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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;371278]Yes, we could all do with more scenes of T'Challa, the crying King of the Dead. [/QUOTE]
I agree, if only to help undo the idea that men shouldn't.
[QUOTE]If the former Kings of Wakanda had been as indecisive and wishy washy as T'Challa has been post Doomwar, he wouldn't have had a kingdom to inherit in the first place and as far as "every other human being sacrificed as long as Wakanda prevailed, isn't that Namor did in the first instance by aiming Proxima Midnight and Thanos's entire forces straight at Wakanda and now in the second instance by annihilating the Great Society's home planet?[/QUOTE]
Yes, good spotting. Namor is indeed a grade A+ ass-hat.
[QUOTE]Wakanda's previous Kings did their duty with diligence which is more than can be said for T'Challa who in recent times abandoned his people to go "find himself" in Matt Murdoch's Hell's Kitchen, given succour to the Avengers during AvX which led to this....
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What I see here is Namor destroying a city. I dont see how that is T'Challa's fault. That is like saying its mutants fault if the Sentinels are built by paranoid humans and then take over the world.
[QUOTE]T'Challa written in character would not have jeapordised his people in the first place by keeping the threat of the Incursions from his sister in the first place and this for me, is where all this T'Challa is heroically stoic and human stuff falls apart at the seams for me. [/QUOTE]
Black Bolt brought Maximus into the Illuminati equation and Bruce Banner has now been inducted to the same august body so as far as I'm concerned there's no acceptable reason for Shuri to be kept in the dark as to what's happening underneath her very nose. [/QUOTE]
I agree that all the Illuminati made a hubris based mistake to keep this to themselves. They are now paying the price.
[QUOTE]It has not yet been revealed whether T'Challa has actually alerted the parents of the three young Wakandan's slaughtered by Black Swan's hench men as to their childrens deaths so to be quite frank, I don't see T'Challa as being particularly heroic at this juncture. [/QUOTE]
Another fair point. Hickman dropped the ball there.
[QUOTE]Are you saying that Namor see's the world the same way Doom does?[/QUOTE]
He is proud, arrogant, unswerving in his opinions, and believes the ends justifies the means.
I'll grant you at this point he is not quite the megalomaniac Doom is but hey, it's early days.
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I'm going to just let this story play out because even after T'Challa couldn't pull the trigger you can't convince me that any of those black panthers (Shuri included) are greater than him. He's the true king and if blowing up planets is not the way then that's what it is. Namor did what he did and it kept every one in 616 alive, but T'Challa and the rest will pull through.
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Some fan art
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Did Black Bolt even bring Maximus into this I'm pretty sure he was spying on Black Bolt
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I like that.
So BP Fans are a house divided that is not good considering we are always under attack.
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;371438]Some fan art
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Did Black Bolt even bring Maximus into this I'm pretty sure he was spying on Black Bolt[/QUOTE]
Whhooooaa!!!
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[QUOTE=taozen;371047]This has been an interesting debate. It seems that Hickman is doing a number of things with T'Challa. First of all Hickman continues to decontruct T'Challa with his involvment with the illuminati. T'Challa's decisions have cost him his contry, his family and now his ancestors. Hickman continues to strip more and more from him.
In those posted pages, Hickman also displayed something else. He showed what T'Challa was first and foremost in those pages: A Hero. All of the other heroes outright refused to pull the trigger. T'Challa has always been defined as a King first and then a hero. He was a man that would make Kingly decisions that would go directly against that a "super hero" would make. T'Challa believed he could pull the trigger. He did so on a dead planet with regret. But to kill a planet full of life, he and all the other heroes said, "No." Namor is not a classic hero. In fact he has been a villain so he was able to pull the trigger. Hickman said in those pages that now T'Challa is a hero.
Now the question is since Hickman has been decontructing T'Challa and some of the other illuminati, how will he reconstuct T'Challa? (Even though I still do no see any major sacrifice Reed, Tony, or Hank have made thus far. But they are also characters featured in other books.)[/QUOTE]
Excellent post.
man I hate that I missed this debate I got alot to go over.
Some thing about that opening sequence in this series when was talking about "the stars themselves" it almost sounded like he was talking about himself. Like it was forshadowing of his role not necessarily in this series but Tchalla's role or maybe ne w role in the MU. It always felt like to me he would become some sort of space hero or something.
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Wake me up when Black Panther makes A-list... That's all I care about!
So uhm T'challa was catching feelings... So this is where we are at now? :confused:
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Point Man: "STOP THE RANGE ROVER SIR... I think I Priest Black Panther over there sulking in the gutter so let's wash him up and put him back in play before all this broken phallic symbol Dora spears drama infects the rest of the intellectual property!"
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;371320]What difference will safeguarding Shuri's soul do if T'Challa's folly in having all of these monsters on Wakandan soil.....
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leads to her body being shattered and even more Wakandan lives lost?
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I think not indeed.[/QUOTE]
Dont most nations have prisons. These people are imprisoned in Necropolis, not running around with Wakandan school children. Are they a threat, if they got out, of course. But that is true of any prison. Its true of the Raft, its true of Triskellion, and so forth.
Now unless you think just killing them and being done with it is the better solution albeit Thanos and Midnight are in a living death. I have been saying that B Swizzle should have had met the wrong end of a spear months ago.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;371320]What difference will safeguarding Shuri's soul do if T'Challa's folly in having all of these monsters on Wakandan soil......[/QUOTE]
It is strange that T'challa decided to do all of this on the main land and not kiber island or the wakandan science station in the south Atlantic
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Chadwick Boseman?
oh please please please please please please please Marvel
[url]http://www.enstarz.com/articles/42916/20140801/marvel-black-panther-casting-news-2014-get-on-up-actor-chadwick-boseman-to-play-iconic-superhero-may-have-spilled-the-beans-in-new-interview-video.htm[/url]
[QUOTE]During one of his promotional tour stops, he visited "The Breakfast Club" morning show in New York City to discuss how the movie came together, but was caught off guard when Charlamagne asked him if there was truth to the rumor that he would be cast as the T'Challa in Marvel's rumored "Black Panther" movie. Through a wide grin, changing his position, he replied, "Ahhh, I don't know anything about that... Until the contract is signed, I don't know." But, from his nervous disposition, the rumors of the film and his role in it may be true.[/QUOTE]
skip to 16:39-
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Seriously, Marvel don't even play with me like this. I know I'm getting my hopes up just to be disappointed but if your at all serious about this movie just cast Boseman. You've already let 7 to 8 great actors grow to old for the role. And the two other actors who've thrown their hats in the ring aren't good fits. Just cast the man.
Also yall be sure to catch "Get On Up" in theaters now.
Also if Marvel does a BP movie do it right. He's king or he becomes king. There needs to be a Wakanda. And I don't want to see any of this current status quo stuff from the comics. Nothing from later than 2009 when all BP's troubles began.
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What I see here is Namor destroying a city. I dont see how that is T'Challa's fault. That is like saying its mutants fault if the Sentinels are built by paranoid humans and then take over the world.[/QUOTE]
Namor would not have been there if T'Challa had not offered the Avengers sanctuary in Wakanda thus endangering Wakandan lives in much the same way as he's currently doing by having Black Swan, Terraxx, Thanos, Proxima Midnight and Corvus Glaive all sequestered in the Necropolis which irresspective of whatever apologists for this increasingly stupid storyline would have you believe, is well within Wakandan borders.
Hickman claims to be basing his T'Challa on the iteration made popular by Christopher J. Priest but I find that hard to believe as there is virtually no hint of T'Challa applying any of the tactical awareness and ability to outthink opponents that have been part of his recognized repertoire right from his inception as a character going all the way back to 1966.
There is virtually no tactical reason why any of the villanous powerhouses currently imprisoned on Wakandan soil (excluding Black Swan) should be there without the knowledge of the Queen because for all intents and purposes, T'Challa is not the reigning Monarch of Wakanda at this pointand thus has no right to be doing what he's doing without informing the current ruler of Wakanda.
I don't care for what's being established in this story because if the roles were reversed and it was Shuri pulling the crap that T'Challa is, most (if not all) of you would be crying foul and calling her all kinds of unprepared and reckless.
Shuri is Queen of all of Wakanda including the never before mentioned Necropolis so T'Challa claiming that portion of Wakanda off limits to anyone but himself was nonsenical right from the very beginning.
Unfortunately, some readers desperately wishing for T'Challa to take up the throne of Wakanda fail to see how overlooking the nations current ruler diminishes the BP mytho as a whole.
Hickman has written T'Challa into a corner that will result in even more emasculating tears and emotional weakness in the face of annihilation whilst most of you stay forlornly holding onto the ripped hem of the vague promise of a better tomorrow for T'Challa.
I tell you that just as was the case with Maberry's hobbling and utter destruction of T'Challa as a compelling character, so shall it be with Hickman's take on the character as he deconstructs him into even further irrelevance under the guise of development.
This is not a T'Challa that anyone should be applauding......
From begging former King to Crying King, T'Challa's character "growth" post Hudlin ha been "astounding" to say the least. (with astounding substituting for stupid in this case)
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A full 21 issues deep into the NA narrative and we still know nothing tangible about T'Challa's so called KOTD upgrades other than thefact that he's even more prone to making empty promises, even emptier posturing and crying (with much snot and abundantly flowing tears)
At this point, Hickman might as well be writing an X-book because his take on T'Challa's character is just as damaging.
If this is the T'Challa y'all want, you can have him.
Real talk.
[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;371791]Dont most nations have prisons. These people are imprisoned in Necropolis, not running around with Wakandan school children. Are they a threat, if they got out, of course. But that is true of any prison. Its true of the Raft, its true of Triskellion, and so forth.
Now unless you think just killing them and being done with it is the better solution albeit Thanos and Midnight are in a living death. I have been saying that B Swizzle should have had met the wrong end of a spear months ago.[/QUOTE]
I suppose the Negative Zone Prison was out of the question?
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On the other hand it's been my experience, both direct and by observation, that new experiences like getting married do alter the way a person behaves. ;)
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[QUOTE=brettc1;372191]On the other hand it's been my experience, both direct and by observation, that new experiences like getting married do alter the way a person behaves. ;)[/QUOTE]
T'Chaka was married to T'Challa' mother before his death and that didn't stop him from doing his duty.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;372173]
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Do you have a scan of what Annhilus did with the prison that had in the Negative Zone:) The only consistent thing about a comicbook prison is the jailbreak.
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I don't have a issue with that is going on. It looks similar to what Priest did during Strum Und Drang with T'challa spilling his emotions to Storm, only this situation is far more dire and included his father. Or the situation with the Jabari Tribe and losing his mind. While T'chaka was right about mercy, he was wrong about committing planetary genocide for only Wakanda. There is no way non-fans or new fans that will view T'challa as heroic or a hero if that is the world view. To me this is Hickman trying to deconstruct that.
I mean different strokes for different folks. I don't see this as damaging at all. Damaging would be being killed off or placed in limbo for a decade--or replaced with someone else. Damaging would be actually pulling the trigger and have the new version of the "cure for cancer" that Wakanda is hold back from everyone just because or Pym slap Janet, or the Arm Bar idiocy.
I'm interested to see New Avengers #24 and the beginning of "Time runs out". I think they are using this to soft boot things.