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[QUOTE=Cville;3715927]It would make sense if the comic was called Black Panther and Storm. For endings, the title character should throw the last punch if he is part of the story.
Even Naruto got to throw the last punch in the Shippuden arc he wasn't a main character in. Lol
But you would admit if Tchalla worked out a plan to make a box happen, it would work?[/QUOTE]
Depends on what the plan was to get adversary in the box.
Though in theory I like his odds, given the bad guys always lose in the end one way or another.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3715898]@BKiss
All these scans tell me that he is as capable of beating her as she is him. Which is just about every hero vs villian in comics.
The point of BoGs scan is that if Tchalla guessed who the enemy was as suggested, he could have just built a vibranium box and dropped it on him when he showed himself.
He might be the one person who's Shuris vibranium gauntlets work on. Lol[/QUOTE]
how could tchalla beat adversary? you mentioned put him in a box but he would just teleport out of it. a box wouldn't have worked.
[QUOTE=Cville;3715900]But a writer could just as easily say he could with Tiger God power.[/QUOTE]
not in a way that they did with the ultimates story.
[QUOTE=XPac;3715909]The thing is Logos should be leagues above the Tiger God too. Logos beat the Tribunal, who should be the most powerful being in the MU short of the One Above All.
I think the Tiger God beating Logos had to be due to the unique circumstances. The whole thing with fighting being a metaphor or whatever.[/QUOTE]
exactly.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3715911][B]I dunno, Tchalla beat Mephisto and outsmarted him. So I think he could find a way to defeat adversary. Plus Tchalla could possibly defeat adversary with the tiger gods power. It's just Coates didn't want to try that. He wanted to retcon the patheon all for Storm. Also your saying there is no evidence that the tiger god could beat adversary, yet there is evidence that adversary has been defeated by far less then what Coates had Tchalla do.... Soo.... Again Tchalla could of been shown to best him without needing this seasons main plot being focused on Storm and having her be the Savior of his Mythos[/B][/QUOTE]
how did tchalla beat mephisto? and I explained already logos and how it was defeated was due fo the environment in which they fought, and due to tchalla being its avatar the metaphorical rules there allowed him to win. those rules dont apply on earth.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3715952]Clearly Wakandan sorcerers aren't useless because they used them too.
The point being T'Calla used what resources were available (which at the time includes Storm now that they are dating) to get the job.
And I'll repeat, it also had the added bonus of helping to repair any rifts between Storm and Wakanda, given he's dating her again. So all in all, I think this was the best possible outcome for the character.[/QUOTE]
thank you. there is no way tchalla could have defeated a character like adversary on his own. maybe coates could have used a different villain to cater more to his powerset but that wasnt the case. and as you pointed out logos is far powerful than the tiger god. the conditions and the environment allowed for him to win.
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If by "character" you mean Storm, I agree. She comes out of the story smelling like a rose.
The best outcome for T'Challa? Nah... Showing the ability to protect Wakanda without the help of outsiders would be better….
(Seriously. Has T'Challa defeated ANY of his major opponents in this run without help?)
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3715923]But it "makes sense" that he'd call on her. After all, Wakandan science is useless, as are Wakandan sorcerers. The only thing that could POSSIBLY work is dropping to one's knees and praying to an outsider. T'Challa can't do anything without the help of others.
It's a really good thing that she deigned to go out with him again, especially with Logan coming back to life soon.[/QUOTE]
[B]Funny how that's the case when in other BP stories, Tchalla was able to handle his business without calling in the help of several outsiders.. but I guess this is the new status quo, needing the help of outside franchise Characters as brains (Tchalla has this) transportation ( Tchalla has this) and the one to defeat the main villain (T'Challa has faced stronger foes) but this works too :cool:[/B]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3715971]thank you. there is no way tchalla could have defeated a character like adversary on his own. maybe coates could have used a different villain to cater more to his powerset but that wasnt the case. and as you pointed out logos is far powerful than the tiger god. the conditions and the environment allowed for him to win.[/QUOTE]
It's a pity he didn't have Boom-Boom & Doctor Nemesis on speed-dial. They defeated the Adversary quite easily. Didn't require anyone to worship them, either (although, knowing Nemesis, he'd probably get off on that. :) )
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3715970]If by "character" you mean Storm, I agree. She comes out of the story smelling like a rose.
The best outcome for T'Challa? Nah... Showing the ability to protect Wakanda without the help of outsiders would be better….
(Seriously. Has T'Challa defeated ANY of his major opponents in this run without help?)[/QUOTE]
To T'Challa, I think he did protect Wakanda without help from outsiders, because to T'Challa Storm isn't an outside.
I think part of the reason he handled thing the way he did was to prove that to Storm and Wakanda.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3715970]If by "character" you mean Storm, I agree. She comes out of the story smelling like a rose.
The best outcome for T'Challa? Nah... Showing the ability to protect Wakanda without the help of outsiders would be better….
(Seriously. Has T'Challa defeated ANY of his major opponents in this run without help?)[/QUOTE]
because she beat adversary she comes out smelling like a rose? tchalla defeated klaw and he single handedly strategized a plan to deal with the threat plaguing wakanda all while averting a civil war between wakanda and his citizens. I think he deserves more credit than you are giving.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3715975]It's a pity he didn't have Boom-Boom & Doctor Nemesis on speed-dial. They defeated the Adversary quite easily. Didn't require anyone to worship them, either (although, knowing Nemesis, he'd probably get off on that. :) )[/QUOTE]
and how was he defeated in that story? I didnt read it?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3715962]how could tchalla beat adversary? you mentioned put him in a box but he would just teleport out of it. a box wouldn't have worked.[/QUOTE]
Read the scan I posted again. The one where it's stated ON PANEL without equivocation or inference, that the oh-so-cosmic Adversary cannot affect iron.
In fact, I'll make it easy on you:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/9JV5pfa.png[/img]
Of course, it's only Forge saying it... obviously he doesn't know ANYTHING about the character…
[quote]how did tchalla beat mephisto? and I explained already logos and how it was defeated was due fo the environment in which they fought, and due to tchalla being its avatar the metaphorical rules there allowed him to win. those rules dont apply on earth.[/QUOTE]
By using intelligence, proper preparation, and Wakandan science. Perhaps he should have just prayed to that girl he met when he was younger, instead....
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3715962]how could tchalla beat adversary? you mentioned put him in a box but he would just teleport out of it. a box wouldn't have worked.
not in a way that they did with the ultimates story.
exactly.
how did tchalla beat mephisto? and I explained already logos and how it was defeated was due fo the environment in which they fought, and due to tchalla being its avatar the metaphorical rules there allowed him to win. those rules dont apply on earth.[/QUOTE]
[B]He bear Mephisto with Wakandan technology and prep to shackle him first to be able to physically Deck him in the face and rip his heart out, then he tricks Mephisto and allows him into the anscestrial realm of Bps and overloaded Mephisto with the souls of previous BPs, he had Mephisto begging him to stop.. this was all with his own resources and no outside heroes help. Plus Tchallas whole Mo is defeating people outside his weight class. He has defeated cosmic beings on multiple occasions.
And he took the tiger gods power and claimed it as his own. I'm pretty sure he could then use that power to fight adversary and win. Also your forgetting the scan BoG posted where adversary was DEFEATED and locked in a Cold steel box... So tell me again how could he just easily teleport out when that clearly held him before and he couldn't escape? Or are we going to just keep ignoring what happened in the past and just regulate it to this was the only way T'Challa could win?[/B]
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3715970]If by "character" you mean Storm, I agree. She comes out of the story smelling like a rose.
The best outcome for T'Challa? Nah... Showing the ability to protect Wakanda without the help of outsiders would be better….
(Seriously. Has T'Challa defeated ANY of his major opponents in this run without help?)[/QUOTE]
[B]Nope. There hasn't been a single villain in the entirety of Coates series that T'Challa has beat on his own.. main or side boss.. none...[/B]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3715980]and how was he defeated in that story? I didnt read it?[/QUOTE]
The Adversary tried to possess Nemesis (who, I remind you, has no psychic powers whatsoever). Nemesis trapped him within his own mind by sheer willpower.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/S3QukAE.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/7F09DPS.jpg[/img]
This is the exact same story I just posted a scan from.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3715978]To T'Challa, I think he did protect Wakanda without help from outsiders, because to T'Challa Storm isn't an outside.
I think part of the reason he handled thing the way he did was to prove that to Storm and Wakanda.[/QUOTE]
[B]Can you point me to the issue and scans where Storm, Thunderball, And Eden received their Wakandan citizenship please? Because they're all outsiders[/B]
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3715956]You've literally articulated one of the primary reasons why I've chosen not to engage in debating or discussing wholesale hijack of the BP Mythos and subversion of same to use as a vehicle to push an X-friendly agenda through T'Challa's solo book much to the detriment of the titular character and his homeland.
Debating this subject with individuals who are not overly familiar with the BP Mythos is pointless especially when every post they drop, exposes thinly veiled disdain for.the BP mythos disguised as "genuinely framed critique or observation.
Coates will not write this book forever so it goes without saying that there's really no need to shed tears over his maliciously patented milquetoast take on T'Challa's in particular and Wakanda in general.
This too will pass.[/QUOTE]
[I]hopefully it will pass soon; very confusing for someone new to following the thread.[/I]