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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;3480566][URL="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel2017b.htm"]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel2017b.htm[/URL]
Black Panther's box office as of yesterday
It has beaten Justice League.[/QUOTE]
I love this song!
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3480588]As far as canon goes, this can be said for practically every single MCU movie that's been released to date.
Killmonger isn't related to T'Challa or of royal blood in the comics but looking and behold he's hollering "Hey Aunty" at Queen Mother Ramonda in the movies.
The changes to Shuri as regards her being a super genius moreso than her brother in the movie didn't sit too well with me but when one takes into consideration how much Coates has dumbed T'Challa down in the comics it was more or less inevitable that this nerfing would extend over into the movie methinks.[/QUOTE]
In this context do you find it troubling that Coogler and Coates seem to be working even closer and collaborating even more. I have to admit, even though i love Panther in his movie there are concerns about him not being shown dominant as he should be.
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Box office: Don't freeze!
Black Panther: I never freeze!
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3480588]As far as canon goes, this can be said for practically every single MCU movie that's been released to date.
Killmonger isn't related to T'Challa or of royal blood in the comics but looking and behold he's hollering "Hey Aunty" at Queen Mother Ramonda in the movies.
The changes to Shuri as regards her being a super genius moreso than her brother in the movie didn't sit too well with me but when one takes into consideration how much Coates has dumbed T'Challa down in the comics it was more or less inevitable that this nerfing would extend over into the movie methinks.[/QUOTE]
...yeah, I know. That was my point.
You were lauding Hudlin, however (a comic writer per the subject) for his creation of Shuri, as if he had magically foreseen the movie script and Shuri's place in it when he created her.
Call me naive, but I do not believe that Hudlin cam see the future
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[QUOTE=Jabare;3480636]Box office: Don't freeze!
Black Panther: I never freeze![/QUOTE]
Damn it man, don't jinx it! Remember how that ended!
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3480565][B] Your forgetting the fact that Hudlin's run started as an out of canon story. And was turned canon. It made alot of sense that a royal family would have a couple heirs, and Shuri did about as much as hunter. Difference also being that hunters origin before T'Challa came doesn't make much Sense. Cannibals plotline wasn't pointless because it exposed the skrulls. I think there is another too much criticism on Hudlin and not on Priest. But this is pointless overall because without these two the BP movie wouldn't be possible[/B][/QUOTE]
I was going to respond to Thatguys post but you've saved me the effort.
Folks stay acting like they don't know about the initial out of continuity nature of Hudlin's Who Is The Black Panther series and then wonder why they stay getting hemmed up by past tense me and everyone else keeping up with the proceedings.
Priest's introduction of Hunter aka White Wolf into the BP mythos was hilarious as frak with T'Chaka and his Queen playing adoptive parents to Hunters Tarzan and twice as dumb all the more for its randomness.
Shuri on the other hand, was an organic aspect of Hudlin's out of continuity series that grew in popularity over a period of time leading on from said series being woven into mainstream continuity and now as portrayed in the movie.
But like Ezyo1000 has stated so astutely, without Priest and Hudlin, we wouldn't have had a character viable enough to have serve as a solid foundation for this blockbuster movie that's killing it on a global scale. :cool:
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3480655]...yeah, I know. That was my point.
You were lauding Hudlin, however (a comic writer per the subject) for his creation of Shuri, as if he had magically foreseen the movie script and Shuri's place in it when he created her.
Call me naive, but I do not believe that Hudlin cam see the future[/QUOTE]
Reginald Hudlin created a character who would appeal to his young daughter in the comics.
Said character is now appealing to women and men in the BP movie because Reginald Hudlin actually wrote a Black Panther that he felt others would be enthused by as opposed to writing T'Challa to be some kids Spidey.
Hudlin had vision.
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Idk how we can understand that despite who created him (Lee & Kirby), T'Challa was "made" by the writers who came after...
Then say that Hudlin had so much vision, despite the fact that this isn't his Shuri. At all. Respect him for creating the character, but this isn't his award to accept.
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[QUOTE=SKJoker;3480691]Idk how we can understand that despite who created him (Lee & Kirby), T'Challa was "made" by the writers who came after...
Then say that Hudlin had so much vision, despite the fact that this isn't his Shuri. At all. Respect him for creating the character, but this isn't his award to accept.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't aware there were any awards up for grabbing.
When MajestiK cuts loose now people go begin dey talk say I dey too sarcastic.
Ah beg lef me hand make I commot from this yeye talk before Internet wahala start. :cool:
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3480580]Hudlin had some 30 issues to at least try to sooth Shuri into canon, and/or find a role for her. And she wasn't half as active as Hunter (though Hunter has the edge there, being semi villainous)
In what way does Hunter not make sense, btw?[/QUOTE]
[B] Outsider is raised and positioned to be King had Tchalla bot been Born. Priest did a twist but it's essentially Tarzan like. There wasn't need to get her into canon because it was already done in a explained way.[/B]
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[QUOTE=dkrook;3480633]In this context do you find it troubling that Coogler and Coates seem to be working even closer and collaborating even more. I have to admit, even though i love Panther in his movie there are concerns about him not being shown dominant as he should be.[/QUOTE]
If Coogler falls under the Koatesmonger spell and allows any of that rubbish to impact on his plans for BP 2 he'll only have himself to blame when that movie fails at the box office.
Ain't none of the viewers watching T'Challa now looking to see milquetoast BP in the future. Lol!
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[QUOTE=SKJoker;3480691]Idk how we can understand that despite who created him (Lee & Kirby), T'Challa was "made" by the writers who came after...
Then say that Hudlin had so much vision, despite the fact that this isn't his Shuri. At all. Respect him for creating the character, but this isn't his award to accept.[/QUOTE]
[B]Who said anything about rewards? Yes Tchalla was created by Lee and Kirby but he wasn't fleshed out until McGregor, and then after that it wasn't until Priest updated him to the 21st century and made him a true badass, followed by Hudlin Making Wakanda further badass and making Tchalla mainstream. So Yeah they "Made" him into who he is. Batman had the same thing happen to him, same with DD, supes etc. All Characters have a definitive run/runs that Make them who they are today.
And yeah Hudlin had vision. He made BP mainstream and got more people to take him seriously. Priest had vision to establish a strong foundation of how awesome T'Challa Really is. They don't have to be exact copies of the OG debut for writer's to get credit on their Characters. Funny because again All we have been saying about Hudlin is that he deserves more respect then he had been given lately and he definitely deserves more then Coates IS getting currently [/B]
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3480714]If Coogler falls under the Koatesmonger spell and allows any of that rubbish to impact on his plans for BP 2 he'll only have himself to blame when that movie fails at the box office.
Ain't none of the viewers watching T'Challa now looking to see milquetoast BP in the future. Lol![/QUOTE]
[B]I will say that Coogler did a good job giving Shuri a role without completely giving T'Challas genius away. He made it clear that there was a playful rivalry between them. With Shuri saying she will teach Tchalla something and Tchalla responding in a what do you think you can teach me. Both are geniuses the fact that Tchalla designed his habit confirms it. Like he said in an interview though, Tchalla doesn't have time to tinker so he let's Shuri do it[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3480736][B]I will say that Coogler did a good job giving Shuri a role without completely giving T'Challas genius away. He made it clear that there was a playful rivalry between them. With Shuri saying she will teach Tchalla something and Tchalla responding in a what do you think you can teach me. Both are geniuses the fact that Tchalla designed his habit confirms it. Like he said in an interview though, Tchalla doesn't have time to tinker so he let's Shuri do it[/B][/QUOTE]
I think there is an opportunity Marvel should take with the success of the movie. A BP comic that takes place between the prequel comic and the movie. You can showcase genius, strategy, and whatever else people feel is missing. Shuri would have been six at that time. Show Tchalla as one of her teachers when he is not on mission.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3480713][B] Outsider is raised and positioned to be King had Tchalla bot been Born. Priest did a twist but it's essentially Tarzan like. There wasn't need to get her into canon because it was already done in a explained way.[/B][/QUOTE]
I don't recall any indication under Priest that Hunter would have been king if not for T'Challa. Like Loki in Thor, it would be implicitly understood that his heritage would disqualify him from the throne. The same way, in the 30 years ahead story, T'Challa was forced to distance himself from his daughter by Malice.
Hunter's issue was that he wanted to serve Wakanda under T'Challa like he had under T'Chaka, and T'Challa wouldn't allow that