[B] Again trained since birth to face the unknown. Hardly an excuse and being single handily defeated by Faustus IS chumping Wakanda[/B]
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[B] Again trained since birth to face the unknown. Hardly an excuse and being single handily defeated by Faustus IS chumping Wakanda[/B]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3111558][B] Again trained since birth to face the unknown. Hardly an excuse and being single handily defeated by Faustus IS chumping Wakanda[/B][/QUOTE]
Being trained from birth to fave the unknown doesn't mean he knows everything. As good as T'Challa is, sometimes he'll lose . No one is perfect. More to the point sometimes badges do win a round or two. Stories NEED that to happen from time to time. A lot if people lost to Hydra in this event. I think it's to Wakanda's credit that it did better than most.
[QUOTE=XPac;3111464][QUčOTE=Ezyo1000;3111455][B]Right, Tchalla who had been trained since birth to face the unknown, is fooled and catch off guard by mind control. Something the World of superheros has an abundance of... No way to prepare for that.[/B][/QUOTE]
Since this apparently was a new method of mind control yeah ... there might not have been a way to prepare for that. It's tough to prepare for something when you don't necessarily know what it is or how it works.
Whether or not the same trick would work a second time is a different matter.[/QUOTE]
A few lines of dialogue does not a new trick make.
[QUOTE=XPac;3111566]Being trained from birth to fave the unknown doesn't mean he knows everything. As good as T'Challa is, sometimes he'll lose . No one is perfect. More to the point sometimes badges do win a round or two. Stories NEED that to happen from time to time. A lot if people lost to Hydra in this event. I think it's to Wakanda's credit that it did better than most.[/QUOTE]
[B]Yes it doesn't mean he knows everything, but given the abundance of telepaths in the mu and they just faced a threat that manipulated emotions, you would think you would have defense's in place for telepaths, ESPECIALLY something you have faced before. Again you keep trying to say to their credit they beat Hydra off panel but that PALES in comparison to THE ENTIRE WAKANDAN ARMY being singlehandedly defeated by Faustus.. a Z list nobody.[/B]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3111681][B]Yes it doesn't mean he knows everything, but given the abundance of telepaths in the mu and they just faced a threat that manipulated emotions, you would think you would have defense's in place for telepaths, ESPECIALLY something you have faced before. Again you keep trying to say to their credit they beat Hydra off panel but that PALES in comparison to THE ENTIRE WAKANDAN ARMY being singlehandedly defeated by Faustus.. a Z list nobody.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, he does have defenses for telepaths... we know that for a fact. The problem being Faustus isn't a telepath, so telepathic defenses wouldn't matter anyways.
Point being, no one can literally be prepared for anything and everything. Everyone loses sooner or later .... that's just how it is. In this particular event Hydra was getting the better of everyone on the planet for a good portion of it. A Cap led Hydra is just that dangerous.
[QUOTE=XPac;3111694]Yes, he does have defenses for telepaths... we know that for a fact. The problem being Faustus isn't a telepath, so telepathic defenses wouldn't matter anyways.
Point being, no one can literally be prepared for anything and everything. Everyone loses sooner or later .... that's just how it is. In this particular event Hydra was getting the better of everyone on the planet for a good portion of it. A Cap led Hydra is just that dangerous.[/QUOTE]
Everyone loses yes, but there's graceful or creative, and then there's half assing it.
Reusing the same trick, with some dialogue added, is half assing it. Especially given that Faustis had access to Shield and could circumvent their defenses but didn't have that same access with Wakanda.
[QUOTE=XPac;3111694]Yes, he does have defenses for telepaths... we know that for a fact. The problem being Faustus isn't a telepath, so telepathic defenses wouldn't matter anyways.
Point being, no one can literally be prepared for anything and everything. Everyone loses sooner or later .... that's just how it is. In this particular event Hydra was getting the better of everyone on the planet for a good portion of it. A Cap led Hydra is just that dangerous.[/QUOTE]
[B] Manipulation, either way his power is a long game style, not instant and able to affected 10s of thousands..
weak argument and after dealing with Zenzi who I guess tech technically isn't a telepath, he would develop other types of defenses of manipulation. Again hardly an excuse [/B]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3111788][B] Manipulation, either way his power is a long game style, not instant and able to affected 10s of thousands..
weak argument and after dealing with Zenzi who I guess tech technically isn't a telepath, he would develop other types of defenses of manipulation. Again hardly an excuse [/B][/QUOTE]
Yup, there's no doubt that Faustus upgraded for this event. Spencer made him more powerful, which in part is probably why he took T'Challa a bit more off guard.
And he may or may not have a means of dealing with Zenzi as well (though at least based on what we're seeing in the solo book his primary method of dealing with her was a speech from Changmire), again that's no gurantee that what will work against Zenzei will work against Faustus or vice versa. Her means appears to be some sort of inate power, while his has always been more tech based. Point being there's more than one means of mind control, and being prepared for one doesn't necessarily gurantee you're prepared for every type espeically if Faustus states his method used in Wakanda is brand new.
Or if you want to look at it purely in meta terms, it's all comic book fiction so something will work if a writer says it will, and something won't if they say it won't.
[QUOTE=XPac;3111694]Yes, he does have defenses for telepaths... we know that for a fact. The problem being Faustus isn't a telepath, so telepathic defenses wouldn't matter anyways.
Point being, no one can literally be prepared for anything and everything. Everyone loses sooner or later .... that's just how it is. In this particular event Hydra was getting the better of everyone on the planet for a good portion of it. A Cap led Hydra is just that dangerous.[/QUOTE]
Faustus isn't a telepath, but his methods of mind control are not so far removed from telepathy that those trained to resist telepathy can resist his mind control. Sunspot is proof of that.
More than that, superhumans have been widespread for decades now. Are we supposed to believe that Wakanda's defenses against mind control are so weak that anyone can stroll in and take over?
[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3111974]Faustus isn't a telepath, but his methods of mind control are not so far removed from telepathy that those trained to resist telepathy can resist his mind control. Sunspot is proof of that.
More than that, superhumans have been widespread for decades now. [B]Are we supposed to believe that Wakanda's defenses against mind control are so weak that anyone can stroll in and take over?[/B][/QUOTE]
Yep, that's what they want us to believe.
It was just one or two issues back where Coates had T'Challa developed tech against telepathic attacks.
But mind control is soooooo different than telepathy.
Ya know, in all fairness, I'd point out that Secret Empire was crap across the board. Everyone was an idiot, including Hydra Cap.
[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3111974]Faustus isn't a telepath, but his methods of mind control are not so far removed from telepathy that those trained to resist telepathy can resist his mind control. Sunspot is proof of that.
More than that, superhumans have been widespread for decades now. Are we supposed to believe that Wakanda's defenses against mind control are so weak that anyone can stroll in and take over?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I can buy a person being able to resist him if they have the right training. I didn't expect him to be able to control T'Challa for example. And obviously he couldn't. But the red shirts that made up the Wakandan army are a different matter.
And clearly not anyone can just stroll in and take over... Hydra proved that after failing twice to achieve their goals. But Faustus control was seemingly enough to allow him to get in. WHen you control half the Wakandan army, it makes invasion a bit easier.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3111980]Yep, that's what they want us to believe.
It was just one or two issues back where Coates had T'Challa developed tech against telepathic attacks.
But mind control is soooooo different than telepathy.[/QUOTE]
Depending on the form of mind control, yes it's different. Mind control comes in many shapes and sizes... drugs, pheremones, hypnosis, telepathy, etc. You can be resistant to one form but not another. T'Challa demonstrated that in his encouter with Zenzi at the start of Coates run. He was ready for a telepath, but Zenzi's powers worked differently.
Faustus isn't a telepath at all, so tech that blocks telepathy won't work against him. It's apples and oranges.
[QUOTE=XPac;3112147]Depending on the form of mind control, yes it's different. Mind control comes in many shapes and sizes... drugs, pheremones, hypnosis, telepathy, etc. You can be resistant to one form but not another. T'Challa demonstrated that in his encouter with Zenzi at the start of Coates run. He was ready for a telepath, but Zenzi's powers worked differently.
Faustus isn't a telepath at all, so tech that blocks telepathy won't work against him. It's apples and oranges.[/QUOTE]
[B]His power works from his voice.. you don't think they would have some Tech to counter that? Aka earplugs. Sorry it was bullshit that he took over so easily and in such a way that chumped Wakanda and Tchalla[/B]
[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3112022]Ya know, in all fairness, I'd point out that Secret Empire was crap across the board. Everyone was an idiot, including Hydra Cap.[/QUOTE]
And I can point out that it wasn't and even the teen heroes proved more capable than T'Challa under Coates