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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742464]I think this is perhaps the craziest thing I've seen but I will humor you. how am I talking ish and please quote me what I said?[/QUOTE]
I didn't say you were, I said that I'm not.
But what you are doing is arguing with life long, or very mythos read, BP fans about what he's pulled off or shown himself capable of in decades of stories.
Why are we supposed to respect what you are saying Storm is capable of, when your counter is, "Oh well I've never seen that book your are talking about, but that seems like no big deal."
That's a BS place to argue from.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742434]well I think tchalla would want to take an approach that resulted in the least amount of casualties.[/QUOTE]
X-Men were willing. Wakandans can't?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742464]and as a sn no you dont talk ish about storm in her thread, you just derail this one by doing it here.
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There are [B]pages[/B] of me adding productive posts to this thread that are only related to BP.
I'd be shocked, but pleasantly suprised, if you have produce more than 10 posts in this thread that are solely related to Black Panther and not Storm or [U]me[/U].
I don't even really have an issue with you per se, the only real beef I've had with you was when it looked like you were purposely derailing the thread, rather than just posting stuff I vehemently disagree with but doing it sincerely. I've seen the amount of dumb **** you put up with in your own thread so I know you aren't a troll.
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3742470]I didn't say you were, I said that I'm not.
But what you are doing is arguing with life long, or very mythos read, BP fans about what he's pulled off or shown himself capable of in decades of stories.
Why are we supposed to respect what you are saying Storm is capable of, when your counter is, "Oh well I've never seen that book your are talking about, but that seems like no big deal."
That's a BS place to argue from.[/QUOTE]
no disrespect to lifelong fans. but let me explain to you my thought process. I lean on fans here word who are more knowledgeable when it comes to his mythos. so when posters mentioned he beat logos I actually thought ok why didnr coates take a similar approach. it wasnt until I read the ultimates issue for myself that I understood there was a lot of context as to how he pulled that off. so me asking questions, me challenging certain views here is not to troll or be disrespectful. it's for me to better understand your thought process and for to express why I think coates took the story in direction he did. I also post scans from canon to try to explain it from an unbiased manner. if someone posted something that would counter my point I would concede. in fact marvell did. he mentioned mephisto is a universal threat and I asked him to explain how. so I'm not expecting anyone to respect my thoughts but I thought we could respectfully disagree here and debate certain facts without getting personal or taking things personal. if I'm wrong about something I will concede but as of yet I havent seen anything that tchalla could do that could give him a win here without some form of help.
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3742470]I didn't say you were, I said that I'm not.
But what you are doing is arguing with life long, or very mythos read, BP fans about what he's pulled off or shown himself capable of in decades of stories.
Why are we supposed to respect what you are saying Storm is capable of, when your counter is, "Oh well I've never seen that book your are talking about, but that seems like no big deal."
That's a BS place to argue from.[/QUOTE]
Right. When I saw, Butterflykiss, that you didn't know the scene with T'Challa and Mephisto I knew you didn't know enough to make your argument of appreciation. And, it's one thing to atmbar the Surfer, but to stop a villian evenosy X-Men fans have to Google is another thing. Besides having so many plausible plot scenarios presented to you by various posters, you argue against rather than for T'Challa. Weak! I say weak appreciation. Other posters have real accumen for pointing out both stengths and weaknesses of T'Challa and Wakanda but you don't seem to take their word or scans for it. Or seem to stretch your mind enough to imagine a scenario where T'Chalka could win. Try it. Lay some believable plot scenario where T'Challa beats Adversary with the resources of Wakanda at his disposal. Try it. We will help. Baby steps......
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I get wanting to see your favorite character do cool stuff. That's why a lot of us here are mad about this book, because our favorite character isn't the one getting the Ws in his own books.
For two years all the best feats have been farmed out to everyone in his perimeter. If it wasn't for the cultural zeitgeist Black Panther is enjoying, thanks to his film appearances, this would be a recipe for plummeting sales (which are stable but not spectacular). It's not a sustainable way to keep a character popular.
If T'challa's main move is getting his friends to solve problems why do we even need T'challa in the first place?
That's how Coates' entire run has been to MANY of us.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742424]We wanted Wakanda to beat Adversary. Not just T'Challa. C'mo , Xpac. Keep up.[/QUOTE]
And all of Wakanda did play a part in beating adversary. Literally.
She couldn't have done it without them.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742475]X-Men were willing. Wakandans can't?[/QUOTE]
why would tchalla be ok with sacrificing wakandan lives?
[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3742483]There are [B]pages[/B] of me adding productive posts to this thread that are only related to BP.
I'd be shocked, but pleasantly suprised, if you have produce more than 10 posts in this thread that are solely related to Black Panther and not Storm or [U]me[/U].
I don't even really have an issue with you per se, the only real beef I've had with you was when it looked like you were purposely derailing the thread rather than just posting stuff I vehemently disagree with but doing it sincerely. I've seen the amount of dumb **** you put up with in your own thread.[/QUOTE]
yea I'm quite sure you have tons of "meaningful" posts here but understand I lurk here a lot. I dont contribute all the time as I wouldn't be able to add anything meaningful to some conversations as I havent read all the old issues prior to tchalla marrying ororo. here's the thing everyone who came to know tchalla wasnt by way of his solo books. I learned of him when hudlin wrote him with ororo because I was her fan. so if you are talking about post hudlin stuff that tie to stories where they are together I can add meaningful conversation in those areas. where is the rule that says you can only talk about tchalla and if so why are you not following it?
so you are absolutely right my posts often times will relate to tchalla and storm, or how storm has connected with wakanda based upon old and PRESENT stories. you will never see me come into a discussion and bring storm up UNLESS other posters here do it first. the reality is, you and some others are ok with ororo being discussed here when it is done in a denigrating way because you dont like how the marriage was handled or you dont like that coates made her a Wakandan god. my bad but that ain't my problem. if you dont want her discussed dont bring her up but seeing she is very much tied to wakanda, and she is in his book she will come up. and often times if not all the times it's the posters who complain that she shouldn't be brought up who being her up.
lastly I don't have a thread that I belong to. I post where I please when its relevant to the topics I want to discuss. I wasnt aware you had beef with me. you say I'm posting about you but it seems you are not only stalking me in the storm thread but you also seemed to forget you responded to me here first. I have no issues with any fans who post here, you included. if I see some incorrect things I will correct it. if I see some things that make me happy I will post that too but you will never ever see me post about storm here unless someone brings her up first because I understand the love hate relation some have here between her and her fans. but all of that is not my problem. those are yall hangups but dont let your personal hangups get you twisted to what's really happening. I'm not trolling or derailing simply stating facts as it pertains to 616 canon.
sn: stop being cocky you are not nearly on my brain as much as you would like to believe.
#kysses
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742489]Right. When I saw, Butterflykiss, that you didn't know the scene with T'Challa and Mephisto I knew you didn't know enough to make your argument of appreciation. And, it's one thing to atmbar the Surfer, but to stop a villian evenosy X-Men fans have to Google is another thing. Besides having so many plausible plot scenarios presented to you by various posters, you argue against rather than for T'Challa. Weak! I say weak appreciation. Other posters have real accumen for pointing out both stengths and weaknesses of T'Challa and Wakanda but you don't seem to take their word or scans for it. Or seem to stretch your mind enough to imagine a scenario where T'Chalka could win. Try it. Lay some believable plot scenario where T'Challa beats Adversary with the resources of Wakanda at his disposal. Try it. We will help. Baby steps......[/QUOTE]
first I asked for posters to explain to me the mephisto feat. secondly you don't have to know the ends and outs about a character to debate something as you have demonstrated because you were making suggestions that wouldn't make sense to contain or defeat adversary based upon past showings. no disrespect but do you not see the double standards here? it's ok to say things that contradict canon so long as it supports tchalla?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742440]it became her appreciation thread when BP fans kept bringing her up. over and over, and did I mention over again... oh the irony[/QUOTE]
Well until that GLORIOUS day we get an actual book called Black Panther that stars BLACK PANTHER-doing everything Batman and others do in their solos-be the STAR not the background.
Instead of this stealth Storm book. That as I have pointed out in Storm's thread-does her NO JUSTICE to have a lead in someone else's book.
Because in order to get to that next stage of evolution-she has to headline her OWN book. No matter the length of run.
Static did not get a tv shows by having a stealth solo in Robin.
Blade didn't get 3 movies by a stealth solo in Punisher.
Miles didn't get that movie in a stealth solo in Peter's book.
Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Jessica Cruz and others did not get where they are by stealth solos or duos in other folks books.
So when does Storm get a book called STORM? Especially in this era? Where there is a DEMAND for black heroes? Especially FEMALE ONES. Especially since DC has given up on black lead solos.
We got Riri, Moon Girl, Shuri, Midnight Angels & maybe Monica depending on Cap Marvel. Heck we got Valkyrie. Where is Storm?
#whereisthestormsolo?
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3742496]I get wanting to see your favorite character do cool stuff. That's why a lot of us here are mad about this book, because our favorite character isn't the one getting the Ws in his own books.
For two years all the best feats have been farmed out to everyone in his perimeter. If it wasn't for the cultural zeitgeist Black Panther is enjoying, thanks to his film appearances, this would be a recipe for plummeting sales (which are stable but not spectacular). It's not a sustainable way to keep a character popular.
If T'challa's main move is getting his friends to solve problems why do we even need T'challa in the first place?
That's how Coates' entire run has been to MANY of us.[/QUOTE]
They still need T'Challa, because he's the one telling them what to do.
But for those not interest in his supporting cast, this current arc might do the trick.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;3742525]Well until that GLORIOUS day we get an actual book called Black Panther that stars BLACK PANTHER-doing everything Batman and others do in their solos-be the STAR not the background.
Instead of this stealth Storm book. That as I have pointed out in Storm's thread-does her NO JUSTICE to have a lead in someone else's book.
Because in order to get to that next stage of evolution-she has to headline her OWN book. No matter the length of run.
Static did not get a tv shows by having a stealth solo in Robin.
Blade didn't get 3 movies by a stealth solo in Punisher.
Miles didn't get that movie in a stealth solo in Peter's book.
Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Jessica Cruz and others did not get where they are by stealth solos or duos in other folks books.
So when does Storm get a book called STORM? Especially in this era? Where there is a DEMAND for black heroes? Especially FEMALE ONES. Especially since DC has given up on black lead solos.
We got Riri, Moon Girl, Shuri, Midnight Angels & maybe Monica depending on Cap Marvel. Heck we got Valkyrie. Where is Storm?
#whereisthestormsolo?[/QUOTE]
storm wasnt even in a majority of the issues and the ones she was in she was predominantly featured in two of those. I already debunked the BP book being disguised as a storm book.
I agree with all you said. I like wha coates is doing with her and i think that is the approach he is taking by having her in BP and I'm guessing she will maybe appear even in captain America. it will happen boo. it will happen
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[QUOTE=XPac;3742538]They still need T'Challa, because he's the one telling them what to do.
But for those not interest in his supporting cast, this current arc might do the trick.[/QUOTE]
thank you! goddess I'm so happy you post here!!!
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742510]first I asked for posters to explain to me the mephisto feat. secondly you don't have to know the ends and outs about a character to debate something as you have demonstrated because you were making suggestions that wouldn't make sense to contain or defeat adversary based upon past showings. no disrespect but do you not see the double standards here? it's ok to say things that contradict canon so long as it supports tchalla?[/QUOTE]
They did. But please answer why the X franchise is allowed to defeat universal threats without outside franchise help and Wakanda cannot. It comes from the imagination and wanting the titular character to develop. Go and read the Mephisto story or the Doomwar story and come up with a plausible scenario where Wakanda wins without outside franchise influence. Not saying Storm can't be part of the story, but being a king with the resources at his command, why would T'Challa lay hands on any problem confronting Wakanda.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3742498]And all of Wakanda did play a part in beating adversary. Literally.
She couldn't have done it without them.[/QUOTE]
"She couldn't have done it without them". Your words Xpac, not mine. Storm could not have done it without Wakanda. In BP's own book. Sheesh.