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[QUOTE=XPac;3285938]Honestly I think there are only a small small hand full of characters who are capable of carrying a solo book indefinitely. I doubt there's even a dozen in marvel. Heck, there's probably barely a dozen in marvel and DC combined.
There's probably enough interest level in Storm to at least make attempts at giving her a solo, but realistically she like 99% of the characters in MU likely won't be able to sustain a solo book indefinitely in the present market.[/QUOTE]
The majority of the X-Men don't work as solo characters because none are designed to function outside of the X-Men. Very few have interesting foils or arch nemeses.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3283989][COLOR="#000080"]Right now, Feige and Coogler are the only ones doing right by BP. I hope Coogler stays with BP for as long he likes. Pony up that money Disney.
Tie him up like Gunn and the Russos.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
These guys are great gatekeepers. I trust them.
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3285952]The majority of the X-Men don't work as solo characters because none are designed to function outside of the X-Men. Very few have interesting foils or arch nemeses.[/QUOTE]
The trick is to find some sort of angle where you can tell stories about Storm that you wouldn't necessarily tell in an X-Men book. Wolverine for example has been doing it for decades.
Storm spending some time in Wakanda outside of the X-Men school is certainly a possible outlet there. But I do think a Storm writer does need to give Storm something entirely her own. Something that's not inherently a part of the X-Men or a part of Wakanda. Otherwise it's probably not worth giving Storm her own book. You can tell the same stories in either the X-Men books or in the BP books. Like a lot of things, it's about execution.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3285962]The trick is to find some sort of angle where you can tell stories about Storm that you wouldn't necessarily tell in an X-Men book. Wolverine for example has been doing it for decades.
Storm spending some time in Wakanda outside of the X-Men school is certainly a possible outlet there. But I do think a Storm writer does need to give Storm something entirely her own. Something that's not inherently a part of the X-Men or a part of Wakanda. Otherwise it's probably not worth giving Storm her own book. You can tell the same stories in either the X-Men books or in the BP books. Like a lot of things, it's about execution.[/QUOTE]
Wolverine had the benefit of debuting outside of the X-Men, having his backstory have very little to do with any other X-Men related things, and having been incorporated into many non X-Men related team ups.
I think they could have done this with Rogue if they'd made an honest attempt back in the 90s.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3285938]Honestly I think there are only a small small hand full of characters who are capable of carrying a solo book indefinitely. I doubt there's even a dozen in marvel. Heck, there's probably barely a dozen in marvel and DC combined.
There's probably enough interest level in Storm to at least make attempts at giving her a solo, but realistically she like 99% of the characters in MU likely won't be able to sustain a solo book indefinitely in the present market.[/QUOTE]
[B]They have to actually have some sort of draw, as well as an established history, as well as a rogue gallery. Honestly i think there are more heroes out there that can hold a solo, it depends on the writer, the artist, and how willing editorial is willing to promote the character.[/B]
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[QUOTE=XPac;3285962]The trick is to find some sort of angle where you can tell stories about Storm that you wouldn't necessarily tell in an X-Men book. Wolverine for example has been doing it for decades.
Storm spending some time in Wakanda outside of the X-Men school is certainly a possible outlet there. But I do think a Storm writer does need to give Storm something entirely her own. Something that's not inherently a part of the X-Men or a part of Wakanda. Otherwise it's probably not worth giving Storm her own book. You can tell the same stories in either the X-Men books or in the BP books. Like a lot of things, it's about execution.[/QUOTE]
[B]The thing is BP was exposing Storm to a world outside of the X men franchise, she was in CW, she was with him in the FF after CW, and she could of thrived and made a name for herself outside of the xmen.. But the X office just had to have their exotic fetish back so that killed the chances she had.. Now it just looks sad, Storm is leeching off of T'Challa and folks are acting like T'Challa has to return some favor that was actually never given.[/B]
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3285340]I would remind you to avoid talking about things you clearly know nothing about, which means you may just want to delete your account.
Since Storm is apparently so popular, it's weird she had to use Panther's book as a launchpad to get her own series off the ground.
Twice.
Maybe this time she'll hit 12 issues.[/QUOTE]
Otherworldly rebuttal.
I can dig it.
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This might not make a difference to a lot of people, but can one say with a straight face that BP "doesn't sell" for traditional reasons when we know people out there actively avoid books with black leads? Those same people will try to make it appear as if it's a traditional sales problem when the lack of sales isn't just guided by those things.
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[QUOTE=Moose100;3286129]This might not make a difference to a lot of people, but can one say with a straight face that BP "doesn't sell" for traditional reasons when we know people out there actively avoid books with black leads? Those same people will try to make it appear as if it's a traditional sales problem when the lack of sales isn't just guided by those things.[/QUOTE]
Again, as far as being able to maintain an on-going solo, 99% of the characters can't do it. I think the inability to do so less a short coming in any given character and more a reality check on just how difficult the market can be.
Most of the characters that can sustain on-going books are guys Stan Lee wrote solo books for. A fee newer characters have snuck in there since like Wolverine and maybe Deadpool, but the bottom line is that its hard. You have to capture lightning in a bottle. Fortunately for BP fans that might just be happening as we speak.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3286137]Again, as far as being able to maintain an on-going solo, 99% of the characters can't do it. I think the inability to do so less a short coming in any given character and more a reality check on just how difficult the market can be.
Most of the characters that can sustain on-going books are guys Stan Lee wrote solo books for. A fee newer characters have snuck in there since like Wolverine and maybe Deadpool, but the bottom line is that its hard. You have to capture lightning in a bottle. Fortunately for BP fans that might just be happening as we speak.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's a fair comparison when racism plays a role.
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[QUOTE=Moose100;3286168]I don't think it's a fair comparison when racism plays a role.[/QUOTE]
The sad reality is that where the mutants are billed as victims of racism in their stories, BP actually has to deal with it, in-story & in terms of publication & production.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3285202]My brother, you do know that Coates disrespect of the BP mythos makes it impossible for me to respect anything he brings to the table, yes?[/QUOTE]
I complerely understand your perspective and not trying to convince you in any way. I just see things differently at least from his approach with their interaction.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3285790][COLOR="#000080"]Funny thing is that some Storm fans would like to believe that all BP fans hate Storm. That's the farthest thing from the truth. While there are BP fans who could care less about her, there are BP fans who do like Storm. However...
What we clearly don't like are posters who spout nonsense like Storm propping up BP when in fact she had to appear in a BP title to escape the hell that is the X-verse when it comes to Black mutants.
Both Storm and T'Challa benefitted from their marriage no doubt, that is until the X-Office decided to get involved. After all was said and done, what did we end up at the end of the day?
T'Challa involved in huge Marvel event, you could actually say 2 - Time Runs Out and Secret War.
T'Challa successful ongoing solo(still can't stand Coates).
T'Challa break-out star of hit movie Civil War.
T'Challa about to have one of the most highly anticipated movie releases.
T'Challa all kinds of swag coming out.
Storm and T'Challa's marriage ended way before any of this came about as she had long since moved on to Logan in a move orchestrated by the X-Office simply to take a shot a BP. So after all the media exposure and rise in profile for BP, Storm is back in his life.
What X-title out there do you see reference that she is involved with T'Challa? None. But they are sure quick to bring back Gentle in a hurry.
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I honestly wish fans on both sides could move beyond what happened during Ivx and look to how things are being handled now between the two of them. regardless of if you supported the marriage or not most people can acknowledge Coates handling of the two now is good.
[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;3285898]Is that Angela with her fine self?[/QUOTE]
Yes it's her!!
[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3285919]Yeah, they managed to milk 11 whole issues out of her storied past. She [U]nearly[/U] tied with Shuri.
Maybe her new series can get a legacy renumbering after issue #3 so she can be at #15.[/QUOTE]
Ha someone is upset Storm is getting a solo and even more upset she is and forever will be tied to Wakanda and Tchalla. But once you get out of your feelings let's give you a history lesson. Storm was leader of the Xmen at the time they were most popular and as such was able to win against WW in a fan voted crossover event. Her inability to sustain a solo had nothing to do with the character or her popularity. Even after the neglect the character has gotten post the marriage due primarily to Marvel not owning all the xmen properties she still is recognised as one of the most popular black superhero characters with celebrities such as Beyonce liking her. Your ill-attempt at being clever by areferencing a solo that failed not because of her but do to boring stories doesn't in any way diminish her impact. And seeing that Fox is about to seal the deal with Marvel her impact is about to grow not only in Wakanda (on screen and in the comics) but also in the overall MY.
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It just hit me that Moon Girl has more issues of solo comics than Storm. The X-Men franchise really messed up. Should have built their Utopia idea as Storm using her Wakandan influence to create a safehaven for mutants that was outside of Wakanda. Could have been used to tie the X-Men and BP franchises together in a healthy way and created interesting tension in BP's book as the rest of the world would have to look at Wakanda as a potential threat (could see anti-mutant villains in the US trying to pitch it as Wakanda expanding, "where will us normies go now that black people are creating safe places for mutants?" That type of bigoted BS).
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3286258]Your ill-attempt at being clever by areferencing a solo that failed not because of her but do to boring stories doesn't in any way diminish her impact. And seeing that Fox is about to seal the deal with Marvel her impact is about to grow not only in Wakanda (on screen and in the comics) but also in the overall MY.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm clever as hell.
What I am not, is someone that spends a significant time typing out whack ass rebuttals when the numbers speak for themselves.
Run along.
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[QUOTE=robreedwrites;3286274]It just hit me that Moon Girl has more issues of solo comics than Storm.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I realized that when I was busting on Storm earlier. But it was funnier to point out that Shuri, as Black Panther, had more issues than Storm.