[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3770770]well i take word on this. you seem to have a lot more knowledge as it relates to this stuff. are you liking the new arc or are you not reading it?[/QUOTE]
I think it's a decent STAR WARS comic.... :D
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3770770]well i take word on this. you seem to have a lot more knowledge as it relates to this stuff. are you liking the new arc or are you not reading it?[/QUOTE]
I think it's a decent STAR WARS comic.... :D
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3770781]I think it's a decent STAR WARS comic.... :D[/QUOTE]
lololololol.... that beginning is all star wars lolol. I think it's cute
[QUOTE=XPac;3770719]Read the post I was quoting. It said issue should be good for the first issue, then asks if it can be sustained.
And I was simply answering that no... the book won't be able to sustain it.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]We all know that subsequent issues will not be on the same level as the 1st issue.
Sustaining it means no significant drops. 20-30% is fine. Over 40% and the book is failing.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3770820][COLOR="#000080"]We all know that subsequent issues will not be on the same level as the 1st issue.
Sustaining it means no significant drops. 20-30% is fine. Over 40% and the book is failing.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
The first issue moved 122k units, from what I understand. I'd actually be impressed if it can move 40% of that.
[QUOTE=XPac;3770719]Read the post I was quoting. It said issue should be good for the first issue, then asks if it can be sustained.
And I was simply answering that no... the book won't be able to sustain it.[/QUOTE]
[B]You said the book won't be able to sustain the sale Numbers of issue one, which no one was saying it would, what everyone had been taking about is whether it can sustain good numbers or will it fall down to where it was last season, ie hovering around 20k very few books stay at a issue 1 number unless it launched at a lower number to begin with and even then it wouldn't be the case[/B]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3770851][B]You said the book won't be able to sustain the sale Numbers of issue one, which no one was saying it would, what everyone had been taking about is whether it can sustain good numbers or will it fall down to where it was last season, ie hovering around 20k very few books stay at a issue 1 number unless it launched at a lower number to begin with and even then it wouldn't be the case[/B][/QUOTE]
I agree... no one said it would sustain the sales the first issue had. And I never said anyone said that.
The post asked if it could be sustained, and I gave my answer to the question. I'm not sure what the issue is here.
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let me stop because i don't understand the mechanics associated with how comics make money. [B] i thought if a book was going through second prints it was indication that demand for the comic was pretty high and that there was not an initial supply enough to support the demand. so you could be right.[/B] all in all, the point is we still have to wait and see how this book continues to do over the next several months.[/QUOTE]
If we are talking about comics NOT named Marvel or DC-it is sort of a big deal.
Like books for Scout Comics-will hit a second printing before the first issue is sent out to stores. Because they low print like CRAZY-which is how a book like Solar Man issue 1 goes for higher than need prices on Ebay.
I know Boom's Abbott and Image's Motor Crush had to get second printings for first issues before they came out.
Now if we talk Marvel-the issue with second printing is a LOT of stores have copies of the first printing if you know where to look.
Take Spider-Gwen 24-that was a blood money Ebay issue-yet I found 2-3 stores with first print for cover price.
Star Wars had 5 printings-I can get first print for issue one cheap.
If I was to go by my store-Marvel has nothing to worry about with Panther nor Cap America. IRON MAN is another issue. When a WHOLE row is nothing but first issues of Iron man-I would be worried.
125K is nice but how many copies of that issue were BOUGHT? I can go to used book store and books that have those high numbers are the MAIN ones packing the bins or grab bags. I went to one store that had grab bags or 10 comics for $5 and 25 for $10. I saw 100 of them. You KNOW you got an issue when a pack had $7 books starring Batman. That is how bad that store wanted to get rid of stock. It wasn't just Bats but X-Men, Superman, WW and many others.
Which is why I hear more and more store owners say-they are TIRED of Batman and have NO issue with Black Panther or America or Jane Foster or Ms Marvel. They don't leave huge piles of unsold books.
Gosh Dang Darnit Doo Hickey...
I accidentally bought 100,000 copies of issue one by mistake... Now where did I put that receipt? :cool:
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perhaps but like I said time will tell. issue 2 depending what percent drop we see should give more insight to this.
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#2 won't tell us a ton other than the starting point for the decline
it'll be #3 at best, most likely not til #5ish that things level off.
Each renumbering gets depreciating results so, i'd guess #3 will be the "true" orders
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Ugh, I need to do major update to the blog/website... so busy and God of War is more fun than the blog lol
The second issue still tells a lot because it'll cut out the noise of speculators and variant covers and actually go for the number of preorders the store wants because they believe they can sell them to actual customers. Sure, it'll likely drop after that, but books always drop. There isn't a magic number where they level off - some books level off relatively quickly and hold steady, other books continue to free-fall until they're cancelled.
All that being said, none of this is proof that relaunches don't work - despite a possible drop and return to status quo, a huge temporary boost in sales is still a huge boost in sales from Marvel's perspective. They make more money from a relaunch than they do from not relaunching it.
[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3771284]The second issue still tells a lot because it'll cut out the noise of speculators and variant covers and actually go for the number of preorders the store wants because they believe they can sell them to actual customers. [/QUOTE]
It will tell us the interest in the concept/plot, yeah.
But, obviously, not if people are enjoying it or not. That takes a few issues to catch up on.
Ok, just went ahead and updated the graphs btw:
Coates Run:
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Complete Black Panther ongoings:
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A look at the three most recent mini series:
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I'm curious about the bump for issue #4 of Rise.
[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3771284]All that being said, none of this is proof that relaunches don't work - despite a possible drop and return to status quo, a huge temporary boost in sales is still a huge boost in sales from Marvel's perspective. They make more money from a relaunch than they do from not relaunching it.[/QUOTE]
No, for that I look at other numbers. There's a rather funky piece out there that includes an analysis of relaunch numbers... and shows that, over the long run, books actually LOSE readers after a relaunch. Unfortunately, because the article is a "twine", I can't link to the data directly, and it's a bit too long to cut & paste, but he runs the numbers for WOLVERINE< UNCANNY X-MEN, and ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN, so I think it's a valid sample.
[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3771330]I'm curious about the bump for issue #4 of Rise.[/QUOTE]
Only thing I can think of is positive word of mouth and Doom on the cover.
Man, imagine if something like rise came out during the great Black Panther boom that WoW got to take advantage of.
WoW may be one of the biggest mistakes in Black Panther comic history looking back. The mythos had a chance of a true spin off, there was massive hype going around, and they wasted it on a writer that had no business writing comics.
Even if I have issues on the story they wanted to tell (about the Dora revolution)... the writer they picked was so bad that no great plot could have saved it.
Given the way ordering works, I'd put more money on "Doom on the cover".