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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3119625]Who is this Storm character everyone keeps referring to. She sounds like a plot device.:p[/QUOTE]
she's the one some here can't seem to stop talking about, the one tchalla is working his damnest to get back in his life, she is the goddess of the preserver of all natural things: The Hadari Yao!
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3119598]Whether 1 or 2 Wakandans or 2000,they were still threats. Minimizing the numbers doesn't change that.[/QUOTE]
You can certainly argue bring the X-Men there can be perceived as a threat. But my point is that bringing the guy who destroyed Wakame 2-3 times obviously is a potential threat too. But neither necessarily is a betrayal. What Storm did was no worse than what T'Challa did. If fact given Namor was involved in 2 attempts with Thanos to destroy Wakanda while the X-Men with Storm effectively did no real harm, I think it's fair to T'Challa actions were far far riskier.
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[QUOTE][QUOTE=butterflykyss;3119614]1. Because Tchalla was on the side that wanted to hide hope from the mutants. They were looking to find her and bring her back ad they are the not experienced when it comes to the Phoenix. And the Avnegers screw ups resorted I'm the Phoenix being split into 5 different hosts.[/QUOTE]
The Phoenix destroyed a planet on it's way to Earth and Hope was not ready for the Phoenix. There were mistakes on both sides.
[QUOTE]2. The difference between storm and her teammates and storm and BP is that she was married to BP and not her team. There is a certain level of consideration you afford your spouse that he didn't do for her when he went to hell's kitchen. And even still she let him do his thing and only interjected when he was in mortal danger. After saving his life he cut her deep with his tongue. Why would he expect her not to jump in to save her life when she saw him in need?[/QUOTE]
Then maybe she should have put her husband first and talked with him before sneaking X-Men into Wakanda. She put her team first in that instance. T'Challa made the same mistake by not going after his wife when the Avengers were having their Phoenix discussion. I said that when it first happened. T'Challa made his mistakes during AvX no doubt and he's so much as admitted them. Even die-hard BP fans called him out on some things. Not every BP fan defends his actions.
[QUOTE]3. That is the thing though, the things you (not you specifically but some bp fans) mentioned she did during AvX was characterized as a betrayal yet when BP did the exact if not worst things it was justified because he was saving the world. Storm waa doing the same or attempting to. Why isn't the same consideration afforded to her? When you take that into context Storm didn't do anything wrong. Yes the fighting was completely and totally inappropriate, but when your husband has verbally abused u simply for saving his life and also seemingly choosing alien material over you, why wouldn't she be angry. There was nothing during the marriage she did wrong save the events during AvX, which one could argue was due to her being a hero or being extremely fed up with his lack of appreciation of her love for him. When you look at it like that what did she do wrong only than love a man who's first love was his country?
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Storm was compromised by the nanites that Doom used on just about every member of the Royal family and the Wakandan Council. He had to take precautions because he couldn't tip his hand to Doom until he knew the full extent of his plan. He explained it to her as well.
I give Storm great consideration that she realized she was on the wrong team. She even said the reason she stayed with the P5 was to keep them in check so that they wouldn't be corrupted by that power. She even fought alongside of the Avengers in the end. And if the Avengers didn't split the PF, it would have went into Hope who would not have been prepared to deal with that much power. She admitted that herself.
[QUOTE]4 . He humiliated her by not only saying she wasn't needed to help in the aftermath of Namors destruction but doing it so unceremoniously in front of them. The thing is, those hundreds of thousands of deaths were not due to anything she did. in fact had the avengers not taken hope and allowed the Xmen to deal with it and her it would have very much so not happened ad namor would had never been possessed by the Phoenix. a[/QUOTE]
Again, Storm's humiliation was not at the top of the list of things to be concerned about at that time. T'Challa didn't blame her for their deaths. He rightfully blamed Namor.
And like I said, if the Avengers didn't split the PF, it would have went into Hope who was not ready to handle that power and would have destroyed Earth. She was not being properly trained to handle the power.
BP fans have called him out on his mistakes during AvX many times. I wish we still had the old forums so that you could read some of those posts. But Storm bears some of the responsibility as well for her own mistakes.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3119521]I think it was more of "we told you so moments" when we predicted how badly this was going to end. 2 spin-offs that were intended to be on-goings but failed miserably.
300k seems like 300 years ago.[/QUOTE]
Whoever that troll was i doubt he has ever brought it up since. It was damn foolish but he knows we know :)
Bast bless
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[QUOTE=BlackClaw;3119277]Bast bless indeed. Black Panther does not need Storm. Why is this so difficult for people to grasp?[/QUOTE]
Bro, nobody outside of Coates and some cbr people believe that. 300k sales with MCU hype, 25k sales and a canceled mini with storm hype :/
I don't blame storm tho, she betrayed Wakanda and alienated fans but it was inevitable though.
She's whatever at this point tho. Remember, Queen Nakia Nyong'o, Valentines Weekend Feb 2018
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[QUOTE=Of Atlantis;3118337]Interesting spoiler in tomorrow's Legacy involving Wakanda
[spoil]There has apparently been a Wakandan Intergalactic Empire for centuries.[/spoil][/QUOTE]
Got to see how they pull it off because everything we've seen from Hudlin to Hickman does not allude to that
Unless they are Wakandan separatist who were banished ala the Eternal/Space Eternals.
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I can't remember, lol. Who struck first in the fisticuffs between T'Challa and Storm?:confused:
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[QUOTE=C_haos;3119723]Got to see how they pull it off because everything we've seen from Hudlin to Hickman does not allude to that
Unless they are Wakandan separatist who were banished ala the Eternal/Space Eternals.[/QUOTE]
I'd be surprised if it were that big. I don't think there are THAT many Wakandans to begin with. Though perhaps other groups are involved.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3119774]I can't remember, lol. Who struck first in the fisticuffs between T'Challa and Storm?:confused:[/QUOTE]
I believe it was Storm.
4000 pages...wow.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3119689][QUOTE]
The Phoenix destroyed a planet on it's way to Earth and Hope was not ready for the Phoenix. There were mistakes on both sides.
Then maybe she should have put her husband first and talked with him before sneaking X-Men into Wakanda. She put her team first in that instance. T'Challa made the same mistake by not going after his wife when the Avengers were having their Phoenix discussion. I said that when it first happened. T'Challa made his mistakes during AvX no doubt and he's so much as admitted them. Even die-hard BP fans called him out on some things. Not every BP fan defends his actions.
Storm was compromised by the nanites that Doom used on just about every member of the Royal family and the Wakandan Council. He had to take precautions because he couldn't tip his hand to Doom until he knew the full extent of his plan. He explained it to her as well.
I give Storm great consideration that she realized she was on the wrong team. She even said the reason she stayed with the P5 was to keep them in check so that they wouldn't be corrupted by that power. She even fought alongside of the Avengers in the end. And if the Avengers didn't split the PF, it would have went into Hope who would not have been prepared to deal with that much power. She admitted that herself.
Again, Storm's humiliation was not at the top of the list of things to be concerned about at that time. T'Challa didn't blame her for their deaths. He rightfully blamed Namor.
And like I said, if the Avengers didn't split the PF, it would have went into Hope who was not ready to handle that power and would have destroyed Earth. She was not being properly trained to handle the power.
BP fans have called him out on his mistakes during AvX many times. I wish we still had the old forums so that you could read some of those posts. But Storm bears some of the responsibility as well for her own mistakes.[/QUOTE]
1. We don't know for sure what would have happened had hope been possessed so to say she wasn't ready was moot. we do know that due to the avengers not working with the xmen in resulted in the p5, one of which would go to destroy wakanda.
2. Ororo chose her husband all the time during their marriage and that was the one time she sided with the mutants. In fact, she did try to talk to him but that was after he surprised her when the avengers attacked the Xmen in an effort to take hope. She said they should end this but he wasn't hearing that .
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He didn't trust his wife to handle this situation even with knowing the Xmen have more experience with the Phoenix and never told him of their secret plan to attack the xmen. Storm did nothing wrong and when she became aware she tried to talk. He wasn't having it.
3. When doom asked him which would he choose Storm or vibranium he hesitated. He chose storm but that moment of hesitation was very telling: his first love wasn't storm but his country.
4. i agree with u. She wasn't on the right side after the p5. i mean you had emma, magik, colossus, cyclops, and namor. all characters with emotions that could allow for the Phoenix to easily become corrupted. However, the p5 was the result of the avengers. so her doing what she could do stop things after the fact is not her fault, but a noble acceptance of responsibility. With hope she didn't know what she could or couldn't handle as she never had it. She was very much better suited for the Phoenix than the others as her spirit was tethered to the Phoenix. This is why the Phoenix came to her in the first place.
5. True, but the way he treated storm in ending their marriage was a slap in the face to all the things she did when they were married. To the point about Hope, there is no way you can train to be a host of the phoenix. the avengers were not suited to help her in that regard and they made things much worse than it could have potentially been had hope embraced what she was.
6. i believe you. i just don't honestly feel that storm did anything during the marriage that was worthy of her apologizing. of the things im gathering bp fans feel she should apologize for the following:
-invading wakanda with xmen and not talking to tchalla
-attacking him during avx
-lying on him during avx
to those points I argue, she wouldn't have had to resort to such measures had tchalla been upfront about the avengers plans, and had they not kidnapped hope. and every character was written ooc in avx, but in context to the story storm was expressing anger at bp not appreciating her, having a protocol in place to imprison her, and the verbal abuse he exerted upon her whenever he didn't do things that he would request. i think, and unfortunately for bp fans, that when most look at their history they don't see it as her doing things worth apologizing for which is why Coates probably took the approach he did in writing their reconciliation.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3119774]I can't remember, lol. Who struck first in the fisticuffs between T'Challa and Storm?:confused:[/QUOTE]
he struck it first when he built a prison specifically made to house storm.
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Was that before or after she decided to continue being an X-Man over her commitment to bring a queen? I've said it before many times; knowing her, he should never have asked her to be his queen. She was always going to choose mutants and the earth over Wakanda. And she doubled down on the mistake by accepting. Story wise and editorial wise was neither wise.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3119850]Was that before or after she decided to continue being an X-Man over her commitment to bring a queen? I've said it before many times; knowing her, he should never have asked her to be his queen. She was always going to choose mutants and the earth over Wakanda. And she doubled down on the mistake by accepting. Story wise and editorial wise was neither wise.[/QUOTE]
Truthfully alost anyone would choose the earth over Wakanda. Even T'Challa in some instances arguably did that.
But yes, I do think that is the potential downside of choosing a non Wakandan as your queen. They won't necessarily put Wakanda first 100% of the time. Which I guess is a bit of a problem when you have a king that keeps falling in love and wanting to marry non Wakandans.
But story wise at least that's part of the fun. I think writers want that built in relationship fracture to play with.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3119850]Was that before or after she decided to continue being an X-Man over her commitment to bring a queen? I've said it before many times; knowing her, [B]he should never have asked her to be his queen[/B]. She was always going to choose mutants and the earth over Wakanda. And she doubled down on the mistake by accepting. Story wise and editorial wise was neither wise.[/QUOTE]
Queen Nakia, February 2018. <-- also Valentines weekend.
It goes against the narrative of BP only dating non-Wakandan women that dodgey trolls and Coates like to portray, but it'll be fun seeing Lupita and T'Chadwick on screen. Which is why they don't like Nakia as the love interest. It's kinda weird :confused:
As far as who hit first... is the honest truthful answer Storm? Like there's a panel in which she throws the first punch or lightning bolt? Not that i care, but if it is Storm and people can't admit that without gymnastics and matrix twists, then we might as well agree to disagree and get back to talking about how great Chadwick and Lupita will be in the movie :D
Bast Bless
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[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;3119400]Because of Coates, sales of the first BP issue was HUGE, BP got two more books WOW and BPaTC, and has made the supporting cast more significant.
Coates has consistently made BP more human, more relatable and more understanding.[/QUOTE]
Because of Pent up demand for a BP solo and Coates reputation as writer with an understanding of proper black representation, sales of the first BP issue were huge. And as Coates agenda was slowly revealed to be that of a non-fan who not only didn’t respect the title character, but couldn’t even wrap his mind around the concept of an Afro-futuristic Kingdom; sales rapidly declined. BP got two more books in WOW and BPaTC that were promptly cancelled due to low sales and being stealth books designed to further Coates agenda of emasculating the title character and diminishing his importance, therefore making the supporting characters more significant by default.
Coates has consistently made BP more pathetic, more inept, and more unworthy