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Feige has no power when it comes to how much money they spend on a film. If Bob Iger wants Black Panther 2 cgi to look better, it will. Ryan Coogler can't make the CGI better without more money. That's what happens when you put all the time and money into IW cgi and Black panther still had a better story.
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;3805313]And I'm good with the Shakespeare angle. That type of storytelling is why the movie is so great.
However, at the end they tried to go LOTR/Star Wars style. The hope was probably that it would feel intimate, but instead thats when the movie felt small. It really looks like they filmed in some small area in Atlanta and got half effort CGI because the focus was on IW. It becomes jarring.
The movie was trending towards an EPIC conclusion because of the story. However, in terms of execution, resources, it was just a solid ending. I know haters, cynics don't matter, but it really sucks that they couldn't end on a high note so haters wouldn't have anything to latch on. Now they try to dismiss it as Wonder Woman status when its so much more.
Also that Godzilla trailer is pretty great visually as well.[/QUOTE]
[B]Two things. One it was a "Small" affair because it was a family affair. All of Wakanda had not descended into a civil war. It came down literally to cousin vs cousin, and husband vs wife with family and friends choosing sides in between. This wasn't half of Wakanda vs the other half.
Also even if it had an epic ending (it did the ending was very smooth an crisp with a powerful message) haters find something to hate one regardless. Haters have double standards, contradict themselves constantly, and try to downplay the significance of BP. Nothing would of changed that. Infact what the movie has accomplished has proven the haters wrong as it blew away all expectations [/B]
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[QUOTE=XPac;3805324]Certainly Spiderman took the herb (in a scene which made no sense whatsoever), but his powers grant him a degree of immunity to poisoning, so it doesn't retcon Priest's book.
Though yes, it is possible a different herb was used for Killmonger than in other instsnces. It's frankly not that hard to speculate that Hunter flat poisoned him ... but it's hard to say. Course, if that is the case it's a matter of the thing being rigged. Guy outside BP'S family eind, and guy outside BP'S family gets poisoned. It's naive to assume that's coincidental one way or the other.[/QUOTE]
[B]it's naive to think that Hudlin didn't already address this to to where the herb fair to all as now they are judged by their god to determine if they worthy or not. And there is no proof that there are two different types of herbs. Pure speculation[/B]
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Simple solution to the Nakia 'problem':
"Nakia was the name of Bashenga's mate, the first queen of Wakanda. Because of this, it is a very popular name among Wakandan girls, including in the village Malice came from. Since it is a recognizably Wakandan name, external intelligence operatives (a.k.a. 'izinja zemfazwe') tend to use aliases, like 'Malakia' or 'Monica Lynne'."
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805385][B]it's naive to think that Hudlin didn't already address this to to where the herb fair to all as now they are judged by their god to determine if they worthy or not. And there is no proof that there are two different types of herbs. Pure speculation[/B][/QUOTE]
No, there's no proof that Hunter pulled a fast one. The book tells us the herb is poisonous.
But the point is that Hunter was poisoned. Either the herb poisoned him or someone else did, but either way the point being it was rigged. Hudlin at best retcons the herb being poisonous (though it's usage in the Spider-Man story was ridiculous), but it doesn't retcons that Killmonger was poisoned.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3805348]...Like tax time, do they have a Wakandan HR block? is turbotax available in Wakanda?
What does the grocery store look like? Do Wakandans have to sell part of their soul to go to Wal-Mart to save a bit of cheddar or do they splurge for Whole Foods?
I wonder what the Wakandan checkbook looks like. How do they balance it? Does the kymoyo do it for them? are their overdraft fees?
What kind of mattresses do they use? Does it have vibranium laced through them so they don't disturb their partner?
Is there Amazan Prime?[/QUOTE]Almost all of your questions assume Wakandan use Euro-Western economic models. Everything we saw suggests that they do a lot of things differently.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3805348]Can parents have sex in the house with the kids home because those walls be vibranium laced and block all sound?
I wonder how they fold their laundry?
Do they wash whites with colors in Wakanda?
We DID only see one street. Do other streets have crosswalks? Do pedestrians have the right away?[/QUOTE]Okay, now this stuff [B][U]matters[/U][/B]! :D
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3805348]Do they have a decent plus size clothing selection at Wakandamart?[/QUOTE]This actually touches on something I've wondered about. Like most Hidden Civilizations in comics, the Wakandans pride themselves on being a superior people (at least in the comics, and some of the comments in the film suggest that too). Does that mean they simply don't tolerate poor health and lack-luster physical conditioning?
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[QUOTE=blacksonic;3805369]Feige has no power when it comes to how much money they spend on a film. If Bob Iger wants Black Panther 2 cgi to look better, it will. Ryan Coogler can't make the CGI better without more money. That's what happens when you put all the time and money into IW cgi and Black panther still had a better story.[/QUOTE]
Again though, BP got over 200 mill. That's more than almost any other solo marvel movie. So the money was there... which is why it's odd the cgi were so-so. It might have just been a rush job more than anything else.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805293][B]To me, Aquaman at first glance Looks like starwars underwater. Black panther was more like a look Shakespeare 50 from now[/B][/QUOTE]
Aquaman looked like Aquaman to me.
Trailer was legit and really throws down the Gauntlet for MARVEL as regards Namor in much the same way that Wonder Woman did Captain Marvel.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3805408]No, there's no proof that Hunter pulled a fast one. The book tells us the herb is poisonous.
But the point is that Hunter was poisoned. Either the herb poisoned him or someone else did, but either way the point being it was rigged. Hudlin at best retcons the herb being poisonous (though it's usage in the Spider-Man story was ridiculous), but it doesn't retcons that Killmonger was poisoned.[/QUOTE]
[B] Because he doesn't need to? He retconned the HSH so that anyone can take it and they are judged by Bast
We saw this happen. That is the new Canon for how the herb works[/B]
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3805428]Aquaman looked like Aquaman to me.
Trailer was legit and really throws down the Gauntlet for MARVEL as regards Namor in much the same way that Wonder Woman did Captain Marvel.[/QUOTE]
[B]To be frank, I don't Read or know anything about Aquaman, and I think it looks unique just like Black panther, but people were making comparisons to what it reminded them of and at first glance that is where I would point.
And also I'm not into this whole Marvel vs DC thing
I like good movies regardless of what company they come from. And so far it looks good. It could possibly help set DC on the right track Which helps fans of these heroes in General. Everybody wins when there favorite heroes are shown looking legit[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805434][B] Because he doesn't need to? He retconned the HSH so that anyone can take it and they are judged by Bast
We saw this happen. That is the new Canon for how the herb works[/B][/QUOTE]
I don't know why you're arguing with someone who habitually acts as if Hudlin's run never happened? Lol!
It's a bit like the ridiculous Dora Milaje teenage bride business introduced by Priest.
Hudlin's BP run completely moved away from that by aging up the Dora Milaje but some still chose to keep pushing an angle that had been repurposed for close to a decade whilst wilfully ignoring the FACT that child marriage for kids as young as 12 is actually recognised in at least 24 States in the USA. :smh:
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805434][B] Because he doesn't need to? He retconned the HSH so that anyone can take it and they are judged by Bast
We saw this happen. That is the new Canon for how the herb works[/B][/QUOTE]
Except nothing in either run states that Killmonger was judged by Bast. Certainly Spider-man wasn't as far as what we saw on panel when he took the herb in that ridiculous scene.
You can speculate that this is what happened, but that's no different than speculating Hunter poisoned him. It's not an unreasonable assumption but nothing on panel verified this is what happened. As it stands, the books explanation is still that the herb poisoned him.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805441][B]To be frank, I don't Read or know anything about Aquaman, and I think it looks unique just like Black panther, but people were making comparisons to what it reminded them of and at first glance that is where I would point.
And also I'm not into this whole Marvel vs DC thing
I like good movies regardless of what company they come from. And so far it looks good. It could possibly help set DC on the right track Which helps fans of these heroes in General. Everybody wins when there favorite heroes are shown looking legit[/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed 100%.
I like Jason Momoah's Aquaman. :cool:
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You also have to remember that the only person who said the herb was poisonous outside the royal line was Killmonger... and unreliable narrator who has had various enhancements done to him via outside means no one knows about.
Kinda like what Samuels said to Blonsky in Incredible Hulk, "I don't know how much you got inside you already"
T'challa, in the same run, didn't say it was poisonous. And let Kasper try to get access to it... in the same run.
It is murky, but throughout the history of the HSH, circumstantial evidence around whether the herb is truly poisonous outside the royal line leans towards it being not poisonous.
It is all speculation. Last time the herb was given to a non royal line, spider-man, he was good. Which would make the mos trecent canon say its not. It is also speculation that Parker would have an immunity to an herb only found in one place in the world. T'challa didn't seem too worried about it.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3805487]You also have to remember that the only person who said the herb was poisonous outside the royal line was Killmonger... and unreliable narrator who has had various enhancements done to him via outside means no one knows about.
Kinda like what Samuels said to Blonsky in Incredible Hulk, "I don't know how much you got inside you already"
T'challa, in the same run, didn't say it was poisonous. And let Kasper try to get access to it... in the same run.
The circumstantial evidence around whether the herb is truly poisonous outside the royal line says it's not.[/QUOTE]
And that's why I would argue it's very reasonable to assume Hunter poisoned him. It's not something which can be proven on panel, so it's little more than just speculation. But he was acting kinda shady.
On the flip side though, if Spider man is the only person outside Tchallas family not poisoned, it's not great proof that it is poisonous since Peter has a degree of resistance to it.
This may just fall on the next guy to clear up, because that whole Spider-Man thing just sort of muddied the water.