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[QUOTE=dkrook;3716175]In the Mighty Avengers this same Tiger God had a battle on earth's physical plane and seemed plenty powerful to do what was needed. What keeps being overlooked is the fact the writer could have just let noted main have the spotlight. There's a serious problem when we are weighing power level feats of everyone but the hero.[/QUOTE]
Powerful yes. But at a scale necessary to defeat high end abstracts? Almost certainly not.
It's why the book goes out of its way to explain combat is a metaphor in that one particular story.
When you have a story with characters operating at that power level, you need to do a lot of weird stuff like that to have the heroes actually win..
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3716196]he was never trapped in a steel box. he wasnr "defeated" until dr nemesis trapped him in his consciousness[/QUOTE]
Again. in black and white:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/jqHuVZs.png?1[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/jqHuVZs.png?1[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/jqHuVZs.png?1[/img]
It says what it says. Not "he was weakened". Not "he was stuck here while he was in mortal form". He was "buried alive" in a "steel coffin".
I'm sure you'll have some excuse as to why Forge doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm bored of this.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3716204]Again. in black and white:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/jqHuVZs.png?1[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/jqHuVZs.png?1[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/jqHuVZs.png?1[/img]
It says what it says. Not "he was weakened". Not "he was stuck here while he was in mortal form". He was "buried alive" in a "steel coffin".
I'm sure you'll have some excuse as to why Forge doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm bored of this.[/QUOTE]
and why didnt story end there? because it wouldn't contain him. his natural form would be able to get out of a steel box. he was in mortal form by way of taking over forges body.
which as I explained by the way he never reverted to his normal formal in that issue
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3716196]he was never trapped in a steel box. he wasn't "defeated" until dr nemesis trapped him in his consciousness. and the forge explains the only way he can be contained roma comes back after this and says he can never truly be defeated forever because life needs him:
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/XX_egQ6nNDeVCsMO80TgoqcnkozDrJPvfhRqh-ZRTLgnaMvcezcSer-U1HJn1sw4qOjHPZ441-89=s1600[/img][/QUOTE]
[B]Did storm defeat him in this series or simply push him back into the portal? That's right she pushed him back. So, trap him in a box throw box in portal, close portal. Done, nowhere did I state he would be trapped forever, but the threat would of been neutralized without ripping apart Wakandas patheon and Making Wakanda and Tchalla bend the knee to Storm[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3716228][B]Did storm defeat him in this series or simply push him back into the portal? That's right she pushed him back. So, trap him in a box throw box in portal, close portal. Done, nowhere did I state he would be trapped forever, but the threat would of been neutralized without ripping apart Wakandas patheon and Making Wakanda and Tchalla bend the knee to Storm[/B][/QUOTE]
storms power nearly destroyed him with divine energy as by the last panel there is nothing much left of his demon form before the portal closed. if she did in fact destroy him he would simply be reborn as roma explained in that earlier scan I posted.
and again a metal box wont contain his demonic form. the scan that beware provided is that of adversary in forged body. yes the metal can weaken him.. it cannot contain him. if that were the case that cable story would have been done by doing so.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3716207]and why didnt story end there? because it wouldn't contain him. his natural form would be able to get out of a steel box. he was in mortal form by way of taking over forges body.
which as I explained by the way he never reverted to[/QUOTE]
Because they wanted to save Forge, which was, of course THE PLOT OF THE ISSUE.
(And, I assume, their brand new base. :) )
All of this BS about "his natural form" is supposition on your part. THIS:
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/jqHuVZs.png?1[/IMG]
is [B]actual on-panel dialogue[/B].
If you want to arbitrarily ignore published stories to justify your position, then we are at an impasse. Further discussion is now pointless.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3716235]Because they wanted to save Forge, which was, of course THE PLOT OF THE ISSUE.
(And, I assume, their brand new base.
All of this BS about "his natural form" is supposition on your part. THIS:
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/jqHuVZs.png?1[/IMG]
is [B]actual on-panel dialogue[/B].
If you want to arbitrarily ignore published stories to justify your position, then we are at an impasse. Further discussion is now pointless.[/QUOTE]
it's not supposition. you are ignoring adversary abilities and what canon has said can defeat him. metal weakens him, technology (which include metal) is not the key as Roma explains yet again:
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/38A8LW69DIsyt2TIOaJoTZ20KaUaUSwfrNYZMZXMzwtKiUdFr_9QQFAtlE9PEROcfQ4DzJgEXpoe=s1600[/img]
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/UbfhdZ3NYs2t5xjqjtOctzjru3ukT28BVmwgRFxQZPkvmoDSVE2PNFyegHmglOSDlytxnEzInD7t=s1600[/img]
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I skimmed the issue BoG is using. Yeah, the box would work. The Advesary was trapped in the base because it was made of steel. And the base was large. Lol. I was thinking trapped in the basement. Lol
And it wasn't a matter of time. He needed Boom Boom to destroy the walls so he could get out. But his powers work within the building, he just can't use them to get out.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3716267]I skimmed the issue BoG is using. Yeah, the box would work. The Advesary was trapped in the base because it was made of steel. And the base was large. Lol. I was thinking trapped in the basement. Lol
And it wasn't a matter of time. He needed Boom Boom to destroy the walls so he could get out. But his powers work within the building, he just can't use them to get out.[/QUOTE]
a multiversal being, roma couldn't kill him and you think a metal box can contain him?:
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/wAMOlMk5C9GuYEo3zamT5YXi0DHpo-voE4_qthksT9JA1FypzIb6AIzI1C2fGKTHcgiq4o1c8Pb0=s1600[/img]
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/OaOIwosd0PZy3NlWgSrKHQE-_EjJ_Nm1LvFJYmw0c5n8JJ9iyCYZfNnrf0yRJzh2N4RUJXbAWaLT=s1600[/img]
I now understand why you guys hate coates so much. you want him to write tchalla as a multiversal/universal threat and instead he actually write him in a way that is canonically sound lol.
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I dont think I said kill him. Build a steel/vibranium box to contain him. That doesn't require universal threat potential or the power of prayer. That only requires a welder. Lol
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[QUOTE=Cville;3716277]I dont think I said kill him. Build a steel/vibranium box to contain him. That doesn't require universal threat potential or the power of prayer. That only requires a welder. Lol[/QUOTE]
if that is all that is needed to contain him wouldn't a multiversal being like Roma have informed forge, naze and the xmen of this years ago?
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[QUOTE=Cville;3716277]I dont think I said kill him. Build a steel/vibranium box to contain him. That doesn't require universal threat potential or the power of prayer. That only requires a welder. Lol[/QUOTE]
I think putting him in any form of Box is going to be hard because Adversary CAN posses people as well as Teleport. For someone who manipulates reality containing him would not be the easiest thing to do. It’s smart, but good luck trying.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3716285]if that is all that is needed to contain him wouldn't a multiversal being like Roma have informed forge, naze and the xmen of this years ago?[/QUOTE]
Take that up with the person who wrote that issue of X-force and Cable.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3716272]a multiversal being, roma couldn't kill him and you think a metal box can contain him?:
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/wAMOlMk5C9GuYEo3zamT5YXi0DHpo-voE4_qthksT9JA1FypzIb6AIzI1C2fGKTHcgiq4o1c8Pb0=s1600[/img]
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/OaOIwosd0PZy3NlWgSrKHQE-_EjJ_Nm1LvFJYmw0c5n8JJ9iyCYZfNnrf0yRJzh2N4RUJXbAWaLT=s1600[/img]
I now understand why you guys hate coates so much. you want him to write tchalla as a multiversal/universal threat and instead he actually write him in a way that is canonically sound lol.[/QUOTE]
[B]You clearly don't and apparently have a hard time grasping how the metal box worked and that it CONTAINED adversary. Long enough to easily throw said container back into a portal and again he wasn't able to get out without outside interference abd was contained for sometime.. but keep posting scans that have nothing to do with what's Actually Being said though that work too[/B]
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;3716288]I think putting him in any form of Box is going to be hard because Adversary CAN posses people as well as Teleport. For someone who manipulates reality containing him would not be the easiest thing to do. It’s smart, but good luck trying.[/QUOTE]
The Ultimates put Galactus in a box, I have confidence. Lol