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[QUOTE=Cville;3181709]I would like to see Tchalla with a Wakandan scientist. Maybe head of R&D of WDG. Go on a space adventures. Maybe get powers later on.[/QUOTE]
That's been my wish for quite a while now. I've always thought Hudlin should have swapped Shuri for this type of love interest. I could have been almost the same story, but had a completely different trajectory for the whole mythos. There would be hundreds of fewer pages of posts without all the Storm back and forth. Just sayin
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[QUOTE=MoneySpider;3181538]You didn't answer the question about what YOU would do if Nakia was a real woman in YOUR life and she had done all of that stuff to YOU.
And since you gave the answer above, since that is how you feel and you believe that Nakia can be forgiven, then can you please explain to me why Storm, who has done far LESS than Nakia AND Doctor Doom AND Black Swan AND Namor against Wakanda, is still constantly crucified in this thread by so many posters? Last time I checked, Storm didn't kill Wakandans or flood the country or any of that other stuff that others have done against Wakanda. I may have missed some posts, but I don't see Namor get HALF the hate that I see Storm get in this thread, and Namor purposely flooded Wakanda.
So by your own logic, if Storm apologized for whatever people in this thread keep blaming her for, apologized and felt remorseful, than she should be welcomed back with open arms, right, just like Nakia?
Also, since Namor purposely flooded Wakanda on purpose, would you be open to him getting another chance if he apologized? Since Black Swan purposely killed Wakandan kids, would you be open to her getting another chance if she apologized?
I'm just confused as to why you say comics allow for people to be given second chances, but when it comes to Storm, people in this thread treat her like she's the ultimate villain who can NEVER be trusted and who they NEVER want to read about again, while saying other characters who ARE villains can get second chances.
As far as I'm concerned, if comics do allow or anyone to be forgiven for anything, then it must be true across the board. Nakia should be forgiven, Storm should be forgiven, Namor, should be forgiven, Doom should be forgiven, Klaw should be forgiven, Black Swan should be forgiven, etc. etc. But I don't buy that Nakia can be forgiven, Doom can go from villain to hero and everything is fine but Storm keeps getting shunned for having done far less than actual villains have done. It has to be equal across the board because if it's not, then it's just bias for or against a certain character at that point.[/QUOTE]
Were Namor, Black Swan or any other characters you mentioned in your post, married to T'Challa?
Simple question.
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[QUOTE=MoneySpider;3181538]You didn't answer the question about what YOU would do if Nakia was a real woman in YOUR life and she had done all of that stuff to YOU.
And since you gave the answer above, since that is how you feel and you believe that Nakia can be forgiven, then can you please explain to me why Storm, who has done far LESS than Nakia AND Doctor Doom AND Black Swan AND Namor against Wakanda, is still constantly crucified in this thread by so many posters? Last time I checked, Storm didn't kill Wakandans or flood the country or any of that other stuff that others have done against Wakanda. I may have missed some posts, but I don't see Namor get HALF the hate that I see Storm get in this thread, and Namor purposely flooded Wakanda.
So by your own logic, if Storm apologized for whatever people in this thread keep blaming her for, apologized and felt remorseful, than she should be welcomed back with open arms, right, just like Nakia?
Also, since Namor purposely flooded Wakanda on purpose, would you be open to him getting another chance if he apologized? Since Black Swan purposely killed Wakandan kids, would you be open to her getting another chance if she apologized?
I'm just confused as to why you say comics allow for people to be given second chances, but when it comes to Storm, people in this thread treat her like she's the ultimate villain who can NEVER be trusted and who they NEVER want to read about again, while saying other characters who ARE villains can get second chances.
As far as I'm concerned, if comics do allow or anyone to be forgiven for anything, then it must be true across the board. Nakia should be forgiven, Storm should be forgiven, Namor, should be forgiven, Doom should be forgiven, Klaw should be forgiven, Black Swan should be forgiven, etc. etc. But I don't buy that Nakia can be forgiven, Doom can go from villain to hero and everything is fine but Storm keeps getting shunned for having done far less than actual villains have done. It has to be equal across the board because if it's not, then it's just bias for or against a certain character at that point.[/QUOTE]
tell the TRUTH and shame the devil!!
I'm glad you are calling this out. enough with the double standards
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3181839]That's been my wish for quite a while now. I've always thought Hudlin should have swapped Shuri for this type of love interest. I could have been almost the same story, but had a completely different trajectory for the whole mythos. There would be hundreds of fewer pages of posts without all the Storm back and forth. Just sayin[/QUOTE]
Hudlun commented if Storm wasn't available, it would have been a WK women.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3181847]Were Namor, Black Swan or any other characters you mentioned in your post, married to T'Challa?
Simple question.[/QUOTE]
nope but some here have been shipping for black panther to be with black swan and nakia. storm has saved the Wakandan people a tousands time over and taken to task incessantly, but characters who have actually shown lethal aggression towards him and/or his people are being recommended as a love interest. So Maj, you called me out yesterday and today and now I'm calling you out. why the double standard?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3181857]tell the TRUTH and shame the devil!!
I'm glad you are calling this out. enough with the double standards[/QUOTE]
There isn't a double standard. Most don't like the idea because she is not a BP franchise property based on what happened in previous years. I'd be willing to bet if Storm was legally and financially divorced from the X franchise, no one would have a problem.
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[QUOTE=dkrook;3181809]You bring an interesting point about intersectionality of this element between book and movie. I'm waiting to see if there is a chance this movie goes so far beyond expectations that bigger and better writers push to get shot at writer Black Panther, moving Coates out allowing for movie version to partially at least wipe away current stuff Coates is doing.[/QUOTE]
My brother, that's exactly how I feel.
Coates dysfunctional Wakanda lead by his milquetoast take on T'Challa doesn't match up with the movie verse BP first seen in Avengers:Civil War or either one of the BP movie trailers that have dropped thus far.
Priest and Hudlin's respective takes on T'Challa, his supporting cast and Wakanda as a whole, are evidenced clearly in the aforementioned trailers and the enthusiastic reaction by viewers online coupled with commentary in the media make it abundantly clear that there is massive interest in T'Challa and his amazing Nation that crosses all racial, ethnic or gender lines.
Coates aberrant take on the BP Mythos will not be able to survive after the movie drops unless the writer makes the necessary adjustments to align the book more closely to what obtains within the movie.
Anyone with a genuine affection and appreciation for T'Challa, Shuri, Ramonda and Wakanda pre-Coates will definitely be down to see the BP mythos get the respect it's been so long denied.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3181873]There isn't a double standard. Most don't like the idea because she is not a BP franchise property based on what happened in previous years. I'd be willing to bet if Storm was legally and financially divorced from the X franchise, no one would have a problem.[/QUOTE]
If the ONLY arguement against Storm was that she was a part of the X-Office, then I'd agree with that.
But there are plenty of arguements against them over her actions in AvX. So that's an aspect of it too.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3181873]There isn't a double standard. Most don't like the idea because she is not a BP franchise property based on what happened in previous years. I'd be willing to bet if Storm was legally and financially divorced from the X franchise, no one would have a problem.[/QUOTE]
If that were simply the reason I would agree with you. but I have seen posters say storm was a traitor and storm had sex with wolverine after the marriage and that is some of the reasons why they shouldn't be together. however, the push for black swan and nakia to be with tchalla, even though they are two women who have killed Wakandan people and wished to do the same to him. so you ok with him being with murderers of wakanda but a woman who has saved their lives is off limits because she spited her husband? that's a double standard.
or they want storm to apologize for things she did after he annulled the marriage. why? she isn't obligated to do anything for him as that was severed when he ended their marriage. where are these same people calling him out for barely being able to choose his wife over an alien metal? where is the same outraged when after she saved his life he responded with a verbal assault in hells kitchen? where is the same outrage over him have a cell designed to contain her? this all happened while they were married. that's a double standard.
and how is tchalla forgiven due to poor writing for all the things that resulted during his time as king with the Illuminati and how he handled namor forgiven, but ororo isn't for actions she did as a scorned woman? that's a double standard.
i could go on and on like too short in this regards. the double standard goes beyond what you posted my friend and it has been like that for years.
Coates is trying to repair all those things post the marriage and I think he has done a great job of that. but we can't get beyond that because some wish to point back 5 or years ago to avx. it's clear the writers didn't like the two together and I would argue in storm case those writers didn't understand her character all around. i imagined she would have tried to work a plan with Tchalla to prevent both sides from fighting, but that didn't occur. it isn't storm that is the problem it was the writing and Coates is a person who seems to like and appreciate them both as a couple, and has done much to repair the damage done during avx.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3181878]If the ONLY arguement against Storm was that she was a part of the X-Office, then I'd agree with that.
But there are plenty of arguements against them over her actions in AvX. So that's an aspect of it too.[/QUOTE]
AvX is because of the X office. They wanted her back, campaigned for it and got what they wanted.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3181888]If that were simply the reason I would agree with you. but I have seen posters say storm was a traitor and storm had sex with wolverine after the marriage and that is some of the reasons why they shouldn't be together. however, the push for black swan and nakia, two women who have killed Wakandan people and wished to do the same to tchalla, to be together. so you ok with him being with murderers of wakanda but a woman who has saved their lives is off limits because she spited her husband? that's a double standard.
or they want storm to apologize for things she did after he annulled the marriage. why? she isn't obligated to do anything for him as that was severed when he ended their marriage. where are these same people calling him out for barely being able to choose his wife over an alien metal? where is the same outraged when after she saved his life he responded with a verbal assault in hells kitchen? where is the same outrage over him have a cell designed to contain her? this all happened while they were married. that's a double standard.
and how is tchalla forgiven due to poor writing for all the things that resulted during his time as king with the Illuminati and how he handled namor forgiven, but ororo isn't for actions she did as a scorned woman? that's a double standard.
i could go on and on like too short in this regards. the double standard goes beyond what you posted my friend and it has been like that for years.[/QUOTE]
And who is writing these stories? Could they write them if she wasn't attached to X-Men?
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[QUOTE=Cville;3181899]AvX is because of the X office. They wanted her back, campaigned for it and got what they wanted.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, but the point being some posters are still holding AvX against her as a reason against them being together.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3181906]And who is writing these stories? Could they write them if she wasn't attached to X-Men?[/QUOTE]
I'm sure they could but I'm not understanding where you are going with your question.
[QUOTE=XPac;3181915]Maybe, but the point being some posters are still holding AvX against her as a reason against them being together.[/QUOTE]
thank you! hence double standard.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3181878]If the ONLY arguement against Storm was that she was a part of the X-Office, then I'd agree with that.
But there are plenty of arguements against them over her actions in AvX. So that's an aspect of it too.[/QUOTE]
[B]Where do you think it stems from? Because she is an x property, shade will always be thrown, plus the marriage ended and it was a disaster marvel didn't support it so why do the same thing over again and expect different results?[/B]