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[QUOTE=iblogalot;2270516] But whatever happened to N'Baza and B'Tumba? Never mentioned again, like so many other early BP characters.
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I'm pretty sure a retelling of that story had N'Baza be one of T'Challa's uncles and B'Tumba his cousin. Other than that, you can consider them an older version of S'Yan and his son, I guess.
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[size=4]Not in the best image quality because it's not on sale yet (hence, no glamour shots), but this is quite beautiful.[/size]
Painted version:
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Printed version:
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2269960]
Could you please state where the scans are from?[/quote]
Over the edge #6
Nelson is handling the case of getting Klaw extradited to Wakanda. Klaw breaks free and nearly kills Nelson. T'challa is captured, behind the plot was Killmonger who is working with Klaw.
DD gets T'chalal out fo the suicide bomb he was attached to. DD takes on Klaw, T'challa takes on Killmonger. T'challa wins. Sends the kid int eh story with the a vibranium belt buckle thing to give to DD which allows him to beat Klaw.
Not a bad single issue story actually. Seems to cram a lot of mentiosn of killmongers previous encounters (mentions panthers rage fight, mentions the IM annual fight and how it wasn't his true self).
[quote]
I'd have to doublecheck. Regarding Gillis, I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually earlier. I know Avengers 112 had a Lion God that was a rival of the Black Panther, so I suspect it comes from at least that far back. I think the White Gorilla cult and M'Baku predates McGregor. It's important to remember there are a lot of random issues of Avengers or Black Panther Vol. 1 (post-Kirby) that had an influence we usually forget about. I think the having to fight for the throne comes from back then, which is something Hudlin copied.[/QUOTE]
It did. mbaku goes way back to like avengers 70's range I think
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2270864]Over the edge #6
Nelson is handling the case of getting Klaw extradited to Wakanda. Klaw breaks free and nearly kills Nelson. T'challa is captured, behind the plot was Killmonger who is working with Klaw.
DD gets T'chalal out fo the suicide bomb he was attached to. DD takes on Klaw, T'challa takes on Killmonger. T'challa wins. Sends the kid int eh story with the a vibranium belt buckle thing to give to DD which allows him to beat Klaw.
Not a bad single issue story actually. Seems to cram a lot of mentiosn of killmongers previous encounters (mentions panthers rage fight, mentions the IM annual fight and how it wasn't his true self).
It did. mbaku goes way back to like avengers 70's range I think[/QUOTE]
Okay, DD had a vibranium belt buckle. I was wondering how DD was laying the Smackdown on Klaw. That just looked wrong.
I almost feel sorry for Klaw. He's one of the most powerful villains when used to his full potential. But because of his weakness, he's also one of the easiest to beat. Especially or T'Challa. It's tough finding the right middle ground with him.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2270955]Okay, DD had a vibranium belt buckle. I was wondering how DD was laying the Smackdown on Klaw. That just looked wrong.
I almost feel sorry for Klaw. He's one of the most powerful villains when used to his full potential. But because of his weakness, he's also one of the easiest to beat. Especially or T'Challa. It's tough finding the right middle ground with him.[/QUOTE]
DD was holding his own, even punching the constructs, pre belt buckle (killmonger actualyl had the belt buckle thing because he (correctly) expected Klaw to turn on him.) But the buckle allowed him to actually defeat him.
Actually weird T'challa didn't bring anything with him though considering he was at the court case because of klaw lol.
Yeah... poor Klaw.
Thing about "Klaws of the Panther" is that... that story should have been a huge event because it was true. T'challa just destroyed the one thign int he world that stopped Klaw. He would be virtually unstoppable after T'challa destroyed the vibranium.
Well... that and gold balls. Maybe Gold balls... gold balsl are vibranium laced lol
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[QUOTE=XPac;2270955]Okay, DD had a vibranium belt buckle. I was wondering how DD was laying the Smackdown on Klaw. That just looked wrong.
I almost feel sorry for Klaw. He's one of the most powerful villains when used to his full potential. But because of his weakness, he's also one of the easiest to beat. Especially or T'Challa. It's tough finding the right middle ground with him.[/QUOTE]
It would be like if Superman were compelled to attack Kryptoniteburg or Kryptoniteville all the time.
Of course the writers have to make Klaw just dumb enough to attack directly all the time so's he can lose as
opposed to going the evil overlord with henchmen route.
But one of the things that I really like about Klaw is that he's indestructable and technically immortal(look at all the stuff he's survived).
Dude's not just a threat......he's an existential threat.
He's this inhuman thing that might as well spent eternity trying to get payback. What else does it have to do?
Its a sapient soundwave with a gun for a hand.
T'Challa's Great-Grandkids will be fighting Klaw if he never reforms.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2271019]It would be like if Superman were compelled to attack Kryptoniteburg or Kryptoniteville all the time.
Of course the writers have to make Klaw just dumb enough to attack directly all the time so's he can lose as
opposed to going the evil overlord with henchmen route.
But one of the things that I really like about Klaw is that he's indestructable and technically immortal(look at all the stuff he's survived).
Dude's not just a threat......he's an existential threat.
He's this inhuman thing that might as well spent eternity trying to get payback. What else does it have to do?
Its a sapient soundwave with a gun for a hand.
T'Challa's Great-Grandkids will be fighting Klaw if he never reforms.[/QUOTE]
Yep. Him resurrecting constantly is a plus (except when hes wasted by Bendis and Co).
shit, T'challa's "killed" him like... 4? times (F4 53, Kirby, Priest, Who is the black Panther), Shuri kinda killed him in Klaws.
Still would like it if his "non BP" appearances were retconned into being sound clones though. Because... GoldBalls lol
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2271033]Yep. Him resurrecting constantly is a plus (except when hes wasted by Bendis and Co).
shit, T'challa's "killed" him like... 4? times (F4 53, Kirby, Priest, Who is the black Panther), Shuri kinda killed him in Klaws.
Still would like it if his "non BP" appearances were retconned into being sound clones though. Because... GoldBalls lol[/QUOTE]
I suppose that can explain why T'Challa's not overly obsessed with killing the man who murdered his father.
Kill a guy 4-5 times, and you probaby start getting it out of your system.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2271019]It would be like if Superman were compelled to attack Kryptoniteburg or Kryptoniteville all the time.
Of course the writers have to make Klaw just dumb enough to attack directly all the time so's he can lose as
opposed to going the evil overlord with henchmen route.
But one of the things that I really like about Klaw is that he's indestructable and technically immortal(look at all the stuff he's survived).
Dude's not just a threat......he's an existential threat.
He's this inhuman thing that might as well spent eternity trying to get payback. What else does it have to do?
Its a sapient soundwave with a gun for a hand.
T'Challa's Great-Grandkids will be fighting Klaw if he never reforms.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, in a lot of ways I do think Klaw and T'Challa match up pretty poorly as far as arch enemies go. It's either potentially too hard or too easy. Tough finding a middle ground.
But you can never really seperate them, because their history is so interlocked. Klaw killed T'Challa's dad and T'Challa was responsible or Klaw losing his hand and body. There's too much personal history for them to move on (even though I think a lot of their stories somewhat underplay the personal issues between them... the Priest fight being the big exception).
It's sort of weird that the movies sort of nerfed that aspect. Klaw is seemingly still going to be used, but Zemo sort of stole Klaws thunder.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2271069]Yeah, in a lot of ways I do think Klaw and T'Challa match up pretty poorly as far as arch enemies go. It's either potentially too hard or too easy. Tough finding a middle ground.
But you can never really seperate them, because their history is so interlocked. Klaw killed T'Challa's dad and T'Challa was responsible or Klaw losing his hand and body. There's too much personal history for them to move on (even though I think a lot of their stories somewhat underplay the personal issues between them... the Priest fight being the big exception).
It's sort of weird that the movies sort of nerfed that aspect. Klaw is seemingly still going to be used, but Zemo sort of stole Klaws thunder.[/QUOTE]
I have no love lost on Klaw not being T'chaka's killer. Maybe im apathetic bc hes so wasted in the comics.
Klaw has the claim of fame of not only breaking into Wakanda, and stealing Vibranium... but also getting out. That is almost more impressive at this point.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2271033]Yep. Him resurrecting constantly is a plus (except when hes wasted by Bendis and Co).
shit, T'challa's "killed" him like... 4? times (F4 53, Kirby, Priest, Who is the black Panther), Shuri kinda killed him in Klaws.
Still would like it if his "non BP" appearances were retconned into being sound clones though. Because... GoldBalls lol[/QUOTE]
[B]Yea its crazy. Klaw could of actually been a major threat after T'challa destroyed the Vibranium. I wouldn't of minded if it was an actual mini event as well to have more heroes come together and struggle to defeat Klaw. Even With Vibranium Klaw should start developing a way to counter or reduce the effect Vibranium has on him. Having such an huge weakness that can be easily exploited should come with a sort of dampener or counter. [/B]
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;2270708][size=4]Not in the best image quality because it's not on sale yet (hence, no glamour shots), but this is quite beautiful.[/size]
Painted version:
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That is amazing.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2271095][B]Yea its crazy. Klaw could of actually been a major threat after T'challa destroyed the Vibranium. I wouldn't of minded if it was an actual mini event as well to have more heroes come together and struggle to defeat Klaw. Even With Vibranium Klaw should start developing a way to counter or reduce the effect Vibranium has on him. Having such an huge weakness that can be easily exploited should come with a sort of dampener or counter. [/B][/QUOTE]
I thought he did in Priest's run?
I thougth I remember him having a counter to vibranium... but then T'challa had a counter for his counter (attached the Kymoyo card to his ancestor dagger thing).
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2271095][B]Yea its crazy. Klaw could of actually been a major threat after T'challa destroyed the Vibranium. I wouldn't of minded if it was an actual mini event as well to have more heroes come together and struggle to defeat Klaw. Even With Vibranium Klaw should start developing a way to counter or reduce the effect Vibranium has on him. Having such an huge weakness that can be easily exploited should come with a sort of dampener or counter. [/B][/QUOTE]
I like Klaw, but as far as him being a major threat I think that ship has kinda sailed. In McDuffies FF T'Challa had Klaw beat in like 2 panels. T'Challa at this point has stuff lying around which is capable of defeating Klaw... and it makes sense that he would given how many times they have fought. But once it's established that it's just that easy for T'challa to beat him, it's tougher to go the other direction unless Klaw gets a major sort of upgrade.
I guess Klaws of the Panther was sort of a mini event. Didn't read it because of the art though. Did Klaw come out looking okay there?
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[QUOTE=XPac;2269979]Assuming those scans are in-continuity, it sort of puts readers in a bind. [/QUOTE]
Is there any reason why the story those scans were taken from, should not be in-continuity?
How exactly does that put any "readers in a bind" as you've surmised?
[QUOTE=XPac;2269979]Not one but 2 different back to back BP writers have said Killmonger never lost to T'Challa. Do we assume the BP writers are wrong, or do we give priority to the actual BP writers and effectively consider their books retconning away the loses.[/QUOTE]
I have no problem calling or pointing out where a writer may have gotten something wrong and where Marvel Editorial have proven to be woefully lackadaisical where adherence to continuity is concerned, it's easy to see how errors like this occur.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2271129]
I guess Klaws of the Panther was sort of a mini event. Didn't read it because of the art though. Did Klaw come out looking okay there?[/QUOTE]
He had a plan to turn everyone on Earth into his slave. He was basically unstoppable.
he only lost because the other "sound being" (named MUSIC or something) he created turned on him after Shuri showed mercy and didin't kill her.
The mini was more about controlling Shuri's rage and blood lust more than anything.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2271166]He had a plan to turn everyone on Earth into his slave. He was basically unstoppable.
he only lost because the other "sound being" (named MUSIC or something) he created turned on him after Shuri showed mercy and didin't kill her.
The mini was more about controlling Shuri's rage and blood lust more than anything.[/QUOTE]
Being "unstoppable" sounds like a pretty good showing.
A shame from the sound of it, no one really read the story. He probably needs a few more unstoppable showings.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2271107]I thought he did in Priest's run?
I thougth I remember him having a counter to vibranium... but then T'challa had a counter for his counter (attached the Kymoyo card to his ancestor dagger thing).[/QUOTE]
[B]Yea he did, it's just more so what I'm getting at is that he should be finding new ways to get stronger. Or Actually I wouldn't mind if it came dowb to T'Challa needing to use shadow Physics to hurt klaw or klaw mixes with it. I just want him to not be T'Challas and gold ball's whipping boy[/B]
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[QUOTE=XPac;2271183]Being "unstoppable" sounds like a pretty good showing.
A shame from the sound of it, no one really read the story. He probably needs a few more unstoppable showings.[/QUOTE]
[B]This can be fixed if he mutates since he is living sound, have him be protecting himself as sound clones (mentioning that these clones are only 25% of his power) and make him a Big threat. Like taking on done Avengers team's and beating them solo. Then they have to call in T'challa to save them [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2271250][B]Yea he did, it's just more so what I'm getting at is that he should be finding new ways to get stronger. Or Actually I wouldn't mind if it came dowb to T'Challa needing to use shadow Physics to hurt klaw or klaw mixes with it. I just want him to not be T'Challas and gold ball's whipping boy[/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I think somewhere down the line the Black Panther book really needs to do a Klaw arc which really sets him up as a beast (maybe around the time of the BP movie).
If the character is going to be rehabilitated, it likely needs to be in T'Challa's book. Maybe Coates can give Klaw a shot somewhere down the line.
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Klaw needs to not be called Klaw. It's a stupid name that sounds like the Inspector Gadget villain and doesn't accurately reflect is powerset. People can refer to him as Klaue, but he should really be called Cacophony or Reverb or something like that.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2271296]Yeah, I think somewhere down the line the Black Panther book really needs to do a Klaw arc which really sets him up as a beast (maybe around the time of the BP movie).
If the character is going to be rehabilitated, it likely needs to be in T'Challa's book. Maybe Coates can give Klaw a shot somewhere down the line.[/QUOTE]
[B]I don;t think it would be hard, and it would be a perfect opportunity for retcon all the crap he has gone through that has relegated a potential A list near cosmic level threat. to d list status getting jobbed by sh** throw away characters like gold balls.[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2271430][B]I don;t think it would be hard, and it would be a perfect opportunity for retcon all the crap he has gone through that has relegated a potential A list near cosmic level threat. to d list status getting jobbed by sh** throw away characters like gold balls.[/B][/QUOTE]
Course, for Klaw to really get put over the writer would probably have to do things that some on this board might not wanna see more of ... he's probably going to have to really kick T'Challa and Wakanda's @$$ for the first part of the story. This can't be the easy win that T'Challa and a few other heroes have had over Klaw in the past. To put Klaw over as an A list villain candidate T'Challa would really need to struggle against him. Klaw would REALLY have to present himself as a threat to Wakanda. It can't just be another super hero/villain scuffle.
I agree it potentially can be done. But part of me wonders if it's not easier to just pick a different villain to elevate. One will less baggage. A Killmonger story for example is much easier to do. But I guess it's worth a shot, since he is T'Challas arch nemesis.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2271454]Course, for Klaw to really get put over the writer would probably have to do things that some on this board might not wanna see more of ... he's probably going to have to really kick T'Challa and Wakanda's @$$ for the first part of the story. This can't be the easy win that T'Challa and a few other heroes have had over Klaw in the past. To put Klaw over as an A list villain candidate T'Challa would really need to struggle against him. Klaw would REALLY have to present himself as a threat to Wakanda. It can't just be another super hero/villain scuffle.
I agree it potentially can be done. But part of me wonders if it's not easier to just pick a different villain to elevate. One will less baggage. A Killmonger story for example is much easier to do. But I guess it's worth a shot, since he is T'Challas arch nemesis.[/QUOTE]
If Penguin can be redeemed, nearly any baddie can.
And unlike say, Dr. Octopus or the Vulture there actually is a threat level there.
Against those guys Spider_Man's biggest worry is (or should be) killing them by accident.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2271454]Course, for Klaw to really get put over the writer would probably have to do things that some on this board might not wanna see more of ... he's probably going to have to really kick T'Challa and Wakanda's @$$ for the first part of the story. This can't be the easy win that T'Challa and a few other heroes have had over Klaw in the past. To put Klaw over as an A list villain candidate T'Challa would really need to struggle against him. Klaw would REALLY have to present himself as a threat to Wakanda. It can't just be another super hero/villain scuffle.
I agree it potentially can be done. But part of me wonders if it's not easier to just pick a different villain to elevate. One will less baggage. A Killmonger story for example is much easier to do. But I guess it's worth a shot, since he is T'Challas arch nemesis.[/QUOTE]
[B]It could be done similar to Klaws of the panther. T'Challa could struggle against him yes but it needs to be within a reasonable and believable scenario. Not some stupid DW crap where he is outsmarted by a doom bot and gets hit with a attack that several other heroes have been hit with and shrugged off before. [/B]
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Doc had that arc where he had the world by the balls with his sun burn the earth thing once
And then took over peters body
So... theres hope for klaw right? Lol
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Coates announced that Black Panther past the current 12 issues with have some of the same supporting cast and Stelfreeze returning on art, with a focus on religion. Thoughts?
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[QUOTE=Thenames9;2271882]Coates announced that Black Panther past the current 12 issues with have some of the same supporting cast and Stelfreeze returning on art, with a focus on religion. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]
Coates getting the frak away from the BP mythos would be a fine thing indeed.
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the way BP is selling he might be on for at least 25 issues if not 50ish.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;2271919]the way BP is selling he might be on for at least 25 issues if not 50ish.[/QUOTE]
That's unfortunate for the character.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;2271919]the way BP is selling he might be on for at least 25 issues if not 50ish.[/QUOTE]
Coates is aiming for 60 issues. He'll be writing BP for a while.
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[QUOTE=Thenames9;2271882]Coates announced that Black Panther past the current 12 issues with have some of the same supporting cast and Stelfreeze returning on art, with a focus on religion. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]
I kinda curious how Wakandans view Bast these days, so I do hope they cover that down the line.
Also think it would be kinda cool if thr other animal cults got more play. It's a fertile area as far as building up potential new rogues and even heroes.
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Screenshot of Coates' tweets.
[IMG]https://s12.postimg.org/patrotyb1/Screenshot_2016_09_01_16_39_57.png[/IMG]
EDIT: The "power cosmic" thing is a joke, btw.
[IMG]https://s12.postimg.org/ezhew66lp/Screenshot_2016_09_01_16_40_22.png[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2270864]Over the edge #6[/QUOTE]
Ugh, Marvel Edge. Yeah, that's definitely in-continuity if anyone was questioning it. But it's really 90s, so take it with a grain of salt. ;)
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2271988]Screenshot of Coates' tweets.
[IMG]https://s12.postimg.org/patrotyb1/Screenshot_2016_09_01_16_39_57.png[/IMG]
[IMG]https://s12.postimg.org/ezhew66lp/Screenshot_2016_09_01_16_40_22.png[/IMG]
[IMG]https://s12.postimg.org/dj5we13ot/Screenshot_2016_09_01_16_40_43.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I assume the power cosmic thing was a joke, but given the Ultimates will be working with Galactus ya never know.
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Klaw is basically Electro. These guys have tremendous powers but really suck. He's grown very powerful and very useless over the past few years.
I would reduce his power levels to about half, maybe even have his body not composed of sound anymore. It's too much of a weakness for him. He needs a tutorial by Sue Richards on how to develop his power.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2272052][B]I assume the power cosmic thing was a joke[/B], but given the Ultimates will be working with Galactus ya never know.[/QUOTE]
Yea, he was joking on that one.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2271988]Screenshot of Coates' tweets.
[IMG]https://s12.postimg.org/patrotyb1/Screenshot_2016_09_01_16_39_57.png[/IMG]
EDIT: The "power cosmic" thing is a joke, btw.
[IMG]https://s12.postimg.org/ezhew66lp/Screenshot_2016_09_01_16_40_22.png[/IMG]
[IMG]https://s12.postimg.org/dj5we13ot/Screenshot_2016_09_01_16_40_43.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I swear if the pope beats up T'Challa I'm going to snap
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2271988]Screenshot of Coates' tweets.
[IMG]https://s12.postimg.org/patrotyb1/Screenshot_2016_09_01_16_39_57.png[/IMG]
EDIT: The "power cosmic" thing is a joke, btw.
[IMG]https://s12.postimg.org/ezhew66lp/Screenshot_2016_09_01_16_40_22.png[/IMG]
[IMG]https://s12.postimg.org/dj5we13ot/Screenshot_2016_09_01_16_40_43.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[B] Despite the joke, i truely hope that Coates intends on making T'Challa out to be the powerhouse that he truely is. Not this enhanced, but take on class 100+ and Cosmic Beings and coming out in Top levels. He needs to come off like the true threat that he is as we have seen in previous versions.[/B]