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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3773947]Preliminary research suggests that is accurate. Nice to know that with folks like Redjack & Narcisse chomping at the bit to write BP, some nobody from TV gets a mini.[/QUOTE]
He's a pretty big comic book fan. [url=http://www.attilanrising.com/podcast/episode-40-special-guest-daniel-kibblesmith/]Here's[/url] an interview with him about the Lockjaw miniseries (it's fairly light-hearted and full of tangents), but one of the interesting things is he's a huge fan of Dennis Dunfrey, so he definitely has a knowledge of obscure comic minutia. I don't know why it has to be an either/or thing. He got a job writing something but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be opportunities for others as well.
That being said, I thought Geoffrey Thorne has said that he doesn't currently want to write a BP book because the character's in a very different direction than he would take him. Maybe I'm misremembering that.
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My only issue is the constant stream of it.
Of course, I don't follow other characters as closely, but in the last few years, we've had Coates, Gay, Brown, Narcisse, Nnedi, Covington, and Yona. None of them with any comic experience at all and it shows in their final product to various degrees.
I mean, maybe finding Big 2 comic writers is really hard these days. I don't know the "independent" scene at all. Maybe finding black writers to write Black Panther is very very difficult.
*shrug*
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I just can't shake the feeling that, as far as editorial is concerned, it's all about the IP. Movie comes out, throw as many comics using the characters onto the shelves as possible, on the off chance SOMEBODY sees it and makes the connection. The fact that the stories may or may not be good is irrelevant. Gotta flog those trademarks.
In the short term, it brings in the bucks, but in the long run, it dilutes the brand due to oversaturation.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3775028]I just can't shake the feeling that, as far as editorial is concerned, it's all about the IP. Movie comes out, throw as many comics using the characters onto the shelves as possible, on the off chance SOMEBODY sees it and makes the connection. The fact that the stories may or may not be good is irrelevant. Gotta flog those trademarks.
In the short term, it brings in the bucks, but in the long run, it dilutes the brand due to oversaturation.[/QUOTE]
It almost makes sense buuuuuut when a brother sees how methodical and meticulous they are with who is put on say Iron Man, Spiderman, Avengers... I don't think they are as random as they seem. I truly believe even with the popularity of the Black Panther movie, the comic editorial dept hasn't caught up or cared about the character. Before you mention that he's on Avengers main book, in my estimation Marvel comics will have made progress when i see a company wide crossver that impacts multiple books with Panther as front and center. I would point to wolverine as example of character that Marvel truly cares about and they put all hands on deck attitude for.
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[QUOTE=dkrook;3775099]It almost makes sense buuuuuut when a brother sees how methodical and meticulous they are with who is put on say Iron Man, Spiderman, Avengers... I don't think they are as random as they seem. I truly believe even with the popularity of the Black Panther movie, the comic editorial dept hasn't caught up or cared about the character. Before you mention that he's on Avengers main book, in my estimation Marvel comics will have made progress when i see a company wide crossver that impacts multiple books with Panther as front and center. I would point to wolverine as example of character that Marvel truly cares about and they put all hands on deck attitude for.[/QUOTE]
Well, the last MCU movie is (of course) ANT-MAN & THE WASP. So, naturally, there are TWO series out with almost the exact same name:
1. ANT-MAN & THE WASP, and
2. ANT-MAN & THE WASP: LIVING LEGENDS
Like that's not going to cause confusion.
And with BP, we have the Wakanda Forever project, which had NOTHING to do with the movie (or even Wakanda, in any major sense... the issues take place in the US and do not include a threat to Wakanda at all), but manages to simultaneously shoehorn two movie characters back into continuity (sort of) and take advantage of a viral meme at the same time.
As for Wolvie, he's a PERFECT example of market oversaturation. He used to be a sure thing, bumping up sales with every guest appearance. But now, even with a movie like LOGAN raising his profile, even raising him from the dead seems to be a "meh" thing.
Of course, while he was dead, we had "old Wolvie", "young evil Wolvie", "young female Wolvie", "even younger female Wolvie", & "alternate universe blond Wolvie."
But hey, they REALLY care about the character. :D
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3774956]He's a pretty big comic book fan. [url=http://www.attilanrising.com/podcast/episode-40-special-guest-daniel-kibblesmith/]Here's[/url] an interview with him about the Lockjaw miniseries (it's fairly light-hearted and full of tangents), but one of the interesting things is he's a huge fan of Dennis Dunfrey, so he definitely has a knowledge of obscure comic minutia. I don't know why it has to be an either/or thing. He got a job writing something but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be opportunities for others as well.
That being said, I thought Geoffrey Thorne has said that he doesn't currently want to write a BP book because the character's in a very different direction than he would take him. Maybe I'm misremembering that.[/QUOTE]
[B]That isn't entirely true. I remember having to this conversation with Thorne About it last year. It's not that he doesn't want to write BP. I wish I could find the post here but it was that he didn't feel he COULD write BP now because Coates took him in a different direction and he felt he missed his chance. To Which I told him he should try again once BP movie hits. And he can always do his take so long as it's still I. Line with Tchalla. [/B]
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3774984]My only issue is the constant stream of it.
Of course, I don't follow other characters as closely, but in the last few years, we've had Coates, Gay, Brown, Narcisse, Nnedi, Covington, and Yona. None of them with any comic experience at all and it shows in their final product to various degrees.
I mean, maybe finding Big 2 comic writers is really hard these days. I don't know the "independent" scene at all. Maybe finding black writers to write Black Panther is very very difficult.
*shrug*[/QUOTE]
[B]Yeah but the. Dude's like Redjack (Black writer check, comic experience check, BP fan check, wants to write BP and did a great job with him on that Lexus comic check,) don't get a shot because he isn't a "hot" item outside comics. But sure hire on folks who take an axe to your IP's mythos is super smart. I mean BP broke all types of records and shattered expectations. Marvel should be trying to get the best on his books [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3775135][B]Yeah but the. Dude's like Redjack (Black writer check, comic experience check, BP fan check, wants to write BP and did a great job with him on that Lexus comic check,) don't get a shot because he isn't a "hot" item outside comics. But sure hire on folks who take an axe to your IP's mythos is super smart. I mean BP broke all types of records and shattered expectations. Marvel should be trying to get the best on his books [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeeeeess! Agreed 120%, i know there were standard moves made to spit out some limited books due to the movie but i don't get why with all the obvious love for Panther the world has right now, what the hell is up with the business as usual mode that has set in on the book side. It's not even sound business methodology.
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The ethnicity and gender of the writer is irrelevant to me especially as the BP scribe currently writing the mythos onto the proverbial ground, is an African-American.
All I want is for a writer who's actually interested writing T'challa and his world correctly, to come onboard on clean Coates taint off of this book.
Why Marvel stay unleashing these neophytes with an axe to grind at T'Challa's expense is beyond comprehension but whoever signed off on the blatant fanfiction Coates engaged in using the BP solo as a convenient platform to build a portfolio to go write an X-book, needs to be fired.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3775282]The ethnicity and gender of the writer is irrelevant to me especially as the BP scribe currently writing the mythos onto the proverbial ground, is an African-American.
All I want is for a writer who's actually interested writing T'challa and his world correctly, to come onboard on clean Coates taint off of this book.
Why Marvel stay unleashing these neophytes with an axe to grind at T'Challa's expense is beyond comprehension but whoever signed off on the blatant fanfiction Coates engaged in using the BP solo as a convenient platform to build a portfolio to go write an X-book, needs to be fired.[/QUOTE]
It was probably Alex Alonso, so that already happened. lol
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3774984]My only issue is the constant stream of it.
Of course, I don't follow other characters as closely, but in the last few years, we've had Coates, Gay, Brown, Narcisse, Nnedi, Covington, and Yona. None of them with any comic experience at all and it shows in their final product to various degrees.
[B]I mean, maybe finding Big 2 comic writers is really hard these days. I don't know the "independent" scene at all. Maybe finding black writers to write Black Panther is very very difficult.
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*shrug*[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Or maybe Marvel didn't like their pitch.
Marvel's been going hard at having diversity with it's creative teams. While that's always a good thing, they gotta have people who know what their doing when writing comics. They also need editors to step in and correct when needed.
It's like Marvel is lining up writers to do a Black Panther VERTIGO comic instead of mainstream superhero comics.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3775135][B]Yeah but the. Dude's like Redjack (Black writer check, comic experience check, BP fan check, wants to write BP and did a great job with him on that Lexus comic check,) don't get a shot because he isn't a "hot" item outside comics. But sure hire on folks who take an axe to your IP's mythos is super smart. I mean BP broke all types of records and shattered expectations. Marvel should be trying to get the best on his books [/B][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Marvel is trying too hard to be cute with lining up all these non-comic writers. Whatever fame they have outside of comics doesn't translate into their fans/twitter followers jumping over to comics if they've never followed them before. And it certainly doesn't help if these writers don't research the source material thoroughly..
They cherry pick what they want to write about and revise it to fit whatever story they want to do, even if it means making BP/Wakanda look bad in the process.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=dkrook;3775168]Yeeeeess! Agreed 120%, i know there were standard moves made to spit out some limited books due to the movie but i don't get why with all the obvious love for Panther the world has right now, what the hell is up with the business as usual mode that has set in on the book side. It's not even sound business methodology.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]It's a head-scratcher for sure. One of the most successful movies of all time and they put out stuff that doesn't capitalize on it.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3775282]The ethnicity and gender of the writer is irrelevant to me especially as the BP scribe currently writing the mythos onto the proverbial ground, is an African-American.
All I want is for a writer who's actually interested writing T'challa and his world correctly, to come onboard on clean Coates taint off of this book.
Why Marvel stay unleashing these neophytes with an axe to grind at T'Challa's expense is beyond comprehension but whoever signed off on the blatant fanfiction Coates engaged in using the BP solo as a convenient platform to build a portfolio to go write an X-book, needs to be fired.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]If you're going to get someone who never wrote comics before, at least get someone who likes BP and respects the work of the best writers who came before.
You don't just strip all that away because your own misguided interpretation of what you think BP and Wakanda are.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3775360][COLOR="#000080"]If you're going to get someone who never wrote comics before, at least get someone who likes BP and respects the work of the best writers who came before.
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Which is probably the reason the only writer i've liked is Narcisse, and even then, you could tell he was 100% new to this.
Rembert's Kasper issue was fine. I liked Yona's Zenzi thing but the Crew was so bad and I'm not sure who wrote what there.
Coates is Coates. Roxanne is one of the worst comic writers i've ever suffered through, Covington had two issues and decided to write about some rando he made up, and Nnedi should have been giving Shuri book to write instead of forcing someone who REPEATEDLY said she likes to write african/black girl sci fi a T'challa book.
It is one thing to be a "meh" comic writer... it is another thing to be a meh comic writer AND not even like the main character lol.