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It shouldn't be forgotten that the rest of the Illuminati still don't know that Namor pointed Thanos towards Wakanda. I don't think that's going to remain a secret. It also can't be forgotten that Namor and Black Swan have some sort of deal in place.
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;363865]This whole saga really strengthens why these guys have supporting characters who help humanize them.
No Happy, Pepper, & Rhodey....
No Wong....
No Medusa & the royal family...
No Rick Jones....
Heck, no Everett Ross, Ramonda, etc....
No Sue & Ben....
The folks who would keep these guys grounded, and challenge them to think outside the box when finding solutions, are no where in site.[/QUOTE]
Great point and observation!
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;363871]It shouldn't be forgotten that the rest of the Illuminati still don't know that Namor pointed Thanos towards Wakanda. I don't think that's going to remain a secret. It also can't be forgotten that Namor and Black Swan have some sort of deal in place.[/QUOTE]
Yes. I got a feeling that all hell is going to break loose he next few issues. You have the Cabal pretty much in Wakanda.
The new Illuminati seems weak in comparison to the Cabal. They need to add Hyperion or something.
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[QUOTE=Victor Freeman;363855]The former. His fathers talk about Mercy and then Namor actions will haunt him. Look at the first scene that was repeated. T'chaka asked him why he was still around and Namor given mercy has causes a lot of pain for him and Wakanda.
I think he might be cold hearted as hell after this.
But like you said, who knows. I just see T'chaka Mercy molding him because more tragedy is coming.
I'm not entertaining the haters at all. Lol[/QUOTE]
Shoot, the haters entertain themselves. Had it been BP who pulled the trigger, those same haters would be posting about how much of a heartless bastard BP is. As it was Namor, some folks are throwing rose pedals at his feet.
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;363884]Shoot, the haters entertain themselves. Had it been BP who pulled the trigger, those same haters would be posting about how much of a heartless bastard BP is. As it was Namor, some folks are throwing rose pedals at his feet.[/QUOTE]
Yup. Lol.
I'm not really getting into the back and forth. I'm only mentioning Namor in regard to how the story plays out and how I think it will end. I'll just say, I'm glad T'challa didn't kill billions of people. I'm always thinking about the end game and it doesn't look good for some. I think people are about about Listening to Swan. Cap was right. So these guys should have been trying to pull a Capt. Kirk, instead of blowing up worlds.
I'm excited at the possibility that T'challa will figure it out.
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;363819]I have read some of the comments of the BP haters. If they already hated BP, this recent story will only solidify their negative opinion.
Some may see this as.....he is finally being humble.
Who knows?
A part of me really feels sorry for BP. As other have stated, he is truly alone, except for Reed.
He can come out of this really stone-hearted like he was during the epic moments of the Priest & Geoff Johns era, or he could go the Happy Pants route.
I am curious to see how this all turns out.[/QUOTE]
To me this story has been about loss. All of the heroes in it has lost something vital or personal to them. Namor his Throne, T'Challa his family, Dr. Strange his soul...
In FF 604 - 605 Bast said to Reed and us the reader, that T'Challa will need him in this. So I expected T'Challa to lose a 'lot' in this event as well.
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[QUOTE=Victor Freeman;363787]Another thing. T'chaka was right about mercy. All the things that Namor has done, from leading Thanos to the bombs and pledging and bending his knee to Proxima and sending it against Wakanda. To starting the fight with GS, to joining the cabal. We could end up with a more ruthless T'challa. Had he killed him, some of these things would not have come to pass. Food for thought.[/QUOTE]
Another way to look at it is if Tchalla HAD killed Namor they would ALL be dead now and whatever
solution they eventually end up finding would never have come to pass.
Everybody has thier part to play.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;363920]Xxx
Another way to look at it is if Tchalla HAD killed Namor they would ALL be dead now and whatever
solution they eventually end up finding would never have come to pass.[/QUOTE]
Or they would have spent time trying to figure it out, instead of being ambushed by in Necropolis by Thanos goons after he directed them there. They just killed the guys who had beat it time and time again. Maybe they should have talked? Again Hickman has already said hey are wrong, we just don't know why or how.
Why didn't they use the GS version is infinity gems? I forget, but they could have did that.
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[QUOTE=Victor Freeman;363912]Yup. Lol.
I'm not really getting into the back and forth. I'm only mentioning Namor in regard to how the story plays out and how I think it will end. I'll just say, I'm glad T'challa didn't kill billions of people. I'm always thinking about the end game and it doesn't look good for some. I think people are about about Listening to Swan. Cap was right. So these guys should have been trying to pull a Capt. Kirk, instead of blowing up worlds.
I'm excited at the possibility that T'challa will figure it out.[/QUOTE]
BP is pretty low in terms of morale, he can only raise up, now.
I actually wonder if this will be the John Stewart Xanshi, "Pym" or "Starfox" moment for Namor. One moment where a character becomes known for one thing, regardless of the circumstances leading up to it. Will later writers use this story to define Namor as a perpetrator of planetcide?
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[QUOTE=TheCat;363915]To me this story has been about loss. All of the heroes in it has lost something vital or personal to them. Namor his Throne, T'Challa his family, Dr. Strange his soul...
In FF 604 - 605 Bast said to Reed and us the reader, that T'Challa will need him in this. So I expected T'Challa to lose a 'lot' in this event as well.[/QUOTE]
Everyone but that chump, Beast, are taking loses.
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;363954]BP is pretty low in terms of morale, he can only raise up, now.
I actually wonder if this will be the John Stewart Xanshi, "Pym" or "Starfox" moment for Namor. One moment where a character becomes known for one thing, regardless of the circumstances leading up to it. Will later writers use this story to define Namor as a perpetrator of planetcide?[/QUOTE]
He will die and get mind wiped or something. But it court happen. Outside of Cbr, it's not really a good look.
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[QUOTE=Victor Freeman;363995]He will die and get mind wiped or something. But it court happen. Outside of Cbr, it's not really a good look.[/QUOTE]
I guess we will have a good ideal when the 8 month jump occurs.
We will really know once this story has concluded, and subsequent writers take on Namor.
The same way some writers hate Pym when they were kids may end up as the creative force of Namor's adventures.
Well, some in editorial may fight harder for Namor than they did for Pym & Starfox.
I would hate for editorial to go the Hal Jordan route with Namor.
I am glad BP could not pull the trigger.
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;363958]Everyone but that chump, Beast, are taking loses.[/QUOTE]
Ha, ha. You're right about that. Do you remember those back issues, when it appeared that he was merely standing still, a passenger,
while all of the drama and chaos rocked around him. It could of been the artist impression in those pages, though it did become a frequent
montage of the beast looking but doing nothing.
Not hating... but I think that Professor X was the desired protagonist, JH would have chosen to represent the mutants, but he was robbed of him by the events of AvX.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;363871][B]It shouldn't be forgotten that the rest of the Illuminati still don't know that Namor pointed Thanos towards Wakanda. I don't think that's going to remain a secret.[/B] It also can't be forgotten that Namor and Black Swan have some sort of deal in place.[/QUOTE]
It won't.
[url]http://marvel.com/news/comics/2014/3/18/22161/learn_the_avengers_original_sin_as_captain_america_remembers_everything[/url]
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[QUOTE=TheCat;364028]Ha, ha. You're right about that. Do you remember those back issues, when it appeared that he was merely standing still, a passenger,
while all of the drama and chaos rocked around him. It could of been the artist impression in those pages, though it did become a frequent
montage of the beast looking but doing nothing.
Not hating... but I think that Professor X was the desired protagonist, JH would have chosen to represent the mutants, but he was robbed of him by the events of AvX.[/QUOTE]
I used to be a Beast fan, but the writing has soured me on the X-Men franchise in recent years. Based on what I have read in some threads, Beast only shows signs of life when the name Scott is mentioned.
I believe the preferred choice would have been Xavier, but that is not unusual. Xavier was not around when the decision was made to launch Hulk into orbit. I would have taken Scott, or Emma, but they may have been unavailable.