[QUOTE=N'Jadaka;3683174]Killmonger is coming back alive.[/QUOTE]
they probably should have used his son.
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[QUOTE=N'Jadaka;3683174]Killmonger is coming back alive.[/QUOTE]
they probably should have used his son.
[QUOTE=Abe;3683276]Of course Jack and Stan used parts of the templates they polished with Doom and Latveria when they designed the hidden Wakanda and his genius scientist king who suffered the loss of his father. It's no secret. It doesn't cancel all the differences and that Doom is a villain and T'challa a hero. Both complex since their FF run btw.
So no disrespect to the Panther and Wakanda in saying - I have the post from the Doom thread you quoted in mind - that Doom was portrayed as a builder even before Wakanda appeared in comics.[/QUOTE]
fair enough. I think that the most noticeable differences are that 1) Wakanda is as it is from historically fighting off invaders and 2) it's not just the monarchy of wakanda that is technologically advanced. Latveria's people seem a bit untouched by progress. but that's from my limited exposure to them. their society falls apart whenever Doom leaves; seemingly by design. Wakanda doesn't, technically, need T'challa.
Thankfully Ryan Coogler opinion is the only one that matters and he's great friends with MBJ. If he wants him back he will be back. Most people loves him more then T'challa anyway.
[QUOTE=Danileriver23;3683257]I think th biggest factor would be that Wakanda changed its ways. I'm not going to dismiss everything you said, you're not necessarily wrong, but he would see that T'challa saw the error of his ways and that wakanda was more open to helping the world. Even if he still wanted to fight for the throne, I imagine he'd have some opinion on how Wakanda changed after his demise.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he would say they should be arming the oppressed to rise up against the oppressors.
He didn't want to help, he wanted to conquer. He wanted an empire with him on the throne.
Re-using villains is hard. You have to come up with a new motivation. And you also have to make it hard on the hero to not simply kill him again.
We've already seen T'challa can kill the dude with a clear head. So, do we really need to see them fight again?
They made Loki interesting by giving him an army, upgraded his weapon, and then making him an ally-ish for 2 more movies. I don't think this iteration of killmonger is that nuanced to keep him interesting movie after movie.
Just finished #1. Def some of the best action art in coates run which I felt was lacking. Still had the "coates dialogue" which I enjoy alot but admittedly it's way better when solid action is balanced with it. It felt a bit predictable but it is the first issue so hopefully i'm wrong. You can see him getting better at this literally every issue which is fun to me as well.
[QUOTE=Danileriver23;3682955]What would you guys think of a Wakandan Netflix min series? I get all of the other ones were in New York, but I wouldn't mind a show about the dora milaje weeding out some Wakanda crime or maybe have a community outreach scenario go wrong in Oakland in the new wakandan emabasy.[/QUOTE]
Nah the TV shows really arent that good to me. I wouldnt want a corny wakanda money grab. If it was HBO level of production sure but that's doubtful looking at how marvel has went about it thus far.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3682369]
Issue was obviously carried by the art and my goodness... i forgot what A list talent was like. Hit's had weight. T'challa looked enhanced. [/QUOTE]
Acuna's art always impressed me in Sam Wilson's book. This felt a bit different, but it was still quite good.
My thoughts:
This story starts in media res and is very disorienting. As the story went long, we saw familiar names - Taku, N'Jadaka, Nakia, M'Baku. Everything is confused, as is our protagonist. And I chose the word that way because it's not clear if it is our T'Challa. That being said, the flashbacks to what appears to be Storm makes me think it is. That being said, I strongly suspect this takes place in the future. Either way, a lot of interesting mystery and some good action for a solid issue #1.
[QUOTE=Cville;3682797]Montez posted a picture that leads to a question.I
[Spoil]M'baku, Nakia, and Tchalla have names that are considered "handles". These are not their real names? If it wasn't for the Storm dreams, I wouldn't think it was 616 Tchalla.[/spoil][/QUOTE]
The back of the book explicitly identifies this as an answer that has not yet been revealed.
Could be a present day spaceship passes through an anomaly that takes the ship back through time and too far away to attempt to get home. Would account for having names that are legendary.
Stargate Universe has an episode similar to that.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3683512]Yeah, he would say they should be arming the oppressed to rise up against the oppressors.
He didn't want to help, he wanted to conquer. He wanted an empire with him on the throne.
[B]Re-using villains is hard. You have to come up with a new motivation. And you also have to make it hard on the hero to not simply kill him again. [/B]
We've already seen T'challa can kill the dude with a clear head. So, do we really need to see them fight again?
They made Loki interesting by giving him an army, upgraded his weapon, and then making him an ally-ish for 2 more movies. I don't think this iteration of killmonger is that nuanced to keep him interesting movie after movie.[/QUOTE]
We haven't seen Mephisto in a movie yet have we? And since he at that fruit-whose to say it can't bring him back because he was killed by another who ate the fruit.
We have seen a few tribes of Wakanda. Whose to say his girl in fridge girlfriend wasn't a member of another tribe that we haven't seen? Who might have the power of Resurrection.
And let not forget Thanos's Adams Family snap who could bring folks back.
[QUOTE=Abe;3683321]Well... I would suggest having a look to the review of FF #53 in the special 58th issue of the Jack Kirby Collector : the essay by Mark Alexander "Lee & Kirby : the Wonder Years" which points other similarities with FF Annual #2.
Maybe not that much a bad Doom fabric or a delusional nonsense.
And once more if you read the original post summarized in a simple "Latveria emulating Wakanda" and just look at the dates there is no scandal.
The differences between the two creations still stand still. No offense at all.
(Sorry for derailing the thread a bit btw. There's a new BP #1 to discuss here today. ;))[/QUOTE]
Thanks. The essay was a good read into the business side of things.
[QUOTE=Cville;3683743]Could be a present day spaceship passes through an anomaly that takes the ship back through time and too far away to attempt to get home. Would account for having names that are legendary.
Stargate Universe has an episode similar to that.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that quite works. The back page specifically asks why an empire spanning five galaxies that recently fought the Shi'ar is unknown. Combined with those historical figures being present day figures makes me think this is the future.
Also, if there's time travel, it could explain how he can be in the Avengers - if T'Challa leaves and comes back at the same point in time.
[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3683829]I don't think that quite works. The back page specifically asks why an empire spanning five galaxies that recently fought the Shi'ar is unknown. Combined with those historical figures being present day figures makes me think this is the future.
Also, if there's time travel, it could explain how he can be in the Avengers - if T'Challa leaves and comes back at the same point in time.[/QUOTE]
I mean the original colonist travel back 2000 years. So Tchalla, M'baku, and Nakia are names they already know and become legendary as they tell stories to future generations. The recent war with the Shi'ar, could be how Tchalla finds out as they talk with Captain Marvel. Originally Aaron said this takes place in the present.
[QUOTE=Dboi654;3682326]Apparently Donald Glover is rumoured to have a role in BP2 and Killmonger might return.
[url]http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/05/23/black-panther-2-michael-b-jordan-donald-glover/[/url][/QUOTE]
Coogler isn't doing Black Panther 2 without the chance to get his boy front and center yet again.
[QUOTE=blacksonic;3683461]Thankfully Ryan Coogler opinion is the only one that matters and he's great friends with MBJ. If he wants him back he will be back. Most people loves him more then T'challa anyway.[/QUOTE]
Its hillarious when ppl think the writer/actor/director are bigger than the movie.
Marvel pays Coogler not the other way around.
Black Panther 2...and one....were gonna happen with or without "insert director/actor/writer"
[QUOTE=Ekie;3683871]Its hillarious when ppl think the writer/actor/director are bigger than the movie.
Marvel pays Coogler not the other way around.
Black Panther 2...and one....were gonna happen with or without "insert director/actor/writer"[/QUOTE]
It would be a bomb too. You can't insert anyone and get a great film with heart.