... but we'll have to wait and see how it turns out I suppose.