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[QUOTE=Darkspellmaster;1016816]Oh absolutely. I'm surprised no writer actually had him pay reparations to Wakanda after the whole tidal wave in the first place. I really hate when writers ignore the fact that both these countries in reality would have formed some sort of alliance by now given the fact that both get screwed over a lot by the larger Marvel U in the first place. (Also Namor isn't a Mutant in the strictest sense so why the heck would he even be working with the X-men was beyond me.)
Although he wasn't outright gunning for the Queen or King, more like he was trying to attack the Avengers for having taken Transonic apparently. Doesn't make it at all better, and I really wish there was a scene where the two could have hashed out some sort of treaty after all this with restitutions paid by the Atlanteans and the X-men, and Avengers for all the crap that was pulled on Wakanda. (In turn T'challa and Wakanda help rebuild Atlantis. I think that would have been a fair trade off.)[/QUOTE]
The old Namor never would have been a proxy for Emma who goaded him into attacking Wakanda. I agree with you. Namor and T'Challa have enough respect for each other that both would have come together to discuss things after AvX. Namor would have explained his actions with an offer of any assistance. T'Challa would have been pretty reasonable I'd imagine.
And to be quite honest, what reason would Namor have to hold such animosity towards T'Challa and Wakanda in the first place? It sure wasn't because of Transonic because she was an after thought. Both nations share a similar worldview and they both have a huge amount of respect for each other. Like Spear of Bashenga said, all of these events wound up being very bad for Wakanda, Atlantis and Attilan. Everyone else got off with minor bruises.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;1015210]To be honest that fight with the Black Dwarf was a big wtf moment
I meet he fought him of screen and later we are just to assume that he defeated the Black Dwarf. Show his skill set and the tactics he used to defeat him not just reveal to us later that he won the fight without any clear evidence. That is why secret invasion is still one of my favourite panther books due to the fact that he was using his intellect as well as strength to kill a super skrull
This bullcrap also happened in the avengers disassemble prologue where falcon ,Iron Man, Black Panther and Ms Marvel where fighting a particular robot that came in the avengers mansion and later on it felt like t'challa just ran out of the issue and you did not see him on any page again. WTF?
Also T'Challa has been there for 49 years now and marvel can bother to give him some new toys, gadgets or power sets to please the fans. I don't mean to compare other characters but Batman has had a lot of weaponry that kind of put panther's toys to shame despite the fact that panther is from the most technological advanced nation in the marvel universe.
I don't think these writers give a damn about because they did, I won't be here ranting about it
PS: So marvel is till having trouble in finding a writer for BP but already have Drew Goddard who might direct the new spidey film? What a shame[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;1015398]I have no clue if he will ever return to handling business like that.[/QUOTE]
Definitely not under Hickman's pen.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;1016849]The old Namor never would have been a proxy for Emma who goaded him into attacking Wakanda. I agree with you. Namor and T'Challa have enough respect for each other that both would have come together to discuss things after AvX. Namor would have explained his actions with an offer of any assistance. T'Challa would have been pretty reasonable I'd imagine.[/quote]
This was partly why I threw up my hands in regard to the X-men during AvX. Emma getting Namor to follow her like that makes no sense. He's, as I've said in Namor's thread, like a fae. Charm and such should be part of his power set to get people to follow him rather then the reverse. Exactly, and I'm sure being the elder statesman if Shuri objected T'challa could have pointed out that Atlantis, like Wakanda, have been pretty much screwed over by various groups time and time again. It would look bad for her if she didn't accept, and both Kings would known that. Also I'm pretty sure that Atlantis would probably offer some sort of help with the burial of the dead. Maybe make some sort of memorial for both nations under water to show that they don't want to war with Wakanda. (But I'm pretty sure no writer right now would think of doing that to show maturity of the characters because it's so much easier having them fight and getting readers to go "T'challa is better" no "Namor is.)
[quote]And to be quite honest, what reason would Namor have to hold such animosity towards T'Challa and Wakanda in the first place? It sure wasn't because of Transonic because she was an after thought. Both nations share a similar worldview and they both have a huge amount of respect for each other. Like Spear of Bashenga said, all of these events wound up being very bad for Wakanda, Atlantis and Attilan. Everyone else got off with minor bruises.[/QUOTE]
Exactly! Only thing I can think of is that Wakanda didn't help out Namor back when his supposed Son took over and caused the US to go after Atlantis. Even then, I don't think Wakanda was in any shape to help, which probably was why Namor didn't go there in the first place. (Or rather the writers didn't think of it.) Unless it was something to do with Emma's powers mixed with the Pforce causing him to think Wakanda did something to them in the first place. Namor's distrustful of surface people, but even he knows that you don't go crashing into other kingdoms like that. Seriously I would love a series based on the idea of all the Kingdoms in Marvel just forming their own little group and making deals behind the backs of the other heroes just because they got screwed over by them so much.
"Oh you want us to attack the Inhumans? Sorry no can do, we have a treaty there."
"Atlantis giving you a hard time because you bungled communications again? We're their allies, not helping."
"Unless Latvia is starting a huge war we're not going in there."
"Wakanda's our ally, not helping you do a damn thing against them."
That would make for an interesting story. Almost like a hidden roundtable with all the Kings. (Doom, Namor, T'challa, Blackbolt (or Medusa), whatever other Kingdoms there are.)
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;1016849] It sure wasn't because of Transonic because she was an after thought. [/QUOTE]
It would have made a lot more sense if it was Loa.
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Ive been saying for years I want and there should be a series like that.:cool:
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[QUOTE=Darkspellmaster;1017108]This was partly why I threw up my hands in regard to the X-men during AvX. Emma getting Namor to follow her like that makes no sense. He's, as I've said in Namor's thread, like a fae. Charm and such should be part of his power set to get people to follow him rather then the reverse. Exactly, and I'm sure being the elder statesman if Shuri objected T'challa could have pointed out that Atlantis, like Wakanda, have been pretty much screwed over by various groups time and time again. It would look bad for her if she didn't accept, and both Kings would known that. Also I'm pretty sure that Atlantis would probably offer some sort of help with the burial of the dead. Maybe make some sort of memorial for both nations under water to show that they don't want to war with Wakanda. (But I'm pretty sure no writer right now would think of doing that to show maturity of the characters because it's so much easier having them fight and getting readers to go "T'challa is better" no "Namor is.)
Exactly! Only thing I can think of is that Wakanda didn't help out Namor back when his supposed Son took over and caused the US to go after Atlantis. Even then, I don't think Wakanda was in any shape to help, which probably was why Namor didn't go there in the first place. (Or rather the writers didn't think of it.) Unless it was something to do with Emma's powers mixed with the Pforce causing him to think Wakanda did something to them in the first place. Namor's distrustful of surface people, but even he knows that you don't go crashing into other kingdoms like that. Seriously I would love a series based on the idea of all the Kingdoms in Marvel just forming their own little group and making deals behind the backs of the other heroes just because they got screwed over by them so much.
"Oh you want us to attack the Inhumans? Sorry no can do, we have a treaty there."
"Atlantis giving you a hard time because you bungled communications again? We're their allies, not helping."
"Unless Latvia is starting a huge war we're not going in there."
"Wakanda's our ally, not helping you do a damn thing against them."
That would make for an interesting story. Almost like a hidden roundtable with all the Kings. (Doom, Namor, T'challa, Blackbolt (or Medusa), whatever other Kingdoms there are.)[/QUOTE]
Hudlin sort of tried that and Priest played with the idea as well. I thought something that should have spun out of Civil War.
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In regard to Black Panther's movie writer, I suspect it might be hard getting someone just right for this. Thor was lucky in that it had Kenith Braggana (sp?) doing the directing making it a bit Shakespearian in nature which really helped out in the story telling. I would say for a writer you need someone that:
1. Knows BP as a character and can see him as both a hero and a King.
2. Understanding how to present the culture where he's from.
3. Making the story easy for viewers to watch and get to know T'challa as a person.
4. The whole mystic aspect of him.
That's a lot to do, and if you get the wrong writer it's going to come off as bad.
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I'm not saying if I think they should direct but Grievioux and Hudlin should be involved somehow.
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;1017118]It would have made a lot more sense if it was Loa.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Moose100;1017120]Ive been saying for years I want and there should be a series like that.:cool:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;1017129]Hudlin sort of tried that and Priest played with the idea as well. I thought something that should have spun out of Civil War.[/QUOTE]
Loa would have made more sense, why did they make it Transonic in the first place? Connections to Hope and the lights?
The question is, why didn't it? Or did no one think to pitch it? As much as I love most of the writers at marvel, sometimes I think they don't look at their own books for ideas.
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[QUOTE=Darkspellmaster;1017142]Loa would have made more sense, why did they make it Transonic in the first place? Connections to Hope and the lights?
The question is, why didn't it? Or did no one think to pitch it? As much as I love most of the writers at marvel, sometimes I think they don't look at their own books for ideas.[/QUOTE]
Well at the start they actually said NA was that book I think it morphed alot.
Abnett should handle it :D He's the most underutilized writer next to Waid.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;1016803]Steve didn't go after Namor after AvX nor did he go after the Cabal even after he knew Wakanda got destroyed and millions died. He didn't call out rest of the world for allowing it to happen either.[/QUOTE]
He actually did try and arrest Namor after AvX, but pretty much much dropped chasing after them when other matters came up. Same will likely happen here.
Why he didn't target the Cabal is a good question. It's a bit of a plot hole honestly.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;1016782]The same can be said for Namor because of his attack on Wakanda in AvX. How many enemies of Wakanda have been executed for merely attacking Wakanda itself?[/QUOTE]
On the flip side, Klaw killed T'Challa's dad (king at the time) and he's still alive and well today. Doom is alive and well as we speak, and I don't imagine Namor or T'Challa are really going anywhere either.
Marvel's not gonna kill off perfectly good characters, anymore than they're going to allow perfectly good character to sit in a jail cell for any length of time. WHich isn't to say there won't be consequences... the Illuminati and Namor are hardly having a picnic in this story. But they won't be spending time in jail cells or pine boxes. 2-3 years down the line for better or for worse we'll likely be back at status quo.
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I voted Quicksilver over Namor because of what Namor did to Wakanda.
T'challa is awesome!
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[QUOTE=XPac;1017212]
Why he didn't target the Cabal is a good question. It's a bit of a plot hole honestly.[/QUOTE]
Because the characters don't matter inthis story. The story is trumping the characters big time.