I would love to see your take on the Crew.
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I would love to see your take on the Crew.
[QUOTE=Redjack;3199187]
Contrary to how it seems, I don't want to set myself up in a battle situation with the fans or with other writers. These days I would prefer to write THE CREW or TALES OF WAKANDA if I had any choice.[/QUOTE]
Is it possible to pitch that?
We got Midnight Angels, Shuri, Vibrarus, the kid in Ms Marvel that is Panther's cousin and even Man Ape-is it possible to do something with them without inferring with the Coates books?
One shot or 3 parter.
[QUOTE=Redjack;3199187]Sometimes the direction of a comic or series is so far away from anything I would write that there's no point in trying to take the gig even if it was offered. The version of Black Panther I would want to write no longer exists in the comics. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy reading it (I do) but, no, there's nothing about the current comic that inspires me to write stories. Anything I would write coming after that would piss off too many of the fans because MY version would be too much of a new thing at that point. No one would stand for it. It would be seen as a comment on whatever came before (it wouldn't be that but people would see it that way). Why make a fight when there's no reason for one?
Contrary to how it seems, I don't want to set myself up in a battle situation with the fans or with other writers. These days I would prefer to write [B]THE CREW[/B] or TALES OF WAKANDA if I had any choice.[/QUOTE]
Would you bring back any of the original members? For reasons we aren't privy to it seems like the Bradley's are off the table right now but I wouldn't mind see Kasper and Junta reintegrated into the group.
[url]https://www.cbr.com/strongest-and-weakest-avengers-infinity-war/[/url]
[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3199249]Would you bring back any of the original members? For reasons we aren't privy to it seems like the Bradley's are off the table right now but I wouldn't mind see Kasper and Junta reintegrated into the group.[/QUOTE]
I think THE CREW without Kasper is not the Crew, but it needs to have its own identity, away from Black Panther. Each book, IMO, needs to have its own unique reason to exist or why bother?
[QUOTE=MadFacedKid;3199270][url]https://www.cbr.com/strongest-and-weakest-avengers-infinity-war/[/url]
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Cool that BP got his props. And I'm certain the actual movie will reflect that.
I do think Steve may end up surprising the author of that article though ... but at least on paper his assessment is fair.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3198506]Both characters exist within a much vaunted "shared universe" so the whole idea that their being married constitutes as some insurmountable problem doesn't really hold up under scrutiny.
And additionally, their being characters from two different books, doesn't negate the fact that where Priest, Hudlin and McDuffie were able to portray the relationship/marriage realistically whilst growing Ororo as a character who finally (with T'Challa's help) reconnected with her paternal family as well as expand into the wider MU as a member of the FF, the X-Office, their writers and a coterie of regressive readership were more interested in trashing T'Challa, Wakanda, the BP mythos and even Ororo who was seen as being "too black" by association to T'Challa and thusly, no longer the exotic fetishism femme of indeterminate ethnic identity they were primarily enamoured of.
As Queen of Wakanda, Ororo had access to incredible wealth, technological advancements coupled with political clout that could have been of great use to the X-men in particular and the mutant cause in general.
Additionally, her marriage to T'Challa also served as a brilliant bridge from which to traverse the gap between humans and mutants as envisaged within Professor Charles Xaviers dream but I suppose in hindsight, that this wouldn't have played to the X-Offices narrow vision that prefers to have the X-men and mutants in never ending conflict with the rest of the MU.
One should never forget that we're for the most part, talking about fictional characters existing within a fantasy based realm unfortunately written by some individuals who impose their real world biases and prejudices into said fictional world's which in term stifles creativity across the board.
Ororo is no less of a mutant now than she was back when Christopher J Priest, Reginald Hudlin and Dwayne McDuffie featured her in their respective BP and FF runs than she is now, in Coates BP book.
The primary problem Priest, Hudlin and McDuffie had as writers is that they had the "audacity" to characterise and depict Ororo as a fully fleshed out woman of unambiguous African descent first and foremost as opposed to just focusing on the same mutation that didn't prevent any of her fellow X-men from being recognised as Irish, Canadian, German or Jewish.
That was the sticking point and primary problem for many of the marriage detractors as evidenced by the wholly false narrative of "Hudlin only married them because they're black" that was pushed by the aforementioned detractors ad nauseum.
I've never subscribed to the conceit of personal ethnicity taking a backseat to the individuals actual ethnicity but that's just me.
Peace.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Majesty;3199328][img]https://media.giphy.com/media/NnGGHE0muVqpO/giphy.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Thanks Majesty. :)
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3198506]Both characters exist within a much vaunted "shared universe" so the whole idea that their being married constitutes as some insurmountable problem doesn't really hold up under scrutiny.
And additionally, their being characters from two different books, doesn't negate the fact that where Priest, Hudlin and McDuffie were able to portray the relationship/marriage realistically whilst growing Ororo as a character who finally (with T'Challa's help) reconnected with her paternal family as well as expand into the wider MU as a member of the FF, the X-Office, their writers and a coterie of regressive readership were more interested in trashing T'Challa, Wakanda, the BP mythos and even Ororo who was seen as being "too black" by association to T'Challa and thusly, no longer the exotic fetishism femme of indeterminate ethnic identity they were primarily enamoured of.
As Queen of Wakanda, Ororo had access to incredible wealth, technological advancements coupled with political clout that could have been of great use to the X-men in particular and the mutant cause in general.
Additionally, her marriage to T'Challa also served as a brilliant bridge from which to traverse the gap between humans and mutants as envisaged within Professor Charles Xaviers dream but I suppose in hindsight, that this wouldn't have played to the X-Offices narrow vision that prefers to have the X-men and mutants in never ending conflict with the rest of the MU.
One should never forget that we're for the most part, talking about fictional characters existing within a fantasy based realm unfortunately written by some individuals who impose their real world biases and prejudices into said fictional world's which in term stifles creativity across the board.
Ororo is no less of a mutant now than she was back when Christopher J Priest, Reginald Hudlin and Dwayne McDuffie featured her in their respective BP and FF runs than she is now, in Coates BP book.
The primary problem Priest, Hudlin and McDuffie had as writers is that they had the "audacity" to characterise and depict Ororo as a fully fleshed out woman of unambiguous African descent first and foremost as opposed to just focusing on the same mutation that didn't prevent any of her fellow X-men from being recognised as Irish, Canadian, German or Jewish.
That was the sticking point and primary problem for many of the marriage detractors as evidenced by the wholly false narrative of "Hudlin only married them because they're black" that was pushed by the aforementioned detractors ad nauseum.
I've never subscribed to the conceit of personal ethnicity taking a backseat to the individuals actual mutation but that's just me.
Peace.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]It's as simple as that BCB.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3198506]Both characters exist within a much vaunted "shared universe" so the whole idea that their being married constitutes as some insurmountable problem doesn't really hold up under scrutiny.
And additionally, their being characters from two different books, doesn't negate the fact that where Priest, Hudlin and McDuffie were able to portray the relationship/marriage realistically whilst growing Ororo as a character who finally (with T'Challa's help) reconnected with her paternal family as well as expand into the wider MU as a member of the FF, the X-Office, their writers and a coterie of regressive readership were more interested in trashing T'Challa, Wakanda, the BP mythos and even Ororo who was seen as being "too black" by association to T'Challa and thusly, no longer the exotic fetishism femme of indeterminate ethnic identity they were primarily enamoured of.
As Queen of Wakanda, Ororo had access to incredible wealth, technological advancements coupled with political clout that could have been of great use to the X-men in particular and the mutant cause in general.
Additionally, her marriage to T'Challa also served as a brilliant bridge from which to traverse the gap between humans and mutants as envisaged within Professor Charles Xaviers dream but I suppose in hindsight, that this wouldn't have played to the X-Offices narrow vision that prefers to have the X-men and mutants in never ending conflict with the rest of the MU.
One should never forget that we're for the most part, talking about fictional characters existing within a fantasy based realm unfortunately written by some individuals who impose their real world biases and prejudices into said fictional world's which in term stifles creativity across the board.
Ororo is no less of a mutant now than she was back when Christopher J Priest, Reginald Hudlin and Dwayne McDuffie featured her in their respective BP and FF runs than she is now, in Coates BP book.
The primary problem Priest, Hudlin and McDuffie had as writers is that they had the "audacity" to characterise and depict Ororo as a fully fleshed out woman of unambiguous African descent first and foremost as opposed to just focusing on the same mutation that didn't prevent any of her fellow X-men from being recognised as Irish, Canadian, German or Jewish.
That was the sticking point and primary problem for many of the marriage detractors as evidenced by the wholly false narrative of "Hudlin only married them because they're black" that was pushed by the aforementioned detractors ad nauseum.
I've never subscribed to the conceit of personal ethnicity taking a backseat to the individuals actual mutation but that's just me.
Peace.[/QUOTE]
Valid points. We're allowed to differ.
I think Storm needs time on her own to build her own Storm-verse with her own everything in it. I would not pair her with anyone and definitely not BP if I were writing that book. I would let her "date" until I found someone- NOT BP– or created someone worthy. She would be herself before she would be someone's wife.
For BP it's the reverse. He's a classic super-hero in every way except he has no rogues worth discussing and, because people are so damned precious with Black characters, he doesn't get have a counterpart that comes out of his own story.
Yes, technically the Marvel Universe is a big shared party but, in real reality, the X has a lot of baggage on the writing side. If a BP & Storm story arc came into conflict with or contradicted an X arc that included Storm, the X arc would win. As a writer, I don't like going into any situation with creative handcuffs on.
[QUOTE=Redjack;3199284]I think THE CREW without Kasper is not the Crew, but it needs to have its own identity, away from Black Panther. Each book, IMO, needs to have its own unique reason to exist or why bother?[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Yup. This other version did not have the feel of the original crew. And Kasper is a must.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Redjack;3199377]Valid points. We're allowed to differ.
I think Storm needs time on her own to build her own Storm-verse with her own everything in it. I would not pair her with anyone and definitely not BP if I were writing that book. I would let her "date" until I found someone- NOT BP– or created someone worthy. She would be herself before she would be someone's wife.
For BP it's the reverse. He's a classic super-hero in every way except he has no rogues worth discussing and, because people are so damned precious with Black characters, he doesn't get have a counterpart that comes out of his own story.
Yes, technically the Marvel Universe is a big shared party but, in real reality, the X has a lot of baggage on the writing side. If a BP & Storm story arc came into conflict with or contradicted an X arc that included Storm, the X arc would win. As a writer, I don't like going into any situation with creative handcuffs on.[/QUOTE]
I totally respect and understand where you're coming from on this sir but here's the thing.
The only folks being "precious" with black characters are Marvel editorial, rogue creative teams and some writers who either don't understand the intellectual properties they've been commissioned to write let alone, respect same.
Nighthawk needlessly killed off by David Walker, Adam Brashear held in place and only allowed to cut lose in the Ultimate 2's final issue and T'Challa supposed King of Wakanda, utterly reduced to milquetoast status by Ta Nehisi Coates.
Precious indeed.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3199376][COLOR="#000080"]It's as simple as that BCB.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
At this point, it's just tiresome. :(
[QUOTE=Redjack;3199187]Sometimes the direction of a comic or series is so far away from anything I would write that there's no point in trying to take the gig even if it was offered. The version of Black Panther I would want to write no longer exists in the comics. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy reading it (I do) but, no, there's nothing about the current comic that inspires me to write stories. Anything I would write coming after that would piss off too many of the fans because MY version would be too much of a new thing at that point. No one would stand for it. It would be seen as a comment on whatever came before (it wouldn't be that but people would see it that way). Why make a fight when there's no reason for one?
Contrary to how it seems, I don't want to set myself up in a battle situation with the fans or with other writers. These days I would prefer to write THE CREW or TALES OF WAKANDA if I had any choice.[/QUOTE]
[B]I dunno man of we can go from from Hickmans TRO where Wakanda is facing Thanos Black order and full might of his army and even then required then to attack 3 times to finally beat them, and Tchalla going against good Doom and not being obliterated on the spot, to Wakanda and being infested with rape camps, Tchalla struggling against. Two meta humans and Wakanda Being."brought to it's knees" on multiple occasions and barely struggling to stand against forces prior to Coates would of been handily spanked.. then I think whatever your vision of Wakanda is would be fine, plus with legacy being the name of the game, Maybe a older version of Wakanda is something we need. Coates new version isnt very appealing [/B]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3199462][B]I dunno man of we can go from from Hickmans TRO where Wakanda is facing Thanos Black order and full might of his army and even then required then to attack 3 times to finally beat them, and Tchalla going against good Doom and not being obliterated on the spot, to Wakanda and being infested with rape camps, Tchalla struggling against. Two meta humans and Wakanda Being."brought to it's knees" on multiple occasions and barely struggling to stand against forces prior to Coates would of been handily spanked.. then I think whatever your vision of Wakanda is would be fine, plus with legacy being the name of the game, Maybe a older version of Wakanda is something we need. Coates new version isnt very appealing [/B][/QUOTE]
You said it brother Ezyo1000.
I think it is a sort of tribute to Priest and Hudlin that it has taken nearly ten years and counting for Marvel editorial to dismantle the mythos that was realized under their (Priest and Hudlin) penmanship. The vision given to Marvel by Lee and Kirby was ignored for the most part for decades. But Priest let that genie out of the bottle and we all know it cannot be put back inside. The movie is going to shatter that bottle and burn the cork. But, again, if we don't all know that, we feel it.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3199462][B]I dunno man of we can go from from Hickmans TRO where Wakanda is facing Thanos Black order and full might of his army and even then required then to attack 3 times to finally beat them, and Tchalla going against good Doom and not being obliterated on the spot, to Wakanda and being infested with rape camps, Tchalla struggling against. Two meta humans and Wakanda Being."brought to it's knees" on multiple occasions and barely struggling to stand against forces prior to Coates would of been handily spanked.. then I think whatever your vision of Wakanda is would be fine, plus with legacy being the name of the game, Maybe a older version of Wakanda is something we need. Coates new version isnt very appealing [/B][/QUOTE]
fair enough. let's all see how well the movie and the cartoon are received and revisit.
so is there going to be a popular music soundtrack CD release for the panther movie? Just saying, it needs to happen. Orchestral music is just fine for those who get off on that, but....
Too bad Prince isn't alive to do this.
[QUOTE=Hypestyle;3199545]so is there going to be a popular music soundtrack CD release for the panther movie? Just saying, it needs to happen. Orchestral music is just fine for those who get off on that, but....
Too bad Prince isn't alive to do this.[/QUOTE]
Prince would have been awesome. I was one of those lucky enough to see him perform at Paisley Park. For about 2 hours! Free! And after a two hour concert beforehand! Annnnd.......at around 3 a.m. he was still in the lobby thanking all of us, around 200, personally for coming. That little shit could dance, sing, and play guitar all at once better than most can only do one. He would have honoured the mythos.
He was only about an inch shorter than me, but he was so tiny. I actually felt big.
[QUOTE=Redjack;3199542]fair enough. let's all see how well the movie and the cartoon are received and revisit.[/QUOTE]
[B]Sound like a good deal :)
We all want the best version of T'Challa. So far what you have produced has been great. I dont know the ratings obviously, But I am hopeful. Plus with the movie and the hype behind it... Revisit indeed.. [/B]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3199379][COLOR="#000080"]Yup. This other version did not have the feel of the original crew. And Kasper is a must.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Well that's what you get when a writer comes in with no respect for what came before.
It's also what happens when said writer feels they're reinventing the wheel.
Crash and burn ad infinitum.
[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3199538]I think it is a sort of tribute to Priest and Hudlin that it has taken nearly ten years and counting for Marvel editorial to dismantle the mythos that was realized under their (Priest and Hudlin) penmanship. The vision given to Marvel by Lee and Kirby was ignored for the most part for decades. But Priest let that gthe enie out of the bottle and we all know it cannot be put back inside. The movie is going to shatter that bottle and burn the cork. But, again, if we don't all know that, we feel it.[/QUOTE]
The mind truly boggles at the crap Marvel editorial have pulled with the BP mythos dating all the way back to Doomwar.
One almost unbroken line of editorially supported nerfing with David Liss's run being the only bit of respite along the way.
Hopefully February 2018 will prove to be a positive turning point moving forward.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3199560][B]Sound like a good deal :)
We all want the best version of T'Challa. So far what you have produced has been great. I dont know the ratings obviously, But I am hopeful. Plus with the movie and the hype behind it... Revisit indeed.. [/B][/QUOTE]
Don't get your hopes up my brother.
[QUOTE=Hypestyle;3199545]so is there going to be a popular music soundtrack CD release for the panther movie? Just saying, it needs to happen. Orchestral music is just fine for those who get off on that, but....
Too bad Prince isn't alive to do this.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of DJs and producers just drop concept albums for free online
[QUOTE=Smoov-E;3199653]I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of DJs and producers just drop concept albums for free online[/QUOTE]
feel free to point them out here as they come out.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3199619]Don't get your hopes up my brother.[/QUOTE]
[B]I'm not, but I feel more at ease Because unlike the comics, other forms of Media are looking at the mcu for reference in which the MCU looks to Priest and Hudlin for reference...[/B]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3199738][B]I'm not, but I feel more at ease Because unlike the comics, other forms of Media are looking at the mcu for reference in which the MCU looks to Priest and Hudlin for reference...[/B][/QUOTE]
here's what I can legally say about the cartoon.
[URL="https://www.geoffreythorne.com/single-post/2017/10/28/The-story-so-far"]Announcement[/URL]
[QUOTE=Redjack;3199747]here's what I can legally say about the cartoon.
[URL="https://www.geoffreythorne.com/single-post/2017/10/28/The-story-so-far"]Announcement[/URL][/QUOTE]
Do you know if they count digital purchases to ratings? I don't get Disney XD and have to buy eps through Amazon.
[QUOTE=Redjack;3199747]here's what I can legally say about the cartoon.
[URL="https://www.geoffreythorne.com/single-post/2017/10/28/The-story-so-far"]Announcement[/URL][/QUOTE]
Can't wait, man.
[QUOTE=Cville;3199770]Do you know if they count digital purchases to ratings? I don't get Disney XD and have to buy eps through Amazon.[/QUOTE]
no one has ever asked me that and it's not something I've thought about ever. but i would bet, if they drop a title or an episode and it blows up, it counts. I mean LUKE CAGE broke Netflix, right? That has to count.
[QUOTE=Redjack;3199810]no one has ever asked me that and it's not something I've thought about ever. but i would bet, if they drop a title or an episode and it blows up, it counts. I mean LUKE CAGE broke Netflix, right? That has to count.[/QUOTE]
The Netflix Luke Cage show was a welcome breath of fresh air.
I'm looking for the Black Panther movie to be a veritable tsunami of positive vibes come 2018. :)
[QUOTE=Redjack;3199747]here's what I can legally say about the cartoon.
[URL="https://www.geoffreythorne.com/single-post/2017/10/28/The-story-so-far"]Announcement[/URL][/QUOTE]
[B]given the work you have done on the current season with BP, if this is a continuation of that then there is plenty to be hyped for and little to be worried about[/B]
[QUOTE=Redjack;3199747]here's what I can legally say about the cartoon.
[URL="https://www.geoffreythorne.com/single-post/2017/10/28/The-story-so-far"]Announcement[/URL][/QUOTE]
It seems like all the male Avengers lost a lot of weight :p.
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNaGZiJW0AEWZJv?format=jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Redjack;3199747]here's what I can legally say about the cartoon.
[URL="https://www.geoffreythorne.com/single-post/2017/10/28/The-story-so-far"]Announcement[/URL][/QUOTE]
Congrats!
Looking forward to it.
[QUOTE=Chesterfield;3201175][img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNaGZiJW0AEWZJv?format=jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[B]That is cool looking[/B]
[QUOTE=Redjack;3199747]here's what I can legally say about the cartoon.
[URL="https://www.geoffreythorne.com/single-post/2017/10/28/The-story-so-far"]Announcement[/URL][/QUOTE]
Can you say if or when you'll be able to say more or can you not say that either? ;)
Just a reminder that Black Panther by Reginald Hudlin: The Complete Collection Vol. 1 is on sale at comics shops this Wednesday and at major retailers November 14th.
[QUOTE=robreedwrites;3201428]Just a reminder that Black Panther by Reginald Hudlin: The Complete Collection Vol. 1 is on sale at comics shops this Wednesday and at major retailers November 14th.[/QUOTE]
Add to any comic social media groups you are a part of too. Im in three or four on FB and will add the notice.
Don McGregor's been approached to write a ten page entry for a Black Panther anthology scheduled for release next year to coincide with the Black Panther movie. :cool: