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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2313478][B]Too bad Coates isn't creative enough to shave T'Challa 1v4 stane and the goons to actually give T'Challa a actual decent dear under his belt. This entire series he hasn't gained a single feat at all and we are 7 issues in... he needs some feats or this ending would have to be so huge and awesome that it somehow makes up for it.. I would go with feats now if I were Coates rather then trying to rely on his claim of an epic ending[/B][/QUOTE]
He's got five issues left before the 1st arc ends in order to have T'Challa do something impressive. The farce push is hardly visually stunning, accept to have T'Challa take a punch. I don't know, I just don't believe he'll have any big feats in this.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2313698]He's got five issues left before the 1st arc ends in order to have T'Challa do something impressive. The farce push is hardly visually stunning, accept to have T'Challa take a punch. I don't know, I just don't believe he'll have any big feats in this.[/QUOTE]
Depending on how you define big feats, there aren't really any A list villains in the story or anything like that. So beating the crap out of the MA or the People might not qualify as a big feat anyways depending on your definition. I do think he'll beat thrm, but I don't think that necessarily gets BP a whole lot of bragging rights on the Rumbles boards.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2313709]Depending on how you define big feats, there aren't really any A list villains in the story or anything like that. So beating the crap out of the MA or the People might not qualify as a big feat anyways depending on your definition. I do think he'll beat thrm, but I don't think that necessarily gets BP a whole lot of bragging rights on the Rumbles boards.[/QUOTE]
It's not about A-List villains. Liss had BP take on both Lady Bullseye and Typhoid Mary who are no way near A-List villains but he had T'Challa pull of some impressive stuff. Aaron had T'Challa and Storm take down a bunch of no name Skrulls and people were all over it.
There are feats that could be done in this series and you don't need to go up against an A-List villain to do it. They way Coates is writing this story, that just doesn't seem in his wheelhouse right now.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2313725]It's not about A-List villains. Liss had BP take on both Lady Bullseye and Typhoid Mary who are no way near A-List villains but he had T'Challa pull of some impressive stuff. Aaron had T'Challa and Storm take down a bunch of no name Skrulls and people were all over it.
There are feats that could be done in this series and you don't need to go up against an A-List villain to do it. They way Coates is writing this story, that just doesn't seem in his wheelhouse right now.[/QUOTE]
Eh ... I'm not sure Storm beating a bunch of Skulls that she technically could have wiped out in 3 seconds if she felt like using her powers really qualifies as much if a feat ... but in the general sense it's certainly possible to pull something off without a listers.
That said Coates flat out fighting isn't his strong point so combat feats might fall under that. We'll see.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2313709]Depending on how you define big feats, there aren't really any A list villains in the story or anything like that. So beating the crap out of the MA or the People might not qualify as a big feat anyways depending on your definition. I do think he'll beat thrm, but I don't think that necessarily gets BP a whole lot of bragging rights on the Rumbles boards.[/QUOTE]
[B]If hardly call that an excuse. You wanna see a impressive feat, have Tetu go against storm and overpower her in terms of weather power., That is one way to make him seem more threatening. Not job her out, but hold his own and gain a advantage. Make the villains threatening and it doesn't matter if there A-list or not. Next argument [/B]
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Black Panther's debut on Ultron Revolution today was probably one of the strongest debuts of a new hero on the show. The characterization was great, he played off the team well, we got plenty of the Dora's and Aneka, Klaw was used effectively, and Panther got plenty of cool moments :cool:.
Though Marvel Animation seriously needs a bigger budget for their cartoons...
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[QUOTE=XPac;2313765]Eh ... I'm not sure Storm beating a bunch of Skulls that she technically could have wiped out in 3 seconds if she felt like using her powers really qualifies as much if a feat ... but in the general sense it's certainly possible to pull something off without a listers.
That said Coates flat out fighting isn't his strong point so combat feats might fall under that. We'll see.[/QUOTE]
Aaron showed that Storm has other skills other than hurling lightning bolts and we sure as heck don't know if her powers would have affected the Skrull warships at all. There were also Super Skrulls as well who had powers of their own so we don't know if Storm could have taken them out. T'Challa used strategy and the fact that the Skrulls underestimated Wakanda to put a plan together that brought them down.
We've seen a story in Uncanny X-Men where Storm couldn't stop Empath from eluding the X-Men while escaping on a motorcycle so she did more in this story without using her powers than she did in that story using her powers.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2313770][B]If hardly call that an excuse. You wanna see a impressive feat, have Tetu go against storm and overpower her in terms of weather power., That is one way to make him seem more threatening. Not job her out, but hold his own and gain a advantage. Make the villains threatening and it doesn't matter if there A-list or not. Next argument [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed. It's not the hero or the villain that creates the feat. It's how the writer uses them in the story.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;2313802]Black Panther's debut on Ultron Revolution today was probably one of the strongest debuts of a new hero on the show. The characterization was great, he played off the team well, we got plenty of the Dora's and Aneka, Klaw was used effectively, and Panther got plenty of cool moments :cool:.
Though Marvel Animation seriously needs a bigger budget for their cartoons...[/QUOTE]
They need to try to get some of the people doing the animation for DC.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2313770][B]If hardly call that an excuse. You wanna see a impressive feat, have Tetu go against storm and overpower her in terms of weather power., That is one way to make him seem more threatening. Not job her out, but hold his own and gain a advantage. Make the villains threatening and it doesn't matter if there A-list or not. Next argument [/B][/QUOTE]
That's exactly the point of the People overcoming T'Calla in round one of their fight. If they can't beat him, they're not really being sold to the audience as a threat to him. It's why I didn't have a huge problem with it.
But the seem to be throwing down with Stane and Fenris rather than the people, so the Crew can probably just flat out beat them without necessarily trying to put them over.
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In my mind good stories and having a compelling hero matter more than feats. Batman is the most popular superhero in the world but if you were to ask his fans why they like him no one would point to feats. When I was younger right before John Byrne took over Superman, he was powerful enuff to push the Earth out of obit, but as kids we thought he was still boring.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2313807]Aaron showed that Storm has other skills other than hurling lightning bolts and we sure as heck don't know if her powers would have affected the Skrull warships at all. There were also Super Skrulls as well who had powers of their own so we don't know if Storm could have taken them out. T'Challa used strategy and the fact that the Skrulls underestimated Wakanda to put a plan together that brought them down.
We've seen a story in Uncanny X-Men where Storm couldn't stop Empath from eluding the X-Men while escaping on a motorcycle so she did more in this story without using her powers than she did in that story using her powers.[/QUOTE]
Given that the fight essentially ended up hand to hand combat with spears, I think Storm could frankly have finished off the skulls (including the Super Skrull T'Challa fought) with relative ease. It's understandable that Aaron chose not to handle the story that way, but I would nonetheless consider that a case of handcuffing the hero to suit the story. Again, don't get me wrong... it was overall my favorite BP story of all time. But strictly speaking I wouldn't consider that a very good showing for Storm at all. Not a bad showing as she didn't job or anything ... but obviously she was limited.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;2313852]In my mind good stories and having a compelling hero matter more than feats. Batman is the most popular superhero in the world but if you were to ask his fans why they like him no one would point to feats. When I was younger right before John Byrne took over Superman, he was powerful enuff to push the Earth out of obit, but as kids we thought he was still boring.[/QUOTE]
I actually hated the Superman planet moving feat, because it never made sense to me. He should go through the planet before it ever comes close to moving. It's like trying to push a skyscrapper with a needle.
Funny thing about Batman too is that a lot of his best feats are the ones fans hate the character for. Like owning the whole JLA single handedly for example.
Anyways, I think this story is more character driven than anything else, so I'm not expecting a whole lot in the feats department. Though there are super villains, the underlying nature of the crisis is something that T'Challa can't necessarily punch out.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2313834]That's exactly the point of the People overcoming T'Calla in round one of their fight. If they can't beat him, they're not really being sold to the audience as a threat to him. It's why I didn't have a huge problem with it.
But the seem to be throwing down with Stane and Fenris rather than the people, so the Crew can probably just flat out beat them without necessarily trying to put them over.[/QUOTE]
[B]Lol except the people haven't come off as a threat at all, T'Challa had just been nerfed to make the story seem "dramatic" there is no explanation for why things are hoe they are. the military is stretched thin mysteriously, T'Challa looks depressed because of all the mysterious fires. And Wakanda is in the random chaos, none of which was shown on panel. So no, try again, these aren't actual threats T'Challas been made weak because Coates couldn't figure out how to make the villains actually formidable [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2313892][B]Lol except the people haven't come off as a threat at all, T'Challa had just been nerfed to make the story seem "dramatic" there is no explanation for why things are hoe they are. the military is stretched thin mysteriously, T'Challa looks depressed because of all the mysterious fires. And Wakanda is in the random chaos, none of which was shown on panel. So no, try again, these aren't actual threats T'Challas been made weak because Coates couldn't figure out how to make the villains actually formidable [/B][/QUOTE]
Tetu so far I would say is a credible threat. It's tough to guage exactly how powerful he is... but in the least I think you can make a pretty solid arguement he's more powerful than any of BP's rogues apart from Klaw. Which I suppose isn't saying much since most of BP's rogues either are low tier bricks (like Killmonger or Man Ape) or don't have powers at all (Hunter, Achebe). So having a legit meta human is a nice addition. And the fact that he's magical in nature probably makes him a bit more difficult to deal with since magic isn't necessarily T'Challa's strong point (though he's certainly dealt with it in the past).
But I do agree that his threat level probably needs to be increased. We haven't seen him do a whole lot... getting the better of T'Challa is an okay start, but I think right out of the gate but he probably needs to be built up more.
Coates could take a page from Hudlin's Morlun as far as making a real credible threat. That guy swept through Wakanda like a hot knife through butter. Minus the part where he slaughters members of BP's supporting cast (he's lost enough already), it would be cool to see that sort of threat.
But again, Coates focus is on problems which he can't just punch out. The villains are almost secondary.