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[QUOTE=C_haos;3176201]Blade was the man on the old Spider Man show. Came in knocked stuff over, got the girl then was out. If only the print side could get it right[/QUOTE]
Back in the day I was actually hoping Blade would get a spin off cartoon, given they essentially created a small little team with Morbius and Black Cat.
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[QUOTE=C_haos;3176201]Blade was the man on the old Spider Man show. Came in knocked stuff over, got the girl then was out. If only the print side could get it right[/QUOTE]
Amen to that! It's a shame how he's been treated since then. In a sense he came at the right time to help the comic book film industry... but at the wrong time for a black-led superhero to stay afloat in an industry that didn't have the same checks and balances they have today to prevent sabotage (*cringes at Blade 3 and all the dirt that went on*). (*cringes again at his comics*)
Then again, if not for Blade stepping up to the plate at that time, who knows how much longer it would've taken for us to get to a better (tho far from ideal) time.
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[QUOTE=MoneySpider;3176103]Turn back time so that she's no longer insane?[/QUOTE]
[B]The opposite, go forward I. Time to when she is older,
wiser and reconizes and is remorseful for her actions. Hell the frogs could throw Tchalla into the future to give her the redemption arc and she can come back with him [/B]
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Maybe when T'Challa brought the universe back with whatever gem he had, he subconsciously healed her insanity. You know, cuz he knew what's her name was just a dead end. A foggy drizzle. A sleety rain......damn, gotta go to work and no time to think of another.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;3176172]Valid point, as usual.
But let's say she does go heel (which looks unlikely), that means it happens at the very end of the movie as a twist and the sequel is then in part about T'Challa dealing with Lupita as his rogue Catwoman/Talia. The Marvel formula has most of the introduced love interests sticking around for the long haul, unless its behind the scenes beef mid trilogy (Thor) or just a unique 1st movie where everyone but Cap (and Buck) pretty much has to age considerably.
So the big thing imho is will they kill Lupita off 1 movie in? B/c if not, i think there's more exciting stories they can tell with Nakia remaining on the good guys team, than boxing her and BP into a lover's quarrel side plot that would take time away from changing things up with other additional villains.
Nakia, BP, Shuri, and Okoye allows you to pair them up however which way to take on different (future) villains. I think they keep that dynamic moving forward.[/QUOTE]
[B] Exactly, there are more stories to tell with the synergy of T'Challa, Okoye, Nakia, and Shuri grouped up then to make Nakia turn which would be weird Given how lots to Wakanda and Tchalla she is being shown off as.[/B]
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3176155]Steel and Spawn came out a year or two before Blade, but Steel was poorly received, Spawn got more mixed reviews. Blade definitely, connected with the public though.[/QUOTE]
I don't take those seriously really. Blade was taken serious and is the reason why we have this boom. It kicked off this renaissance and because of it we are effectively in decade two. It for sure gave pros the balls to move forward in this manner.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;3176172]Valid point, as usual.
But let's say she does go heel (which looks unlikely), that means it happens at the very end of the movie as a twist and the sequel is then in part about T'Challa dealing with Lupita as his rogue Catwoman/Talia. The Marvel formula has most of the introduced love interests sticking around for the long haul, unless its behind the scenes beef mid trilogy (Thor) or just a unique 1st movie where everyone but Cap (and Buck) pretty much has to age considerably.
So the big thing imho is will they kill Lupita off 1 movie in? B/c if not, i think there's more exciting stories they can tell with Nakia remaining on the good guys team, than boxing her and BP into a lover's quarrel side plot that would take time away from changing things up with other additional villains.
Nakia, BP, Shuri, and Okoye allows you to pair them up however which way to take on different (future) villains. I think they keep that dynamic moving forward.[/QUOTE]
The main thing to always consider with the character of Nakia is that she is written in ways that allow her to play both sides if she chooses.
Like I said, it's more a matter of "when" instead of "if" with her character if they are keeping even a semblance of how she is. It's just a matter of if it happens in this movie or not, it could happen in this film, it could happen midway through, it could happen at the very end, or it could happen in a sequel. Main thing is going to be if Warmonger survives or not.
If Warmonger survives, then we know we're eventually getting Malice. If Killmonger dies, we're likely not.
Don't forget, It's Killmonger who takes Nakia under his wing and through shenanigans, magic and ressurection she becomes Malice while with him.
I get the feeling that's still coming. You cannot do Black Panther, have Nakia and Killmonger in the same story, and [B]not[/B] eventually do Malice. Like I said, it's all a matter of if Killmonger survives the film or not.
As far as Nakia and T'Challa's potential romance in the film, I really don't care who he's dating, be it Nikki, the singer, Nakia or Storm in these movies. I care more about the representations of the character.
Ie: If he's a romantic love interest to Nakia. Then don't portray Nakia is a fangirlish crazy stalker and have T'Challe reciprocate those feelings in about as unhealthy a relationship as you can get.
From what N'yongo has said, and from what I've heard and read, as well as for those that actually got to see the forest fight she's in luckily enough, she comes across as a secret agent. They are also taking some of the Storm story conflict as well where Ororo was conflicted by her duty to the X-Men and her love for T'Challa. In the film, this will be Nakia. And as they can't use the "X-Men" they are using the 'Dora Milaje' for that purpose of conflict between who she is and who she may want to be.
But she is also described by Nyongo herself as a "war dog". Take from what whatever you wish to.
So the main thing will be the conflict in what Nakia wants vs what T'Challa wants, towards how far Nakia will go, to how far T'Challa is willing to go.
If Warmonger survives, I don't doubt that Malice is coming, and once more, the prospect of Lupita Nyongo playing the villainous Malice would be very interesting.
I'll also be looking towards seeing if there seems to be a rivalry of sorts between Nakia and the other high ranked members of the Dora Milaje. The one in particular that T'Challa seems closest to. If I start seeing the two of them banter, and it becomes an intentional thing and not a 'zinger', then it will be very interesting.
I do think Nakia will be a departure from her comics form, but in terms of the fangirl stalker... not in terms of the war dog whom eventually becomes Malice.
Part of me also wonders if however Thor Ragnarok does will also weigh into that decision ultimately as it has a female co-lead whom is also the main antagonist of the story.
I also understand that Black Panther at best will have three films, depending upon how this movie does, and how the next movie does.
if Nakia winds up becoming Malice, I don't see it becoming a "Batman and Catwoman" lovers quirrel kind of thing.
I think Malice's main competition would be T'Challa's sister Shuri(who is getting her own suit..it's [B]gonna[/B] happen), and T'Challa will be occupied with Klaw. I'll take a Malice v Shuri rivalry in a heartbeat.
What I don't want to see is a character like Shuri however, relegated to essentially the [B]Q[/B] role, and nothing else.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;3176097]We already caught one troll [B]dead ass [/B]lying about T'Chaka having a fetish for foreign women (like, how you gon forget T'Challa's biological mother? lmao!). He couldn't respond.
Then we tricked the same troll into [B]unintentionally admitting[/B] he had been lying this whole time with his fake narrative that T'Challa has only ever been interested in foreign women.
I offered to move the goal post out of pity, gif and everything. Because I'm really a nice guy at heart.
Black Panther is going to be so good to us, i'm just dong my part in priming everyone for the party to come :D[/QUOTE]
Guard your grill my bro.
These streets are treacherous and the Nazgul fly free seek8ng unwilling sacrifices to Sauron's dungeons.
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;3176129]Seeing as how there was Marvel logos on all promotional material for that movie and the fact there’s one at the start of the movie the general public know he’s a Marvel character what the general populace doesn’t do is downplay those movies success as some comic fans seem to want all that glory[/QUOTE]
The downplaying (in this instance) just came out of left field but I suppose it was to be expected.
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[QUOTE=MoneySpider;3176135]Aside from Storm, I'd LOVE it if T'Challa were to start dating a Vixen-type woman. Same power set and everything. A straight rip-off of Vixen (it's not like Marvel and DC have never blatantly ripped each other off before...) And maybe give that character something extra that Vixen does not have (the ability to mimic other superheroes' powers as well (which is something Vixen also did for a while). Or maybe another extra power in addition to her mimicking the abilities of animals.
She could be a Wakandan woman, or maybe she'd be a woman from a neighboring country (I'm not sure which countries are on the other side of Wakanda (apart from Niganda). Maybe she's royalty (no... NOT Princess Zanda or whatever her name is).
I just think T'Challa can do better romance-wise than a crazy woman who flew over the cuckoo's nest.[/QUOTE]
T'Challa can definitely do better than a traitor who escorted mutant terrorists onto sovereign Wakandan soil before jumping into bed with a serial womaniser just after assaulting T'Challa and declaring him to be a "bad husband."
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[QUOTE=XPac;3176226]I don't think anyone is downplaying the movies sucess... it had 2 sequals. I think the point is that it really didn't effect the super hero movie genre despite it's sucess that later comic movies had. ANd I think in part because to a lot of people it wasn't really perceived as a super hero movie.
Also I imagine being rated R to some degree limited the characters more universal appeal. Plus marvel didn't really do a good job generating any synergy on the comic side to capitalize on any of Blades movie sucess. But I suppose earlier failures would help marvel do a better job with later stuff.[/QUOTE]
Utter hogwash.
Blade made comicbook movies viable long before the X-men movies hit the scene.
End of story.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3176226]I don't think anyone is downplaying the movies sucess... it had 2 sequals. [B]I think the point is that it really didn't effect the super hero movie genre despite it's sucess that later comic movies had. [/B]ANd I think in part because to a lot of people it wasn't really perceived as a super hero movie.
Also I imagine being rated R to some degree limited the characters more universal appeal. Plus marvel didn't really do a good job generating any synergy on the comic side to capitalize on any of Blades movie sucess. But I suppose earlier failures would help marvel do a better job with later stuff.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. It pretty much help revitalize the superhero film genre which was thought to be on the decline after "Batman and Robin" ( George Clooney even joked that his movie killed the franchise). I think it's fair to suggest that many folks went to see it cuz it was Snipes rather than Blades's popularity as a comic book character, but after they'd seen it they were certainly aware that they'd seen a superhero film.
I will admit that Marvel dropped the ball on the comics side.
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[QUOTE=Moose100;3176499]I don't take those seriously really. Blade was taken serious and is the reason why we have this boom. It kicked off this renaissance and because of it we are effectively in decade two. It for sure gave pros the balls to move forward in this manner.[/QUOTE]
I think it's notable that it came out of Lionsgate rather than one of the bigger studios.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3176759]Utter hogwash.
[B]Blade made comicbook movies viable long before the X-men movies hit the scene.[/B]
End of story.[/QUOTE]
Blade also was doing "Matrix" aesthetic a full year before those leather trench coats brooded on to the scene.
X-Men and Matrix : Eminem; as Blade : EPMD, Rakim, NWA, Kool Moe Dee, Boogie Down Productions, etc.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3176753]T'Challa can definitely do better than a traitor who escorted mutant terrorists onto sovereign Wakandan soil before jumping into bed with a serial womaniser just after assaulting T'Challa and declaring him to be a "bad husband."[/QUOTE]
Terrible writing, done intentionally to break them up.
Fortunately, the guy behind both of their characters now, rectified that and used it to grow both characters in their arc
[url]http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?3630-Storm-and-Black-Panther-Appreciation-Eternal-Love&p=3171369&viewfull=1#post3171369[/url]
[url]http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?3630-Storm-and-Black-Panther-Appreciation-Eternal-Love&p=3171376&viewfull=1#post3171376[/url]
Like I will say always and forever, I don't mind when they break people up, but when they have to [B]write them so out of character[/B] just to break them up [B]so they can make another pairing happen[/B], it's both annoying and insulting to those who know their characters and care about continuance.
So it took them what feels like an eternity but the guy working on both comics now seems to have written that wrong that bad writing put both characters into. You could argue at this point that both Storm and T'Challa understand each other on a deeper level now than they ever have before.
I haven't seen that kind of growth with Nakia's story in the comics as of yet. Which is why in the comics it would still be as unhealthy a relationship as it gets if we care about what's relevant and most recent.
But as I've stated, I think that movie Nakia while I feel she will still eventually become Malice(especially if Killmonger lives), will do so for different reasons and won't be a "fangirl stalker" of T'Challa. Thank goodness for that.