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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;1736358]I would hope so, especially considering that in the Ultimates title, Wakanda basically is building the space program for the world. You'd hate to see that level of tech and then travel to Wakanda to see warriors with spears.
There should be a certain progression of warriors in Wakanda. The higher up you go, the more you get access to the high end tech.[/QUOTE]
Laser spears ala EMH at the very least
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;1736266]I'm guessing it's mostly ceremonial stuff but yeah I have to agree. Unless these spears are shooting laser blasts and can project a shield, I don't see how effective they are in modern warfare. It's always seems to be the standard pic when depicting Wakandan warriors other than the Hatute Zeraze.
That was one of the cool things about Priest' Dora Milaje. They were kicking butt in business attire with no spears.[/QUOTE]
Laser spears, or rail gun spears, or sonic spears. Something.
And I don't think Doom is lazy, just too paranoid to let his populace have anything they might then use to threaten him.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1736306]Exactly.
Take the discussion we had concerning T'Challa vs Shuri + the doras + the HZ. Take away his intellect out of the equation. With his abilities alone, he could do serious damage to the Wakandan infantry we've saw in NA. And the infantry wouldn't have much of a chance by default even with the numerical advantage because they are humans fighting with little armor and spears. That's nuts.
My hope is the next run or the films fixes that somehow. Using normal spears every once in a while is fine, but in a major battle with no additional armor of some kind in the 21st century? That's crazy.[/QUOTE]
It depends on what you do with the Spear. If you give the spears basically the abilities of a Ronan Hammer, then its just a cultural tool. Maybe it can manipulate kinetic energy. Create a force field and kinetic blast.
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Any projectile weapon that wouldn't have recoil could be spear shaped. Hell, a troop of Wakandan soldiers with adjustable sound frequency weapons could theoretically levitate stuff to vibrating it to dust. Vibranium is so cool.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;1736358]I would hope so, especially considering that in the Ultimates title, Wakanda basically is building the space program for the world. You'd hate to see that level of tech and then travel to Wakanda to see warriors with spears.
There should be a certain progression of warriors in Wakanda. The higher up you go, the more you get access to the high end tech.[/QUOTE]
Good point. Plus, as of late Wakanda has a history of being attacked by either highly advanced opponents or super powered beings. You'd figure they would make significant upgrades to their basic weaponry and armor at some point.
[QUOTE=MouserGrey;1736380]Laser spears, or rail gun spears, or sonic spears. Something.[/QUOTE]
That would be a good start. Better than what we currently have.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1736333][B]It's probably safe to assume that everything T'Challa uses is of his own design and creation,especially Shadow Physics stuff.[/B][/QUOTE]
Makes sense.
[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1736402]It depends on what you do with the Spear. If you give the spears basically the abilities of a Ronan Hammer, then its just a cultural tool. Maybe it can manipulate kinetic energy. Create a force field and kinetic blast.[/QUOTE]
That would be very interesting to see. And, of course, far better than a normal spear. Normal spears have got to go. Or at least be significantly upgraded. Something.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1736356]They are magical but still magical swords lol. Dark elves showed up with guns and grenades and lit there ass up.
There was a lot right in Doom War... [B]its just the ending that sucks donkey testicles[/B].[/QUOTE]
That's an understatement lol
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Replace the spears with [URL="http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Ma'Tok_staff"]Goa'uld/Jaffa Ma'Tok staff weapons [/URL]and call it a day. Use the [URL="http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mini_staff_weapon"]Sodan version [/URL]though, it's so much lighter.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1736147][B]Except the thing is there was some shitty writing going on in regards to T'Challa, fact is, multiple people have brought up solid facts about why they didn't like T'Challa's portrayal and one of the most common "rebuttals" to that argument tends to be "Lol you guys just wanted T'Challa to single handily solve the incursion issue, beat god Doom and the beyonders". Most of us that have the issue have also explained what could of been done differently that is only a slight minor change that would make the biggest differences. So no, its not people complaining about everything, If T'Challa had a good showing its noted but if its shit, its gonna be called out on [/B][/QUOTE]
My bro at the end of the day, it goes without saying that some would prefer taking cheap shots at alternative viewpoints just for the sake of appearing kewl as opposed to actually applying critical analysis to what's actually presented on the printed page.
It comes with the territory in this thread.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1736229]The previous "debate" ( HA!) makes me wonder one thing.
Outside of the HZ, why is everyone one else in the Wakandan army in NA, including Shuri, using spears almost exclusively? And why aren't they armored, especially in times of battle? Similar to how almost everyone was in Doom War?
The infantry of the most advanced nation's army is bringing to battle...spears? Really?
Kind of a head scratcher, imo.[/QUOTE]
One may very well ask why the Atlantean's were portrayed with axes and swords when anyone familiar with Namor's 1960's-70's stories, knows that Atlantean troops have their own hi-tech energy based weapons too..
Hickman just chose to ignore all of those facts in favour of pushing the narrative he wanted.
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[QUOTE=Random4;1736298]true..i still argue that wakandians probably have more discipline then doom generally speaking[/QUOTE]
The dynamic is totally different.
In Latveria, all technological advancements stem from (and are controlled firmly) from Doom himself.
Wakandan tech is a self perpetuating phenomena spread across a wider pool of research and development with T'Challa at it's epicentre.
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[QUOTE=Random4;1736323]It's just amazing to think that in 1966 Lee and Kirby made the most advanced country in the marvel universe be a Black African nation, with no European colonial influence.[/QUOTE]
Lee and Kirby were way ahead of their time as regards meaningful as opposed to faux diversity, and this was evident in a bulk of their work together or as individuals
[QUOTE=Random4;1736323]who would of thought that would ever happen especially in 1966...[/QUOTE]
It's a pity this is a fact lost on most of the some of the writers Marvel have commisioned to write T'Challa/Wakanda based tales in the 21'st century.
[QUOTE=Random4;1736323]although generally Jewish Americans tended to be more progressive on racial issues, then many WASP Americans...not to say there weren't progressive WASPS
but the Jewish-African American connection is strong and well known[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;1736358]I would hope so, especially considering that in the Ultimates title, Wakanda basically is building the space program for the world. You'd hate to see that level of tech and then travel to Wakanda to see warriors with spears.
There should be a certain progression of warriors in Wakanda. The higher up you go, the more you get access to the high end tech.[/QUOTE]
The funny thing is in comics swords and spears usually work better than guns anyways. Unless tour first name is Frank and your last name is Castle you're often better off dropping the gun and looking for the nearest rock.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1736732]Lee and Kirby were way ahead of their time as regards meaningful as opposed to faux diversity, and this was evident in a bulk of their work together or as individuals
It's a pity this is a fact lost on most of the some of the writers Marvel have commisioned to write T'Challa/Wakanda based tales in the 21'st century.
Agreed.[/QUOTE]
well....i think Kirby really deserves more credit than Stan
but thats a old and different discussion for some time
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[QUOTE=Random4;1736863]well....i think Kirby really deserves more credit than Stan
but thats a old and different discussion for some time[/QUOTE]
[B]Based on what premise?[/B]
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;1735855]Apparently Chadwick Boseman plays a South African in this movie so his accent will determine if he can actually pull an African accent. At least before Civil War does it first
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And PS. Luke Evans for Namor. It will be fun seeing both of them onscreen. Hopefully they get the rights sorted[/QUOTE]
No idea. There isn't even a trailer yet
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1736440]Good point. Plus, as of late Wakanda has a history of being attacked by either highly advanced opponents or super powered beings. You'd figure they would make significant upgrades to their basic weaponry and armor at some point.
That would be a good start. Better than what we currently have.
Makes sense.
That would be very interesting to see. And, of course, far better than a normal spear. [B]Normal spears have got to go[/B]. Or at least be significantly upgraded. Something.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget the loin clothes. When I imagine a high tech nation of Wakanda, I picture the patrol team looking like this
[img]http://i.imgur.com/xJAEFYz.jpg[/img]
The spears were actually updated in one issue of daredevil
[img]http://i.imgur.com/tJuPIRP.png[/img]
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Some of these complaints about Hickman or whoever is really just complaints about the comic book, super hero genre.
Guns, for whatever reason, in super hero books kind of suck. Bad guys have guns all the time and all it results in is bullet time feats and them getting KTFO.
Most heroes should be rockin' some modified Iron Man armor if we want to be totally frank. T'challa should be rockin' modified Iron Man suit with vibranium laced in so he is indestructible.
But... that is boring. Guns in general are kind of boring. Hand to hand stuff is fun. Swords are fun. Dagger are fun. Hammers are fun. Axes are fun.
If comic book wars followed "real" war, everyone would have guns and 90%of the book would simply be long range missiles, artilery, and the like. That is boring.
Two nations running at each other with swords and spears? That is cool.
So yeah... the most advanced nation on earth should have some stupid sci-fi crazy war aresenal. I mean... No ship should ever touch foot in Wakanda... it would be blown of the sky by anti-air laser missiles as soon as it got in range. If it did somehow land, there would be 50 giant laser cannons blowing it to kingdom come before the door opens.
But... boring AF
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1736402]It depends on what you do with the Spear. If you give the spears basically the abilities of a Ronan Hammer, then its just a cultural tool. Maybe it can manipulate kinetic energy. Create a force field and kinetic blast.[/QUOTE]
Honestly I don't think they're going to make your average Wakandan soldier too uber because frankly they're red shirts in stories. They're designed to lose to the bad guys.
If Wakandan soldiers were powerful enough to take out Kill Monger or Man Age or whatever, what would they need T'Challa for? He can sit behind a desk all day doing paper work. It's the equivalent of the police department dealing Dardevil bad guys or SHIELD agents dealing with Captain America bad guys. It's pretty much a given the bad guy will beat up the red shirts, thus allowing the super hero to take down the bad guy.
If cops and soldiers could effectively do their jobs in the MU we frankly would't need super heroes most of the time. But the point of it is that all this stuff is out of their league. That's why we need the super heroes saving the day. Even when they deck out SHIELD or government agents with fancy tech (like Guardsman armor or Mandroid Armor) it still sucks. They still get their behinds kicked. It almost makes them look worse because they have this fancy tech and they're still getting their butts kicked so badly.
That's just how the genre works most of the time.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;1737305]
The spears were actually updated in one issue of daredevil
[img]http://i.imgur.com/tJuPIRP.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Didn't the Ultimates 2 cartoon movie do something similar? I remember tony remarking they were just spears until he got hit by them and they F him up a bit
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1737611]Didn't the Ultimates 2 cartoon movie do something similar? I remember tony remarking they were just spears until he got hit by them and they F him up a bit[/QUOTE]
That's the funny thing... government and military tend to do better against super heroes than super villains.
Look at freaking Civil War. Why couldn't SHIELD bust out HALF that stuff against actual super villains?
But again, that's just how the story works. If the government or military is presented as the antagonist then they need to be a threat. Hence them saving all the "good stuff" for fights against actual heroes. Go figure.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1737540]Some of these complaints about Hickman or whoever is really just complaints about the comic book, super hero genre.
Guns, for whatever reason, in super hero books kind of suck. Bad guys have guns all the time and all it results in is bullet time feats and them getting KTFO.
Most heroes should be rockin' some modified Iron Man armor if we want to be totally frank. T'challa should be rockin' modified Iron Man suit with vibranium laced in so he is indestructible.
But... that is boring. Guns in general are kind of boring. Hand to hand stuff is fun. Swords are fun. Dagger are fun. Hammers are fun. Axes are fun.
If comic book wars followed "real" war, everyone would have guns and 90%of the book would simply be long range missiles, artilery, and the like. That is boring.
Two nations running at each other with swords and spears? That is cool.
So yeah... the most advanced nation on earth should have some stupid sci-fi crazy war aresenal. I mean... No ship should ever touch foot in Wakanda... it would be blown of the sky by anti-air laser missiles as soon as it got in range. If it did somehow land, there would be 50 giant laser cannons blowing it to kingdom come before the door opens.
But... boring AF[/QUOTE]
C'mon, it doesn't have to be an either or. Even if you want to keep the spears....normal ass spears? Really?
I have zero problems with melee weapons, or even an army using a combo of melee and projectile weapons. I have no problems with armies using melee weapons primarily. It has shown to work in fiction within the realm of logic many times (especially when combined with tech), and its quite entertaining too. I have no problem with it, none whatsoever. But I seriously find it strange that a nation that has been attacked by highly advanced armies and super powered beings are still using, of all things, normal spears. And doing so with little armor. That's just ridiculous.
All I ask is the make the Wakandan melee weapons advanced. And do give the army some armor. It's only logical. You can still have all those things you like about armies charging and all that with them.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;1737305]Don't forget the loin clothes. When I imagine a high tech nation of Wakanda, I picture the patrol team looking like this
[img]http://i.imgur.com/xJAEFYz.jpg[/img]
The spears were actually updated in one issue of daredevil
[img]http://i.imgur.com/tJuPIRP.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Nice stuff! My thing is, it makes little sense for the army of the most advanced nation of earth to continue using normal spears. That's crazy. Now, modified spears or highly advanced ones as seen in that DD scan? I have no problem with.
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BTW, I was selling Wakanda a bit short in the laser cannon and anti-air craft guns
[img]http://f.ptcdn.info/193/009/000/1378116331-NewAvenger-o.jpg[/img]
Forgot about that page
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1737634]C'mon, it doesn't have to be an either or. Even if you want to keep the spears....normal ass spears? Really?
I have zero problems with melee weapons, or even an army using a combo of melee and projectile weapons. I have no problems with armies using melee weapons primarily. It has shown to work in fiction within the realm of logic many times (especially when combined with tech), and its quite entertaining too. I have no problem with it, none whatsoever. But I seriously find it strange that a nation that has been attacked by highly advanced armies and super powered beings are still using, of all things, normal spears. And doing so with little armor. That's just ridiculous.
All I ask is the make the Wakandan melee weapons advanced. And do give the army some armor. It's only logical. You can still have all those things you like about armies charging and all that with them.[/QUOTE]
Shuri's spear is stupid. Spear of Bashenga should have mystical properties if they aren't going to go the tech route.
I don't think too much about the "pawns" int he Wakandan army but yeah... stone spears is dumb. Just assume they are vibranium tipped lol
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Another question: How long has T'Challa had the teleportation, shielding, energy daggers (as seen in NA) and the gauntlets that he used against Namor?
I know he obviously had the super strength (Panther God blessing) and the vibranium suit. But the rest....is a KOD thing? I don't remember him having all this prior to NA?
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1737668]Another question: How long has T'Challa had the teleportation, shielding, energy daggers (as seen in NA) and the gauntlets that he used against Namor?
I know he obviously had the super strength (Panther God blessing) and the vibranium suit. But the rest....is a KOD thing? I don't remember him having all this prior to NA?[/QUOTE]
He has had energy daggers forever. Hickman/the artist changed the look of them and how they appear but they are still essentially just a different rendition of the energy daggers.
As best I can remember, the rest of it first appeared in Hickmans run.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1737659]Shuri's spear is stupid. Spear of Bashenga should have mystical properties if they aren't going to go the tech route.
I don't think too much about the "pawns" int he Wakandan army but yeah... stone spears is dumb. Just assume they are vibranium tipped lol[/QUOTE]
I always assumed they were vibranium tipped. However, their functions as spears are still very basic.
Something like the DD scan DBoi posted or a lesser version of this:
[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;1736527]Replace the spears with [URL="http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Ma'Tok_staff"]Goa'uld/Jaffa Ma'Tok staff weapons [/URL]and call it a day. Use the [URL="http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Mini_staff_weapon"]Sodan version [/URL]though, it's so much lighter.[/QUOTE]
would be much more preferable to me.
As for the "pawns"...they may be pawns but they are Wakandan pawns. By default, they should be the best. Their gear should reflect that. Fighting with normal spears and little to no armor in a major battle doesn't reflect that.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1737679]He has had energy daggers forever. Hickman/the artist changed the look of them and how they appear but they are still essentially just a different rendition of the energy daggers.
As best I can remember, the rest of it first appeared in Hickmans run.[/QUOTE]
Yea, the daggers were around, I just wasn't familiar with their new look. If Hickman changed the look, that explains it.
So, the rest did come from some sort of a KOD power package, right?
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1737680]I always assumed they were vibranium tipped. However, their functions as spears are still very basic.
Some like the DD scan DBoi posted or a lesser version of this:
would be much more preferable to me.
As for the "pawns"...they may be pawns but they are Wakandan pawns. By default, they should be the best. Their gear should reflect that. Fighting with normal spears and little to no armor doesn't reflect that.[/QUOTE]
Aren't they typically in some sort of armor during war? SWaD they were. DW they were. I can't really recall what the "normal" pawns were wearing in Hickmans run.
I mean, yeah man, they should be rockin some cool shit. But, meta wise, they are still just pawns. That is just comic books.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1737687]Yea, the daggers were around, I just wasn't familiar with their new look. If Hickman changed the look, that explains it.
So, the rest did come from some sort of a KOD power package, right?[/QUOTE]
Naw, the rest came from, "new writer likes to add his own tech for T'challa"
Just continuing the tradition!
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1737694]Aren't they typically in some sort of armor during war? SWaD they were. DW they were. I can't really recall what the "normal" pawns were wearing in Hickmans run.
I mean, yeah man, they should be rockin some cool shit. But, meta wise, they are still just pawns. That is just comic books.[/QUOTE]
[B]I actually don't think in TRO or any of those stories that you actually see much of the Wakandan Military at all, you only see, T'Challa, Shuri, Dora's and the Hatute. The Dogs are rocking guns but everyone else its either spears or h2h. Which absolutely there is nothing wrong with that, but those spears shouldn't look so primitive, they should have atleast light armor even when it is times of peace, i mean there is keeping the peace between the different tribes so you would want to be prepared still. But the Doras and the Dogs are usually rocking the cool stuff when it comes to members other then T'Challa an Shuri[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1737848][B]I actually don't think in TRO or any of those stories that you actually see much of the Wakandan Military at all, you only see, T'Challa, Shuri, Dora's and the Hatute. The Dogs are rocking guns but everyone else its either spears or h2h. Which absolutely there is nothing wrong with that, but those spears shouldn't look so primitive, they should have atleast light armor even when it is times of peace, i mean there is keeping the peace between the different tribes so you would want to be prepared still. But the Doras and the Dogs are usually rocking the cool stuff when it comes to members other then T'Challa an Shuri[/B][/QUOTE]
yeah I went through quickly and looked and could not see any generic foot soldiers.
But they have been armed in the past obviously
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1737668]Another question: How long has T'Challa had the teleportation, shielding, energy daggers (as seen in NA) and the gauntlets that he used against Namor?
I know he obviously had the super strength (Panther God blessing) and the vibranium suit. But the rest....is a KOD thing? I don't remember him having all this prior to NA?[/QUOTE]
In Doom War T'Challa developed Shadow Physics which resulted in the nowhere Room, which allowed him to teleport Deadpool. So it's possible that the teleportation we're seeing in Hickmans books is merely a refined version of the one we saw in Doom War. Though it could also be entirely different, because that process seemed a lot more complicated as far as being physically and mentally taxing (at the time it effectively could only be used by Deadpool).
As others have mentioned, T'Challa has had energy daggers before but the ones we're seeing in Hickmans book are really different. Priests energy daggers were effectively lasers that shot out of his claws. Neat thing about them was that they were intangible.. in Busieks Avengers forever they were able to phase through Ultrons adamantium body. He was one of the few people capable of hurting Utron with them. Now they're replaced with actual physical knives... mini light sabers. Also kind of cool... though I like Priests version better.
As far as I know the shields and gauntlets are also brand new to Hickman. Really, Hickman added a LOT of gear for T'Challa. It'll be interesting to see how much of it carries on to the next writer.
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Has any one else seen people talk so much shit about Hudlins run on Black Panther? Like on other fourms. like i try to explain how good it was but is like they dont see how amazing it was. what would yall say to someone talking about how Gudlins run was
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[QUOTE=wisesonAC;1737972]Has any one else seen people talk so much shit about Hudlins run on Black Panther? Like on other fourms. like i try to explain how good it was but is like they dont see how amazing it was. what would yall say to someone talking about how Gudlins run was[/QUOTE]
A good chunk of people do not like Hudlin's run in this thread.
I don't hate it but I definitely do not think it is amazing
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[QUOTE=wisesonAC;1737972]Has any one else seen people talk so much shit about Hudlins run on Black Panther? Like on other fourms. like i try to explain how good it was but is like they dont see how amazing it was. what would yall say to someone talking about how Gudlins run was[/QUOTE]
I found Hudlin's run somewhat uneven.
At times I found the characterization and continuity somewhat questionable. But overall it was a fun book. And it was the most commercially sucessful of the BP runs... that pretty much speaks for itself. Looking at the big picture you don't have to defend Hudlins' run... the numbers do that for you.
To this day I'll say Hudlins "The Deadliest of Species" is one of my all time fave BP stories. And his cross over into Civil War was a definate highlight to that whole event. He's not by fave BP writer (that would be Priest), but the good will always outweight the bad in my eyes.
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[QUOTE=wisesonAC;1737972]Has any one else seen people talk so much shit about Hudlins run on Black Panther? Like on other fourms. like i try to explain how good it was but is like they dont see how amazing it was. what would yall say to someone talking about how Gudlins run was[/QUOTE]
Honestly, talking about the Hudlin's run outside of this forum on CBR is bound to start major debates and beefs sooner or later. Very amzing, yet strange, thing to see.
As for me, I felt the Hudlin run had a shaky start at first (after the 6 issue mini series) but it improved as time went on and ended in a high note. Also felt that the main contributions of the run (the marriage and Shuri) were very good ideas that only needed further development.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1737848][B]The Dogs are rocking guns but everyone else its either spears or h2h. Which absolutely there is nothing wrong with that, but those spears shouldn't look so primitive[/B][/QUOTE]
For real, that's all I'm saying. Gotta make them more than normal spears. That's just...:(
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Withe exceptions of armor for T"Challa and the coma I liked Hudlins run. The reaction panels of Cage and T'Challa when they saw what's his names grand daughter are my all time favorites of T'Challa. Funny stuff.
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Solicitation for Black Panther #1
[B]BLACK PANTHER #1
TA-NEHISI COATES (W) • BRIAN STELFREEZE (A/C)[/B]
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[B]A new era for the Black Panther starts here!
Written by MacArthur Genius and National Book Award winner TA-NEHISI COATES (Between the World and Me) and illustrated by living legend BRIAN STELFREEZE, "A Nation Under Our Feet" is a story about dramatic upheaval in Wakanda and the Black Panther's struggle to do right by his people as their ruler. The indomitable will of Wakanda -- the famed African nation known for its vast wealth, advanced technology and warrior traditions -- has long been reflected in the will of its monarchs, the Black Panthers. But now the current Black Panther, T'Challa, finds that will tested by a superhuman terrorist group called The People that has sparked a violent uprising among the citizens of Wakanda. T'Challa knows the country must change to survive -- the question is, will the Black Panther survive the change?
40 PGS./Rated T+ ...$4.99[/B]
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