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I enjoyed the trip to Hell's Kitchen, T'Challa besting Kingpin, teaming with Shuri/Cage/Wilson
What's not to like about that moment in time
Also Hal Jordan wasn't a money maker, Johns combined Hal fans with anti-Batman fans then had everyone in Sinestro Corps War and it was downhill after that
[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;79296]And as i always say....Nobody says that sort of thing about comics based in space, Asgard, and other locations.[/QUOTE]
Like what other locations on Earth?
If its on Earth and not in the US (or NY)... people seem to not care quick for whatever reason.
[QUOTE=Vic Vega;78707]Dear old dad's ways didn't work out too well for him, either.
Dude's dead after all.[/QUOTE]
Well considering the fact "Dear old dad's" opening up of Wakanfda led to his being killed in the first place, I guess he grew wiser in death than he was in life.
Try again. :)
[QUOTE=Vic Vega;79088]But in that case T'Chaka wasn't the guy dealing with outsiders. The Wakandans can
fence the rest of the world out. But not all of them will be willing to fence themselves in.
Especially if there is something they can get out of dealing with outsiders.
If allying themselves with Hydra or Ultron will get M'Baku or Killmonger the throne, they will do it. If you're from M'Baku's tribe T'Chaka's oppressing your religious freedom anyway, so you have got all the justification you need.
[B]If everybody loved T'Chaka, he wouldn't have needed a secret police[/B].[/QUOTE]
Bro, that applies to all World leaders.
[QUOTE=Zuri;79077]Why? would it need to open up to be used in more stories? T'challa knows almost all the major heroes so it would not be strange for any of them to end up in Wakanda helping him or his sister out and for complex secret team type stories the heroes could be in Wakanda illegally trying to save the day before they are discovered, stories about Wakandan Mutants or Inhumans etc... there are lots of scenarios where an isolationist Wakanda can be involved with the wider Marvel world Its just up to the writers to use it in their books.
Also Wakanda already involves itself in world events that effect it. In Hudlin's run the Wakandan Secret service was compared to Mossad so they are very much active in protecting their interests internationally. I think there is a Wakandan Space program from Priests run those N'Yami battle cruisers go into low orbit when they travel long distances, this indicates to me that Wakandan scientists are familiar with space travel.
Isolationism does not prevent Wakandans from leavening Wakanda and exploring the outside world Onome's recruitment into the FF is a good example of this. Writers just have to want to use Wakandan characters in their stories.
I see T'challa as a guardian of Wakandian culture even more so as KOTD, so i don't see turning away from the isolationism that has served his people well for a thousand years.[/QUOTE]
Agreed 1000%.
[QUOTE=Zuri;79077]Why? would it need to open up to be used in more stories? T'challa knows almost all the major heroes so it would not be strange for any of them to end up in Wakanda helping him or his sister out and for complex secret team type stories the heroes could be in Wakanda illegally trying to save the day before they are discovered, stories about Wakandan Mutants or Inhumans etc... there are lots of scenarios where an isolationist Wakanda can be involved with the wider Marvel world Its just up to the writers to use it in their books.
Also Wakanda already involves itself in world events that effect it. In Hudlin's run the Wakandan Secret service was compared to Mossad so they are very much active in protecting their interests internationally. I think there is a Wakandan Space program from Priests run those N'Yami battle cruisers go into low orbit when they travel long distances, this indicates to me that Wakandan scientists are familiar with space travel.
Isolationism does not prevent Wakandans from leavening Wakanda and exploring the outside world Onome's recruitment into the FF is a good example of this. Writers just have to want to use Wakandan characters in their stories.
I see T'challa as a guardian of Wakandian culture even more so as KOTD, so i don't see turning away from the isolationism that has served his people well for a thousand years.[/QUOTE]
Damn. Perfectly stated. Kun Lun,Asgard,Atlantis, and Attilan are just backdrops for their characters. This mytical kingdoms are their to enhance their characters and thats it. Hell, Marvel barely is able to get a series set in Canada or Europe off the ground. Overall fandom only cares about the characters and how they fit with other characters that they like.
As far as the opening up Wakanda goes that is what T'challa represents himself you don't need the whole country to like outsiders that's what sets up the big payoff!
If you thought of T'challa in actor terms it's the managing of the old ways with the new ways that gives him character development and better dialogue to speak on!
If he's just Mickey Mouse standing at the gates of Wakanda like it is Disneyland welcoming visitors far and wide that loses all the intensity of the possible story telling!
The Black Panther should be the bridge between Wakanda and the greater Marvel universe... Too many outsiders leads to eventual colonialism and even he would see that coming from a mile away!
Keep my Wakanda xenophobic to the core...
STOP THE RANGE ROVER SIR!!!
[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;80624]As far as the opening up Wakanda goes that is what T'challa represents himself you don't need the whole country to like outsiders that's what sets up the big payoff!
If you thought of T'challa in actor terms it's the managing of the old ways with the new ways that gives him character development and better dialogue to speak on!
If he's just Mickey Mouse standing at the gates of Wakanda like it is Disneyland welcoming visitors far and wide that loses all the intensity of the possible story telling!
The Black Panther should be the bridge between Wakanda and the greater Marvel universe... Too many outsiders leads to eventual colonialism and even he would see that coming from a mile away!
Keep my Wakanda xenophobic to the core...
STOP THE RANGE ROVER SIR!!![/QUOTE]
Agreed.
People make all this noise about Wakanda being isolationist as if Atlantis, Kun Lun or even Attilan (before it's fall) are any more open to frequent visits by outsiders.
I don't think any of the nations have to be more open, but the writers/editors just have to make it their business to incorporate these nations into the overall plans of the Marvel Universe.
[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;80588]Damn. Perfectly stated. Kun Lun,Asgard,Atlantis, and Attilan are just backdrops for their characters. This mytical kingdoms are their to enhance their characters and thats it. Hell, Marvel barely is able to get a series set in Canada or Europe off the ground. Overall fandom only cares about the characters and how they fit with other characters that they like.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I haven't read the other pages, but I thought what was done in NA #19 was canonically correct, if you are following what Priest did (see the client).
About Isolationism. That is simply their foreign policy. Plain and simple, but don't expect nay-sayers to care. There are different forms of foreign policy and Isolationism has been one.
People also leave out that the Golden City is also protecting not only Vibranium from the masses, but Knowledge itself as shown in FF #607. But don't expect folks to recognize that.
T'chaka looked great.
[QUOTE=Zuri;79578]Next issue of NA will be fight with the great society or whatever they are called and all the new powers should be on show then.[/QUOTE]
I certainly hope so. The last 4 big fights occurred OFF panel. Terrax, Black Dwarf, the fight to the Necropolis, and the second fight with Black Swan. I think this is a "hold lets work together to find a common solution" sort of deal that will last 4 months. Even the alternate Panthers only had about a panel to work with. Before they died.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;79591]Well, he seemed stronger in NA 1 than usual but you are right. We need to see feats with his new powers so they officially become canon.
Hopefully the fight with the GS will give us that.
We have finally been shown what his KoD Old Panther power thing is. Now we need to see how much power Bast actually gave T'challa to be her champion.
And Emma's powers are broken in UXM, this must take place farther in the future than where UXM is at right now. Or even a broken telepath can read the mind of a moloid lol.
Maybe Aaron is pulling a Bendis on Bendis :) (ignoring continuity... just because)[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately I don't have much faith in Aarons, he is still on my WTF did just read list. So he has a lot of making up to do. And that is going to be beyond Hickman level of a slow burn.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;80175]Bro, that applies to all World leaders.[/QUOTE]
"Many a king on a first-class throne,
If he wants to call his crown his own,
Must manage, somehow, to get through...
More dirtier work, then e'er _I_ do!"
As for Wakanda, the problem isn't that it's isolationist... it's that they've been made TOO advanced compared to the rest of the Marvel U. It's the flip side of the "Reed Richards is Useless" thing. I'm not saying that they should be made more "realistic" (Hell no. That leads to "Let's trash the country again!") but when interstellar teleportation is used as a teaching aid for high-schoolers, you have a problem. :)
And now, rather than being "an exotic location, full of adventure!", Wakanda has been canonized as "a bunch of pricks who only think about themselves". :P
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;83141]"Many a king on a first-class throne,
If he wants to call his crown his own,
Must manage, somehow, to get through...
More dirtier work, then e'er _I_ do!"
As for Wakanda, the problem isn't that it's isolationist... it's that they've been made TOO advanced compared to the rest of the Marvel U. It's the flip side of the "Reed Richards is Useless" thing. I'm not saying that they should be made more "realistic" (Hell no. That leads to "Let's trash the country again!") but when interstellar teleportation is used as a teaching aid for high-schoolers, you have a problem. :)
And now, rather than being "an exotic location, full of adventure!", Wakanda has been canonized as "a bunch of pricks who only think about themselves". :P[/QUOTE]
I don't think so. I think its just a negative labeling--due to the uniqueness of having a minority society that is advanced. The Watchers are secretive they had the ULTIMATE NULLIFIER. But no one has said the Watchers are a bunch of pricks that could have stopped Galactus from eating worlds.
Tony Stark has tech that could feed the hungry, and possibly stop poverty but he isnt judged the way Panther and Wakanda are--
The Eternals, Asgard, Kun Lun, Atlantis, Latveria, etc are all advanced but Wakanda is singled out more often. Its the racial component that causes some readers to judge more harshly. And thats no knock against you..its society. Anything Minorities do is judged more critically..and so it is in fantasy.
Also the ego is bruised by the idea of an Advanced African Nation that doesn't need help from Western authorities. No panther fan thinks Wakanda is the Ideal society--we just respect the mythos. I don't personally think KUn Lun is the home of the most advanced MArtial Artist and that an outsider could learn a discipline that the other warriors (locals) spent an entire life-time learning--from childhood.
But somehow that gets a pass as plausible. And good--it should its only a fantasy. When it comes to Wakanda methinks my fanboys doth protest too much!
[QUOTE=FriendRoss;69343]just saying
they have named how many of the stones out of 6?
by nature the MCU infinity stones are best generally described "rocks with magic powers" boiled down to its barest elements, isnt vibranium a rock with magic powers?[/QUOTE]
It wud b awesome if Wakandan vibranium or a rare supa-rear secret hyper-version of it(kept closely in d Panther God dimension) is an infinity stone.