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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3674901]Especially since no one man and rape were brought up throughout the run and dealt with in a spin-off book.[/QUOTE]
But some people want to act all extra using vacuously vapid and baseless arguments to support their opinions.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3675426]Bro, I have mad love and respect for you but here's the thing.
I will never endorse or "appreciate" any of the errant nonsense Coates has introduced into the BP Mythos.
The fact that his sole purpose for initiating all of these distortions was to turn Wakandans into Storm's personal acolytes is nothing short of disgraceful but hey, as long as you're happy with the elevation if your favored character within another characters solo book it's all good huh?
Under Coates pen, Wakanda was singlehandedly turned into a lawless cesspit replete with Boko Haram themed terrorism, gender inequality and a formerly intelligent Monarch ineplicably comfortable with sitting down to discuss "policy" with foreign despots and their ancilliary staff.
This writer wilfully chose to ignore where Jonathan Hickman left T'Challa and Wakanda at the close of Secret Wars II wherein Wakanda was on the cusp of leading the way to the stars.
The concept of wholesale dysfunction, misogyny/misandry, rape, hitherto unseen gender conflict and the wholly manufactured absence of Bast (to make way for Coates introduction of humans ascending to "godhood" Bs.) was much palatable to a writer hell bent on using the BP solo as a convenient platform to possibly secure a writing gig on an X-book.
Sorry but I can't roll with Coates self serving agenda especially when it flies in the face of established BP lore and previously published canon.
I thank Bast for the fact that the BP movie at least features a Wakanda independent of this writers blight.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#0000CD"]Definitely agree. Coates hasn't done anything to elevate [B][U][I]T'Challa[/I][/U][/B] and this new space empire is just another shot at Wakandan society by him.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3675203][B] Coates goes to great lengths to make sure Wakanda is no better then the restof the world of not worse for being hypocrites[/B]
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Agreed, but on the bright side at least the victims are fiction races with no metaphor beyond 'kinda like the Indians'.
I doubt future writers will build upon it, and it'll be forgotten like T'Challa's telepathy.
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Wakanda did tge world a service to drive off those savages, who didn't worship the same gods, and had weird customs. They are lucky the wakandas gave them any land at all. Assimilate or die.
If wakanda was smart, they would have used these less evolved, animal like creatures as slave labor instead. They dont have the mental capabilities for more.
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Even T'challa on panel is like "yoooo this is kind of messed up"
Best case scenario, is that T'challa fixes the Wakanda empire and gives it to the alien dudes. Then they are forever forgotten from canon again lol
Oh and I am still waiting for the twist that Mother is a bad guy! I'll hold on to it until it happens!
[QUOTE=KingNomarch;3675080]From Evan’s Twitter[/QUOTE]
Evan's is my dude!
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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3675309]T'Challa should not be reacting to the news as if he's suprised that humans came after other beings. He could be thrown off that the land may be magical without the added Vibranium. That could make sense of his reaction to the news and the thought that these mythical beast knew more about the land than prehistoric Wakandan man. But it's preposterous for anyone that's read Priest's Black Panther #26: Secrets, Seduction & Storm to honestly tell themselves that Wakanda was always "Wakanda" and I'm confused as to why I haven't seen it mentioned more.[/QUOTE]
I mentioned Black Panther #26 around the time the Originators reveal came out. I honestly don't think many people had read the issue yet because most people didn't really comment on it, but that was the first thing I thought of when I read the issue.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3675448][COLOR="#0000CD"]Definitely agree. Coates hasn't done anything to elevate [B][U][I]T'Challa[/I][/U][/B] and this new space empire is just another shot at Wakandan society by him.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I honestly can't think of a positive defining trait of Coates Panther. Like something you think back and go, "Coates Panther is XYZ." Like Priest's was plans upon plans, kingly, ect. Hudlin's was very brash and confident, "in your face."
Coates is... good at using his people lol?
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3675569]I mentioned Black Panther #26 around the time the Originators reveal came out. I honestly don't think many people had read the issue yet because most people didn't really comment on it, but that was the first thing I thought of when I read the issue.[/QUOTE]
The resurrection chamber?
I don't see how that applies, as the Originators aren't treated as alien, and demonstrate no technological ability, in the flashbacks or the arc itself
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3675569]I mentioned Black Panther #26 around the time the Originators reveal came out. I honestly don't think many people had read the issue yet because most people didn't really comment on it, but that was the first thing I thought of when I read the issue.[/QUOTE]
You mean the one page talk from the Lemurian dude talks about being there well before any human could stand upright? Or am I forgetting something more substantial?
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I honestly don't think the argument is, "Wakandan's were the first people here and have always been here!" The disagreement is that that the reveal that Wakadanda Pilgrim/Native American'd the native species and the fact some (2?) people are pretending the analogy isn't valid just because this species was somehow "unevolved."
Coates even uses the word pilgrims lol. Has a trail of tears and everything lol.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3675608]You mean the one page talk from the Lemurian dude talks about being there well before any human could stand upright? Or am I forgetting something more substantial?
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I honestly don't think the argument is, "Wakandan's were the first people here and have always been here!" The disagreement is that that the reveal that Wakadanda Pilgrim/Native American'd the native species and the fact some (2?) people are pretending the analogy isn't valid just because this species was somehow "unevolved."
Coates even uses the word pilgrims lol. Has a trail of tears and everything lol.[/QUOTE]
And the Lumarians were driven under water by the second host of celestials. I assume the resurrection was around that time.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3675562]Wakanda did tge world a service to drive off those savages, who didn't worship the same gods, and had weird customs. They are lucky the wakandas gave them any land at all. Assimilate or die.
If wakanda was smart, they would have used these less evolved, animal like creatures as slave labor instead. They dont have the mental capabilities for more.
.....
Even T'challa on panel is like "yoooo this is kind of messed up"
Best case scenario, is that T'challa fixes the Wakanda empire and gives it to the alien dudes. Then they are forever forgotten from canon again lol
Oh and I am still waiting for the twist that Mother is a bad guy! I'll hold on to it until it happens!
Evan's is my dude![/QUOTE]
[B]I mean, the Wakandans were ENTITLED to the land remember? Plus they were just mythical creature's, so it doesn't matter the pilgrims (Coates own choice of words) took Their land, the land the denizens lived peacefully, and thrived in. If anything, according to some, those mythical Savage's should be happy they were only Banished from their land (in chains) then forced to be slaves.
But you know being their birthright and all to take the land after originally coming with "good intentions" then how quickly it changes to the point the natives were offended.. why does that sound do familiar..
It's not like T'Challa was shocked and all due to his anscestors doing the exact same thing Wakanda chastised the rest of the world for.. I mean come on that would be insane Right?? Right.... [/B]
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[QUOTE=Cville;3675617]And the Lumarians were driven under water by the second host of celestials. I assume the resurrection was around that time.[/QUOTE]
My comic knowledge of Celestrials, Lumerians, and all those other ancient civilizations is pretty much shit lol.
Is it time for a BoG history lesson?
You know, if Coates actually liked the BP mythos, he could have very easily wrote the Originators as the bad guys lol. Originators helped, the Wakandans lived peacefully, the Originators saw a chance to enslave a weaker species, Originators learned ancient Wakandan's ain't no punk.
But, thanksgiving metaphors are cool too.
Back to the Panther Prowlers, it is so obvious Evan's is a Priest fan.
Can he get another mini to practice on? Back to Azzuri or something? Or back to Manuma-Fal or whatever that cool ass Panther's name was lol
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3675608]You mean the one page talk from the Lemurian dude talks about being there well before any human could stand upright? Or am I forgetting something more substantial?
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I honestly don't think the argument is, "Wakandan's were the first people here and have always been here!" The disagreement is that that the reveal that Wakadanda Pilgrim/Native American'd the native species and the fact some (2?) people are pretending the analogy isn't valid just because this species was somehow "unevolved."
Coates even uses the word pilgrims lol. Has a trail of tears and everything lol.[/QUOTE]
I'm not arguing that it's invalid because the species are unevolved, I'm simply arguing that later writers will ignore it because its a poorly constructed metaphor
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3675644]My comic knowledge of Celestrials, Lumerians, and all those other ancient civilizations is pretty much shit lol.
Is it time for a BoG history lesson?
You know, if Coates actually liked the BP mythos, he could have very easily wrote the Originators as the bad guys lol. Originators helped, the Wakandans lived peacefully, the Originators saw a chance to enslave a weaker species, Originators learned ancient Wakandan's ain't no punk.
But, thanksgiving metaphors are cool too.
Back to the Panther Prowlers, it is so obvious Evan's is a Priest fan.
Can he get another mini to practice on? Back to Azzuri or something? Or back to Manuma-Fal or whatever that cool ass Panther's name was lol[/QUOTE]
Also he could have changed the name and said they were humans that turned into rampaging monsters after the Vibranium fell. Bashenga and Wks used magic to send them away and now their back.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3675644]My comic knowledge of Celestrials, Lumerians, and all those other ancient civilizations is pretty much shit lol.
Is it time for a BoG history lesson?
You know, if Coates actually liked the BP mythos, he could have very easily wrote the Originators as the bad guys lol. Originators helped, the Wakandans lived peacefully, the Originators saw a chance to enslave a weaker species, Originators learned ancient Wakandan's ain't no punk.
But, thanksgiving metaphors are cool too.
Back to the Panther Prowlers, it is so obvious Evan's is a Priest fan.
Can he get another mini to practice on? Back to Azzuri or something? Or back to Manuma-Fal or whatever that cool ass Panther's name was lol[/QUOTE]
[B]He could of literally switched the roles
Then originators came to Wakanda (as they were living and thriving) they lived peacefully, the originators because jealous and attacked, Wakanda drove then away. What's funny is that not only does Coates try to make them sympathetic, but as per usual, he drops that plot line and does nothing further with it in the end Wakanda looks bad because they were just trying to get their land back and lost again..
As for Evans. All I need now is to see N'Yami motherships and I'm Good lol. I really want Rise to continue and be used as his comic to develop his writing skills further while giving us fans something we have been asking since BP's MCU debut[/B]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3675448][COLOR="#0000CD"]Definitely agree. Coates hasn't done anything to elevate [B][U][I]T'Challa[/I][/U][/B] and this new space empire is just another shot at Wakandan society by him.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Actual BP enthusiasts recognise this.
Goal post movers and Olympic level contortionists find it impossible to acknowledge this reality.