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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;3177182]Klaw was kinda Green Lantern-ish. I think Klaw should be above street level heroes.[/QUOTE]
Klaw is ridulously powerful. Nearly impossible to kill or even hurt.
The problem has always been him being used as just random muscle in comic book stories. If a writer needs a couple dozen super villains in mob scheme they'll just throw Klaw in there.
Now that Black Panther has a on-going book hopefully that can start to be corrected a bit. If he can be built up as a more credible threat here and used a bit more frequently, that plus the movie can perhaps give him some much needed rehab.
[QUOTE=XPac;3177235]Klaw is ridulously powerful. Nearly impossible to kill or even hurt.
The problem has always been him being used as just random muscle in comic book stories. If a writer needs a couple dozen super villains in mob scheme they'll just throw Klaw in there.
Now that Black Panther has a on-going book hopefully that can start to be corrected a bit. If he can be built up as a more credible threat here and used a bit more frequently, that plus the movie can perhaps give him some much needed rehab.[/QUOTE]
Vibranium is his weakness.
The key to BP beating Klaw is to control his justifiable rage, and use his brains.
Although the occasional biblical beatdown like BP gave Klaw during the Priest run was very welcomed.
Only cerebral folks like BP, Stark, and Reed Richards should be able to beat Klaw, imo.
[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;3177262]Vibranium is his weakness.
The key to BP beating Klaw is to control his justifiable rage, and use his brains.
Although the occasional biblical beatdown like BP gave Klaw during the Priest run was very welcomed.
Only cerebral folks like BP, Stark, and Reed Richards should be able to beat Klaw, imo.[/QUOTE]
That sort of leads into the other problem with Klaw... he's potentially TOO easy for BP to beat. There are times he's beaten him with a relatively quick and easy one hit KO due to his vibranium weakness. THat's not to say there aren't a few other occasions where T'Challa really had to work at it... but it sort of makes it a bit tougher to make Klaw scary when T'Challa can in theory one hit KO him at any time as he's done on a few occasions in the past.
It's why on paper I don't feel Klaw and T'CHalla necessarily always match up well. It can be too hard or do easy depending on whether or not he happens to have vibranium around (which these days is pretty much always). I sometimes wish a different character ended up being T'CHallas arch nemesis. But either way, it just requires a writer to worl a little harder to make it work.
The current series get any better?
[QUOTE=Vic Vega;3177068]But Blade doesn't play like a super hero movie.
It plays like a grindhouse action horror flick. In fact the somewhat similar in tone Vampire$ came out the same year.
You could hate superheroes like poison and still love Blade because despite the main character having powers
there's nothing in it that's overtly superhero-ish (if that is even a word).
It's like the first Mask flick in that way. Or more to the point, the first Crow movie.
There's nothing superhero-y or comic book-y about any of those films. They all seem rooted in other
genres.[/QUOTE]
Winter Soldier played like a political spy thriller
Guardians play like a sci-fi buddy adventure
Ant-Man was a hiest film
Strange was a psychological magic movie
Like Blade they just happen to feature known superheroes and thus are at their core considered superhero movies
[QUOTE=MadFacedKid;3177312]The current series get any better?[/QUOTE]
If you didn't like Coates writing before, you probably won't like it now.
Though for what it's worth, I think pacing and action are better this season than last.
[QUOTE=XPac;3177329]If you didn't like Coates writing before, you probably won't like it now.
Though for what it's worth, I think pacing and action are better this season than last.[/QUOTE]
I'm wanting to jump back in because of the stuff I've been hearing. Like the planet thing and orishas, but I'm on the fence.
[QUOTE=Smoov-E;3177327]Winter Soldier played like a political spy thriller
Guardians play like a sci-fi buddy adventure
Ant-Man was a hiest film
Strange was a psychological magic movie
Like Blade they just happen to feature known superheroes and thus are at their core considered superhero movies[/QUOTE]
But all of those featured dudes that dressed like super heroes in a movies that were clearly marketed as super hero flicks.
Blade didn't give off that vibe back in the day. Frankly the Fangoria crowd at the time was more interested in Blade than super hero
fans because of how that movie was presented.
It was a Hard R flick that had a cameo by former underage Porn Star Traci Lords in the first five minutes for God's sake.
It's not taking anything away from Blade to remember that it succeeded in part because it didn't read as a super hero flick to a general audience.
[QUOTE=Vic Vega;3177068]But Blade doesn't play like a super hero movie.
It plays like a grindhouse action horror flick. In fact the somewhat similar in tone Vampire$ came out the same year.
You could hate superheroes like poison and still love Blade because despite the main character having powers
there's nothing in it that's overtly superhero-ish (if that is even a word).
It's like the first Mask flick in that way. Or more to the point, the first Crow movie.
There's nothing superhero-y or comic book-y about any of those films. They all seem rooted in other
genres.[/QUOTE]
None of which changes the fact that the Blade movies were based on a Marvel Comicbook character.
It's not like anyone in here was talking about superheroes or any of the other stuff you've brought up in your post.
What cannot be in dispute is the fact that the first Blade got Hollywood interested in comicbook movies again. (Especially R-rated ones)
What superheroics has to do with anything as regards this discussion is beyond me.
[QUOTE=XPac;3177179]I guess the issue is like Punisher, Blade really isn't a super hero in the conventional sense. Because vampires fall under a different genre, the sucess of Blade isn't necessarily an indicator of whether a Fantastic Four movie or an X-Men movie is viable. They're too different, hence Blade getting an R rating. It's target audience is completely different than what most super hero flicks go for.
It's easier to see a sucessful X-Men and assume a Fantastic Four movie might be viable than it would to see a Blade movie and assume a Captain America movie would be viable. They're different to the point where a difference audience altogether is being catered to.
I'm not saying Blade didn't have an effect on the comic genre... just that it had less of one than more obvious comic book super hero movies, which directly catered to the target audience buying the comics and toys and watching the cartoons. Blade is just a bit more outside of the box.[/QUOTE]
Dude, is a comicbook character who spawned three movies, a live action TV series and an animated manganese series.
Before the first Blade movie, comic book based movies were dead in the water.
Even Feige has acknowledged the fact that Blade kick-started the comicbook move resurgence.
[QUOTE=MadFacedKid;3177343]I'm wanting to jump back in because of the stuff I've been hearing. Like the planet thing and orishas, but I'm on the fence.[/QUOTE]
In the least, the Galactic Empire stuff hasn't started yet. So if that's a major draw, you can probably hold off on it.
[QUOTE=MadFacedKid;3177343]I'm wanting to jump back in because of the stuff I've been hearing. Like the planet thing and orishas, but I'm on the fence.[/QUOTE]
Stay on the fence bro.
[QUOTE=XPac;3177210]MCU versions aren't direct translations of the comic book versions... but there are attempts at making them at least fit with the spirit of the source material.
Yes, Jane foster is not a nurse. But she is Thors love interest rather than say a super villain. THey didn't completely alter her function and turn her into Titania or anything like that. She has a different backstory but effectively follows the same function in the story as she does in the comics.
SO while it's no gurantee that Nakia will become Malice, it's not unreasonable to conclude that anymore than it's unreasonable to conclude Norman Osborn will eventually become the Green Goblin in a Spider-Man movie. If you are a comic fan you know who this character is. She's a character who is initially loyal to T'Challa before doing a heel turn. That may not happen... but in the same breath no one should be surprised if it does.
I'll say if they do decide to go a different right, that's perfectly fine and they have every right to do that. Movies aren't necessarily beholden to follow the source material. But they do often try to stay true to the spirit of the source material even if they obviously can't be direct translations of it. So pretty much across the board the heroes in the comics typically are heroes in the movies, and villains in the comics typically are villains in the movies. If Nakia ends up not falling in that established pattern (and again it's perfectly fine if she doesn't), then she's more the exception than the rule.[/QUOTE]
[B]If Baron Zemo can Kill T'chaka, instead of Klaw you know, the whole basis reason for why T'challa became the Bp and hates klaw so much.... Then i think it will be no big deal if Naki doens't become Malice, Especially when there is only so much source material to base her off of because it was only for an arc that she was around before she was killed. So, Coogler has free reigns to take this however he wants, and there is potential for young girls to have multiple WOC to look up to. The Genius Princess, The Badass Ride or Die Royal guard, or the secret agent War Dog.. Thats a GOOD thing not ex-lover turn scorned villain. There is already too much negativity being shown between black men and black women in media as it is, time to show a healthy relationship, even if they dont end up together by the end of the movie they should be shown to obviously care for each other and be seen in a positive light [/B]
[QUOTE=XPac;3177280]That sort of leads into the other problem with Klaw... he's potentially TOO easy for BP to beat. There are times he's beaten him with a relatively quick and easy one hit KO due to his vibranium weakness. THat's not to say there aren't a few other occasions where T'Challa really had to work at it... but it sort of makes it a bit tougher to make Klaw scary when T'Challa can in theory one hit KO him at any time as he's done on a few occasions in the past.
It's why on paper I don't feel Klaw and T'Challa necessarily always match up well. It can be too hard or do easy depending on whether or not he happens to have vibranium around (which these days is pretty much always). I sometimes wish a different character ended up being T'CHallas arch nemesis. But either way, it just requires a writer to worl a little harder to make it work.[/QUOTE]
[B]Yeaaaaaaa... Except Priest already corrected this, by having Klaw Know that vibranium is his weakness and preparing for that, forcing T'Challa to anticipate his upgrades, makes for exciting and dynamic showdowns, I mean all it really takes is for a big upgrade to make it so that, while yes vibranium is Klaws natural kryptonite, its not always the one hit K.O. There can be a revamp story in which Klaw gains power (Maybe after being in hiding for so long to make himself stronger, or absorbing enough sound from the earth itself, or beyond that) that T'challa and Klaw throw down, T'Challa realizes that Klaw isn't as effected by Vibranium weapons as he was before, and falls back, while still giving them both good showings, then it comes to a bout of Klaw becoming an Avengers level threat that takes the avengers (or multiple avengers teams) to take down, with T'challa scoring the "Killing Blow" in the end.
It upgrades Klaw to a higher level threat, he can still come back and face T'Challa in his solo in a one on one bout, or he can be used as a big Avengers team threat. It simply requires writers to stop being lazy asses and See that Klaw is a near cosmic level being [/B]