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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3759891][B]Cap can throw his shield and DD throws his billy clubs. Tchallas Daggers can stun, kill, out a tracking frequency on a Target, shut down helicopters like a mini EMP, see what they did to hydroman and Klaw, they can rewrite the DNA in a dragon..
Energy damp boots Allow him to fall 8 stories and land on his feet.. silently, weaken the integrity of objects, run up walls and stand on water. And catch cars thrown by the hulk... Not the same thing at all.
It's about keeping Tchalla up to date or if something new is added, having the imagination to see the potential. No one is wanting him to have the power of hulk or go hit for hit with Thanos, But use the tools and resources he has to level the playing field like he does. Tchalla has made a career out of fighting way above his weight class [/B][/QUOTE]
Cap and DD wear body armor, Cap used an energy shield for the longest time, and don't get me started on how many different arrows Hawkeye has, or what's in Batman's belt.
Priest simply broght T'Challa up to a logical level for the leader of a super advanced nation. And all his suit/weapons were a logical extension of vibranium at the time, able to absorb kinetic energy.
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Personally, I've always been more interested in who T'Challa IS, not what he can do.
(Which is why the TNC run leaves me cold. We barely get the feeling that these characters have any inner life at all, and in the relaunch, even that is taken away, thanks to some laser-guided amnesia. :P )
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3759903][B]No.. Priest didn't just write him Really well, your trying to down play what Priest actually did, which was take the ground work set up by Lee and Kirby and upgrade him to the 21st century, highlight his traits and give him standard gear and a foundation for future writers (Hudlin especially) to build on, and showed T'Challa fights above his weight class and how he is able to do it. [/B][/QUOTE]
Me saying that Priest wrote him very very well is downplaying what Priest did? Hmmm... okay.
More than anything, he just wrote a logical version of the character with the skills and the gear a person his given background and resources should have. He wrote the character the way he should have been written the entire time. In other words, he wrote the character very very well. Call it highlight traits and creating a foundation if you want, I'm fine with that too.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3759892]I don't think it literally meant he had the physical strength of every single BP prior to him. It's Hickmans upgrade, and he along with every other writer since then have potrayed him as having ROUGHTLY the same physical stats. If he's any stronger, I think it's fairly negligible.
I think it goes back to the notion that T'CHalla pretty much is fine as is. They didn't turn him stronger because he doesn't need to be stronger. He wasn't upgraded because frankly he didn't need to be upgraded.
And if indeed this ability hypothetically could be used as a deuz ex machine never be defeated ability, all the more reason that writers shouldn't potray it as such. Because no writer would want their character to have a never defeated ability.[/QUOTE]
[B] Again saying strength, knowledge, and experience of all previous Black panthers does not appear to be in the metaphorical sense. If Bast saying you are my champion, and MY Black panther, and that means he is exactly the same as a regular hsh powered BP? Then that is stuota d she may as well just Said she gave him the powers of the HSH back. Again it was a rough idea that he didn't care to fully develop past what the cog In the story required.
Ah that was a typo on my part, I meant a way for it not to be a deus ex machina ability. There are a ton of ways to put restrictions on it. If you have ever watched action anime or read mangas there are ways to out caps on power to keep them from being overpowered.[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3759924][B] Again saying strength, knowledge, and experience of all previous Black panthers does not appear to be in the metaphorical sense. If Bast saying you are my champion, and MY Black panther, and that means he is exactly the same as a regular hsh powered BP? Then that is stuota d she may as well just Said she gave him the powers of the HSH back. Again it was a rough idea that he didn't care to fully develop past what the cog In the story required.
Ah that was a typo on my part, I meant a way for it not to be a deus ex machina ability. There are a ton of ways to put restrictions on it. If you have ever watched action anime or read mangas there are ways to out caps on power to keep them from being overpowered.[/B][/QUOTE]
If he seems roughly the same as he normally is status quo, by Hickman and pretty much every other writer thrn I think it's fair to assume it wasn't literally saying he got the previous Bp's strength.
But it had to be a little more than just the heart shaped herb, because he tacked on zombie control and the ability to talk to other BP's. So he returned to status quo after being depoweted along with a few small add ons.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3759907]Personally, I've always been more interested in who T'Challa IS, not what he can do.
(Which is why the TNC run leaves me cold. We barely get the feeling that these characters have any inner life at all, and in the relaunch, even that is taken away, thanks to some laser-guided amnesia. :P )[/QUOTE]
[B]I think your stories would be amazingly well done. O still remember your short, had I had actual time I would of put art to it because it was really good[/B]
[QUOTE=XPac;3759916]Me saying that Priest wrote him very very well is downplaying what Priest did? Hmmm... okay.
More than anything, he just wrote a logical version of the character with the skills and the gear a person his given background and resources should have. He wrote the character the way he should have been written the entire time. In other words, he wrote the character very very well. Call it highlight traits and creating a foundation if you want, I'm fine with that too.[/QUOTE]
[B] Liss wrote Tchalla really really well. Priest (and Hudlin) were to Tchalla as Millar was to Daredevil or Claremont to xmen. Without Those two, the BP movie wouldn't of been what it was, T'Challa wouldn't of been on the big stage like he is. Priest set the tone going forward for future BP writers and completely changed the course of the character forever[/B]
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[QUOTE=XPac;3759970]If he seems roughly the same as he normally is status quo, by Hickman and pretty much every other writer thrn I think it's fair to assume it wasn't literally saying he got the previous Bp's strength.
But it had to be a little more than just the heart shaped herb, because he tacked on zombie control and the ability to talk to other BP's. So he returned to status quo after being depoweted along with a few small add ons.[/QUOTE]
[B]It was essentially Akin to Mayberrys Shadow physics, a new tool with unlimited potential that was poorly used and only meant to serve what the story needed and then thrown away. Shadow physics is a great new types of science. Same with KotD. Just because a writer fails to utilize a new upgrade doesn't equate to that means that's the scope of said update[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3759981][B]It was essentially Akin to Mayberrys Shadow physics, a new tool with unlimited potential that was poorly used and only meant to serve what the story needed and then thrown away. Shadow physics is a great new types of science. Same with KotD. Just because a writer fails to utilize a new upgrade doesn't equate to that means that's the scope of said update[/B][/QUOTE]
It does what the writers show it does. We've seen Coates throw in a few add on as well. So yes ... the scope of something can expand beyond its original intent.
Point being a tool can do something once a writer on panel established that it can. Anything outside of that is fan fiction.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3759976][B]I think your stories would be amazingly well done. O still remember your short, had I had actual time I would of put art to it because it was really good[/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks. I'm but a humble storyteller.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3759626]I really don't understand this obsession with T'Challa and powerups.
Batman doesn't need a power up. Captain America doesn't need a power up, and neither does Black Panther. Some characters are just fine as is.[/QUOTE]
Didn['t Batman just get some magical metal named after him, after serving as the avatar for a billion year old multiversal diety, defeating Darksied, and developing Darksied fighting armor?
For a guy that doesn't need upgrades he certainly seems to get them all the time.
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3760280]Didn['t Batman just get some magical metal named after him, after serving as the avatar for a billion year old multiversal diety, defeating Darksied, and developing Darksied fighting armor?
For a guy that doesn't need upgrades he certainly seems to get them all the time.[/QUOTE]
Sure, characters from time to time may get temporary upgrades. T'CHalla briefly wielded the Infinity Gauntlet, and Spider-Man was temporarily Captain Universe. But that's more just a story they are telling rather than a true shift in status quo.
I think the point is that standard Batman for the most part is just fine. As is Captain America and Black Panther and most heroes in general.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3759990]It does what the writers show it does. We've seen Coates throw in a few add on as well. So yes ... the scope of something can expand beyond its original intent.
Point being a tool can do something once a writer on panel established that it can. Anything outside of that is fan fiction.[/QUOTE]
great points as always xpac!!
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[QUOTE=XPac;3760295]Sure, characters from time to time may get temporary upgrades. T'CHalla briefly wielded the Infinity Gauntlet, and Spider-Man was temporarily Captain Universe. But that's more just a story they are telling rather than a true shift in status quo.
I think the point is that standard Batman for the most part is just fine. As is Captain America and Black Panther and most heroes in general.[/QUOTE]
[B]That doesn't sound like a temporary upgrade. Neither do all his other suits he has Created either[/B]
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You forget: All upgrades are temporary… unless they involve Storm. :/
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3760369][B]That doesn't sound like a temporary upgrade. Neither do all his other suits he has Created either[/B][/QUOTE]
It's about as permanent as Stark incorporating mother boxes into his armor. In theory he should be boom tubing around the MU, but in practice once the story was over Stark returned to status quo.
I don't read Batman but I'm 100% sure he's not flying around Gotham city beating the crap out of Joker or Bane in Darkseid Buster armor. I'm pretty sure he's not even wearing it in Justice League. Again, stuff like that is fine for a single story, but you don't necessarily want to alter the status quo of a character.