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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3820958]They are making me do this... :cool:
Burbank, California.
TNC storms (yes storms) down the hall past Pixar, ESPN, ABC, Marvel Studios and a couple of cosplaying dudes dressed as Pluto and Goofy until he reaches his destination.
The X-office.
Hearing a loud knock at the door the X-office employees scramble around a bit.
X-office: "OMG it's him everybody be quiet and act normal."
The door is answered...
X-office: "TNC, what brings you here?"
TNC: "Uhm... I don't know if you guys know this or not but I'm trying to work on the relationship between Black Panther and Storm."
X-office: "Oh yeah we heard about that how can we help?"
TNC: "Well... You could help by not featuring Storm with Wolverine so much... I mean look at this cover."
X-office: "Aw my bad I don't know how that slipped through editorial but it won't happen again I promise."
TNC: "Ok thanks I appreciate it."
Crossing his arms...
X-office: "WAKANDA FOREVER!"
As TNC turns to walk back up the hallway he can hear faint giggles behind the now closing door.
X-office: "Anyways... Let's get back on topic. I say we have Storm also run through the other X-men like Gambit, Scott, Kurt and let's bring Yukio back in the mix with some steamy scenes. Also let's explore a sexy magnetic relationship between Storm and Magneto in sort of a father figure gone bad role. We also have Sebastian Shaw on deck... Juggernaut... Toad... Sabretooth... Let's get to work people!"
X-editorial: "I thought you told TNC that won't happen again."
Various X-office personnel burst into laughter some sprawling out gut busting on the floor.
X-office: "Let's break for lunch... I can't with you man keep up!"
Strolling up the hallway confidently with a gleeful smile...
TNC: "It's so great working here knowing that everybody is on the same page and so cooperative!"
(sigh and whatnot) ;)[/QUOTE]
I see no untruths in the above satirical piece of excellence.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3821461]Bro, I hear what you're saying but here's the thing.
Okoye had much more solid fight choreography on display than T'Challa in the Black Panther movie whereas the BP on display in CA:CW was pure fire and completely in control of every fight sequence he was depicted in that movie both in and out of ceremonial garb.
Though wracked with grief and a desire for revenge against whoever was responsible for his Father's murder, T'Challa showed a steely determination and pragmatic approach to tracking down his prey and in the end, preventing said prey from taking the cowards way out.
I saw the BP movie twice on the big screen and will pick up the blu-ray no doubt, but I know that I felt underwhelmed by most the post M'Baku fight scenes featuring T'Challa most especially the CGI laden final battle with Killmonger.
Doesn't make me a "hater" or detractor.[/QUOTE]
Just sayin', but the Panther in Civil War was unleashed because he had no responsibilities or obligations beyond vengeance at the time. And in the end, he only found the correct man by some last minute luck.
The T'Challa in his own movie has had time to grieve, is wearing more responsibility and is far more thoughtful in regards to his actions. He couldn't play the rebel, because he was the system
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[QUOTE=LastManStanding;3821068]On to other things: T'Challa vs the Tiger God
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do we know exactly how tchalla beat tiger god? was this ever explained?
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3821601]Just sayin', but the Panther in Civil War was unleashed because he had no responsibilities or obligations beyond vengeance at the time. And in the end, he only found the correct man by some last minute luck.
The T'Challa in his own movie has had time to grieve, is wearing more responsibility and is far more thoughtful in regards to his actions. He couldn't play the rebel, because he was the system[/QUOTE]
I hear my friend but I'm speaking on the combat sequences. T'challa being all diplomatic shouldn't have had any impact on the fight choreography.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3821630]do we know exactly how tchalla beat tiger god? was this ever explained?[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, it was never explained.
But that's what happens when the writer of the characters solo book can't be bothered to build up said character thus leaving it to the likes of the vastly superior Al Ewing to fill in the gaps.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3821702]Unfortunately, it was never explained.
But that's what happens when the writer of the characters solo book can't be bothered to build up said character thus leaving it to the likes of the vastly superior Al Ewing to fill in the gaps.[/QUOTE]
that would have been really cool to see. I must say it's a very impressive feat (considering it's a god that was defeated). I don't recall reading any stories about the tiger god but based upon what you or others may know how do you think tchalla would have defeated the him?
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3821461]Bro, I hear what you're saying but here's the thing.
Okoye had much more solid fight choreography on display than T'Challa in the Black Panther movie whereas the BP on display in CA:CW was pure fire and completely in control of every fight sequence he was depicted in that movie both in and out of ceremonial garb.
Though wracked with grief and a desire for revenge against whoever was responsible for his Father's murder, T'Challa showed a steely determination and pragmatic approach to tracking down his prey and in the end, preventing said prey from taking the cowards way out.
I saw the BP movie twice on the big screen and will pick up the blu-ray no doubt, but I know that I felt underwhelmed by most the post M'Baku fight scenes featuring T'Challa most especially the CGI laden final battle with Killmonger.
Doesn't make me a "hater" or detractor.[/QUOTE]
[B]amAt the sane time, Okoye only fought goons save the 5 on 1 vs Erik. And by all means I believe she is the greatest non powered Wakandan ( or tied with M'Baku) I still found T'Challa to be the better, more nuanced fighter. His use of weaving between h2h, and weapons and acrobatics was more exciting to me.
Of course I know your not a hater or detractor as that message wasn't directed at you. I've been around long enough to know that you are the furthest from that:cool:[/B]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3821714]that would have been really cool to see. I must say it's a very impressive feat (considering it's a god that was defeated). I don't recall reading any stories about the tiger god but based upon what you or others may know how do you think tchalla would have defeated the him?[/QUOTE]
I can only surmise that T'challa was able to best the ancient Tiger diety with whatever mental, physical and spiritual enhancements he was endowed with by Bast as her chosen Champion.
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I think it was BoG who pointed out a lot of subtlety to that scene in regards to the torch and fear.
T'challa likely beat him by being 100% respectfully unafraid of him
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3821714]that would have been really cool to see. I must say it's a very impressive feat (considering it's a god that was defeated). I don't recall reading any stories about the tiger god but based upon what you or others may know how do you think tchalla would have defeated the him?[/QUOTE]
This is all my own head canon here, so take it with a massive grain of salt...
But I sort of interpreted it almost less as a real fight and more almost as a test of his worthiness. Almost similar to what we saw with Doom and Bast back in Doom War. I think if T'Challa showed no fear whatsoever, Tiger God had no power over him since he was the first thing men feared. Similar to the Tiger God/T'Challa fight against Legos later on, I think combat was almost more a metaphor rather than real combat. And I think that's why it wasn't really shown no panel or anything. I think it was more of a spiritual thing rather than a real fight.
Or at least that's what I think happened. Then again, maybe he just chucked his spirit spear at him and called it a day. That might work too.
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T'Challa had some iconic moments in CW...that overshadowed how silly he looked in that movie at times.
They gave him the the scratching of the shield and the I don't care moments, but overall I was disappointed with his effort in the airport battle.
Not to mention how silly it was when he was taken down by Black Widow.
Again, I give credit to the Russos, they know how to give characters their moment that stands out so you can overlook whatever flaws.
I also think as great as Chadwicke is he's not the greatest at selling a fight (out of costume). Not that he's bad, but he's better if you're using quick cuts instead of old school drawn out/clear fighting.
Russos used a lot of quick cuts/clear stunt double to help really sell this fight.
[video=youtube;1br5pPlHJ5Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1br5pPlHJ5Y[/video]
You compare that to the Casino scene. Boseman does a decent job, but the traditional in camera fight style doesn't benefit him as much.
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Re-watched Creed the other day and man we could have used the showmanship/tension build up in Black Panther.
Those two ring entrances were breathtaking. Its proof that the longer Coogler waits to cut the better. We got it early with M'Baku in BP though. However, I totally expected more detailed and beautifully built up fighting environment like Creed at the end of BP.
BP in comparison seemed a bit rushed at the end. Gotta believe they cut some footage to save on time. There were rumors on other boards (I think NeoGaf?) that one of the issues was that the fights were too long in the editing room. Better to cut down on the fights than the character moments so I understand.
However, when you think of the 3rd act with M'Baku's arrival, W'Kabi kneel, Killmonger's final words, etc all those moments pay off even more if the final battles were of a higher quality. Its why the beats in Creed were so great at the end.
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;3822294]T'Challa had some iconic moments in CW...that overshadowed how silly he looked in that movie at times.
They gave him the the scratching of the shield and the I don't care moments, but overall I was disappointed with his effort in the airport battle.
Not to mention how silly it was when he was taken down by Black Widow.
Again, I give credit to the Russos, they know how to give characters their moment that stands out so you can overlook whatever flaws.
I also think as great as Chadwicke is he's not the greatest at selling a fight (out of costume). Not that he's bad, but he's better if you're using quick cuts instead of old school drawn out/clear fighting.
Russos used a lot of quick cuts/clear stunt double to help really sell this fight.
[video=youtube;1br5pPlHJ5Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1br5pPlHJ5Y[/video]
You compare that to the Casino scene. Boseman does a decent job, but the traditional in camera fight style doesn't benefit him as much.[/QUOTE]
In all fairness, he wasn't taken down by Black Widow. She just slowed him down enough to buy Steve time to escape.
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;3822294]T'Challa had some iconic moments in CW...that overshadowed how silly he looked in that movie at times.
They gave him the the scratching of the shield and the I don't care moments, but overall I was disappointed with his effort in the airport battle.
Not to mention how silly it was when he was taken down by Black Widow.
Again, I give credit to the Russos, they know how to give characters their moment that stands out so you can overlook whatever flaws.
I also think as great as Chadwicke is he's not the greatest at selling a fight (out of costume). Not that he's bad, but he's better if you're using quick cuts instead of old school drawn out/clear fighting.
Russos used a lot of quick cuts/clear stunt double to help really sell this fight.
[video=youtube;1br5pPlHJ5Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1br5pPlHJ5Y[/video]
You compare that to the Casino scene. Boseman does a decent job, but the traditional in camera fight style doesn't benefit him as much.[/QUOTE]
[B]He scratched Caps shield and knocked him on his ass, he completely dominated Bucky and the only reason Bucky didn't die was because Scarlet witch literally saved him at the last second andflung Tchalla through a terminal, abd widow merely slowed him down and he still almost got ahold of the plane.
I think Boseman does a fine job. But I'm most impressed with his weapons skill [/B]
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3821997]I can only surmise that T'challa was able to best the ancient Tiger diety with whatever mental, physical and spiritual enhancements he was endowed with by Bast as her chosen Champion.[/QUOTE]
yea it would have to been as such. its undoubtedly a great fit and shows that his adversaries ahouldnt sleep on him or underestimate his abilities.
[QUOTE=XPac;3822193]This is all my own head canon here, so take it with a massive grain of salt...
But I sort of interpreted it almost less as a real fight and more almost as a test of his worthiness. Almost similar to what we saw with Doom and Bast back in Doom War. I think if T'Challa showed no fear whatsoever, Tiger God had no power over him since he was the first thing men feared. Similar to the Tiger God/T'Challa fight against Legos later on, I think combat was almost more a metaphor rather than real combat. And I think that's why it wasn't really shown no panel or anything. I think it was more of a spiritual thing rather than a real fight.
Or at least that's what I think happened. Then again, maybe he just chucked his spirit spear at him and called it a day. That might work too.[/QUOTE]
ok I actually love all of this. what you mentioned kinda reminded me of ororo getting favor from bast. it was a test of worthiness versus an epic battle. I can see both what you mentioned and maj's example. Either way if it was a test of worthiness or an actual fight the feat is very impressive.
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I think if you watch every fight scene in every marvel movie enough you can start to pick it apart piece by piece. Whether it is CGI, editing, quick cuts, obviously stunt doubles (coughscarletcough), ect.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3822716]I think if you watch every fight scene in every marvel movie enough you can start to pick it apart piece by piece. Whether it is CGI, editing, quick cuts, obviously stunt doubles (coughscarletcough), ect.[/QUOTE]
As long as it doesn't look like this:
[video=youtube;QFgGdkC6hJc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFgGdkC6hJc[/video]
I can be pretty forgiving.
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[img]https://i.redd.it/1p310fmm3cd11.jpg[/img]
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[I]What issues exactly did T'Challa fight the Tiger God in? I would be interested to see that.
And, by the way, why is the forum moving slow as mud? Is it me, or is it the forum?[/I]
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I gets someone got the memo folks want some more Black Panther stuff.
Unmasked Killmonger & Ross pack is actually in stock at Target! Not 1-2 set but at least 6. And interesting enough the Winter Soldier & Falcon two pack is not.
Oh and for Butterflykyss- Storm in her Mohawk MIGHT be in stores as the set with her is also at Target now.
So yes you can have Nakia versus Storm in toy form now.
[URL="https://toywiz.com/x-men-marvel-legends-apocalypse-series-storm-action-figure/"]https://toywiz.com/x-men-marvel-legends-apocalypse-series-storm-action-figure/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;3823154]I gets someone got the memo folks want some more Black Panther stuff.
Unmasked Killmonger & Ross pack is actually in stock at Target! Not 1-2 set but at least 6. And interesting enough the Winter Soldier & Falcon two pack is not.
Oh and for Butterflykyss- Storm in her Mohawk MIGHT be in stores as the set with her is also at Target now.
So yes you can have Nakia versus Storm in toy form now.
[URL="https://toywiz.com/x-men-marvel-legends-apocalypse-series-storm-action-figure/"]https://toywiz.com/x-men-marvel-legends-apocalypse-series-storm-action-figure/[/URL][/QUOTE]
thanks beloved for the heads up I will be on the lookout for them both
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[video=youtube;zfC89iqM3Fs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfC89iqM3Fs[/video]
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3823024][I]What issues exactly did T'Challa fight the Tiger God in? I would be interested to see that.
And, by the way, why is the forum moving slow as mud? Is it me, or is it the forum?[/I][/QUOTE]
[B]U have been having the same issues as well[/B]
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3823024][I]What issues exactly did T'Challa fight the Tiger God in? I would be interested to see that.
And, by the way, why is the forum moving slow as mud? Is it me, or is it the forum?[/I][/QUOTE]
That was in Ultimates2 #9 written by Al Ewing
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3821698]I hear my friend but I'm speaking on the combat sequences. T'challa being all diplomatic shouldn't have had any impact on the fight choreography.[/QUOTE]
It was average. Unbecoming of what is to be expected of a fighter of the tchallas caliber. And if you're going to take away his intelligence which is his main superpower and you damn well better make sure that your fight choreography is on point. There's no worst defense for anything then the quote haters going to hate. It's the calling card of mediocrity. Just makes you sound like Riley from The Boondocks
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3822716]I think if you watch every fight scene in every marvel movie enough you can start to pick it apart piece by piece. Whether it is CGI, editing, quick cuts, obviously stunt doubles (coughscarletcough), ect.[/QUOTE]
I would believe that if I didn't see Captain America 2.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3823527]I would believe that if I didn't see Captain America 2.[/QUOTE]
Captain America:Winter Soldier was the truth.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;3823392][video=youtube;zfC89iqM3Fs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfC89iqM3Fs[/video][/QUOTE]
He seems cool and all but i was bothered the fact he took the worst examples of just about all those characters fight scenes to make an assessment.
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3823024][I]What issues exactly did T'Challa fight the Tiger God in? I would be interested to see that.
And, by the way, why is the forum moving slow as mud? Is it me, or is it the forum?[/I][/QUOTE]
It is the forum.
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[QUOTE=dkrook;3823573]He seems cool and all but i was bothered the fact he took the worst examples of just about all those characters fight scenes to make an assessment.[/QUOTE]
This is a BuzzFeed video he's only analyzing the scenes they provided for him. To his credit on Black Panther he actually recalls the fight with M'Baku despite them only showing him the first Killmonger fight. It's a very quick breakdown based on those singular fight scenes. I think Black Widow got a bad assessment because they picked a bad scene, but I also think Whedon's fight scenes are super dated anyway. Her fight scenes in Ironman 2 and Winter Soldier fit the character better.
some others I stumbled across:
Professional Boxers Review Boxing Movies
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oFhrmr8zhU[/url]
MMA Coach Reviews Fight Scenes In Movies
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWh6qof_dc0[/url]
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3823523]It was average. Unbecoming of what is to be expected of a fighter of the Chalice caliber. [B]And if you're going to take away his intelligence [/B]which is his main superpower and you damn well better make sure that your fight choreography is on point. There's no worst defense for anything and then quote haters going to hate. It's the calling card of mediocrity. Just makes you sound like Riley from The Boondocks[/QUOTE]
Although the movie and Chadwick Boseman ([url]https://screenrant.com/black-panther-scientist-king-chadwick-boseman/[/url]) corroborated that MCU T'Challa still has a bright mind, I would have preferred they stuck with canon instead of embellishing the spare child. However, I am not losing sleep on the matter.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;3823392][video=youtube;zfC89iqM3Fs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfC89iqM3Fs[/video][/QUOTE]
Of course Captain America would be number 1 lol.
He's had some of the the best fight sequences in the MCU and that's partly due to the love and thoughtfulness the Russo Brothers have for Cap.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;3823594]This is a BuzzFeed video he's only analyzing the scenes they provided for him. To his credit on Black Panther he actually recalls the fight with M'Baku despite them only showing him the first Killmonger fight. It's a very quick breakdown based on those singular fight scenes. I think Black Widow got a bad assessment because they picked a bad scene, but I also think Whedon's fight scenes are super dated anyway. Her fight scenes in Ironman 2 and Winter Soldier fit the character better.
some others I stumbled across:
Professional Boxers Review Boxing Movies
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oFhrmr8zhU[/url]
MMA Coach Reviews Fight Scenes In Movies
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWh6qof_dc0[/url][/QUOTE]
Her fight scene in the Lagos market in Civil War was pretty cool although it kind of suffered a bit from a lot of quick cuts.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;3823772]Of course Captain America would be number 1 lol.
He's had some of the the best fight sequences in the MCU and that's partly due to the love and thoughtfulness the Russo Brothers have for Cap.[/QUOTE]
Steve is not number 1, It's Black panther. It's the fight choreographers on WS that makes them great not the Russo Brothers.
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[QUOTE=blacksonic;3823855]Steve is not number 1, It's Black panther. It's the fight choreographers on WS that makes them great not the Russo Brothers.[/QUOTE]
Maybe in the comics but definitely not in the movies at least as of yet.
The directors Hire/tell the choreographers of how they want the fight scene to be so technically the directors are kind of responsible for the fight scenes.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3823527]I would believe that if I didn't see Captain America 2.[/QUOTE]
I mean, I love that movie. It's 1 or 2 depending on the day for my favorite comic movie ever.
But there are arguments to be made that the Russos can make you vomit from their quick cut style in that movie. Or the fact the camera jumps constantly to hide stunt doubles (oh scarlet).
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So, in conclusion, according to CBR Black Panther fans
- third act cgi was terrible
- wakanda waterfall cgi was terrible
- not enough wakanda
- fight scenes were terrible
- chadwick has no screen presence
- chadwick can't do fight choreography
- not enough black panther screen time
- T'chaka is fat
- T'challa is a milquetoast bitch who has no memorable lines, no memorable scenes, talks too much, doesn't plan ahead,
- budget wasn't high enough
- movie wasn't long enough
- Russos > Coogler
- Killmonger was right but also too short and maybe can't act bc hes friends with coogler
- killmonger didn't get enough screen time
- movie should be called Okoye, Shuri and Friends
- rhinos sucked
- third act sucked
- first action scene sucked
- new suit sucks
- not comic accurate
I probably missed 20 other things.
Maybe the incels are right after all. Y'all actually agree more than you think. Black Panther = most overrated movie ever because of SJW shit. or somethin
At least everyone loves M'baku i guess.
[QUOTE=Rise Above;3823519]That was in Ultimates2 #9 written by Al Ewing[/QUOTE]
Correct, and it should be noted the conclusion of the Tiger God stuff jumps to #100 thanks to Marvel numbering shenanigans.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3823911]So, in conclusion, according to CBR Black Panther fans
- third act cgi was terrible
- wakanda waterfall cgi was terrible
- not enough wakanda
- fight scenes were terrible
- chadwick has no screen presence
- chadwick can't do fight choreography
- not enough black panther screen time
- T'chaka is fat
- T'challa is a milquetoast bitch who has no memorable lines, no memorable scenes, talks too much, doesn't plan ahead,
- budget wasn't high enough
- movie wasn't long enough
- Russos > Coogler
- Killmonger was right but also too short and maybe can't act bc hes friends with coogler
- killmonger didn't get enough screen time
- movie should be called Okoye, Shuri and Friends
- rhinos sucked
- third act sucked
- first action scene sucked
- new suit sucks
- not comic accurate
I probably missed 20 other things.
Maybe the incels are right after all. Y'all actually agree more than you think. Black Panther = most overrated movie ever because of SJW shit. or somethin
At least everyone loves M'baku i guess.
Correct, and it should be noted the conclusion of the Tiger God stuff jumps to #100 thanks to Marvel numbering shenanigans.[/QUOTE]
[B] Man I don't think you were trying to be funny, but I really cracked up pretty good when I read this.
You would think this movie did terrible given some of the comments here. I mean I thought the movie was straight fire and did what no other marvel movie dared.. but I guess people were more concerned about it being another run of the mill superhero movie? [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3824070][B] Man I don't think you were trying to be funny, but I really cracked up pretty good when I read this.
You would think this movie did terrible given some of the comments here. I mean I thought the movie was straight fire and did what no other marvel movie dared.. but I guess people were more concerned about it being another run of the mill superhero movie? [/B][/QUOTE]
The second time I saw it, it was as part of a team building function for my job.
It was a group of MOSTLY old white people and they loved it. I heard many talking about it the next day on their phones saying stuff like, "It was really good... yeah, uh-huh, no they're true, it was much different than I was expecting. Yeah, yeah, you should go see it."
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3823891]I mean, I love that movie. It's 1 or 2 depending on the day for my favorite comic movie ever.
But there are arguments to be made that the Russos can make you vomit from their quick cut style in that movie. Or the fact the camera jumps constantly to hide stunt doubles (oh scarlet).[/QUOTE]
I would prefer stunt doubles infact everyone should unless youre jackie chan. I could care less about seeing Scarlett Johansson's face and more so about seeing black widow do a really cool kick. Had Coogler used stunt doubles which everyone should be for since stunt doubles are a major part of the industry and need work then we would have gotten much better choreographed fights. Also, people in this group need to understand that criticism of a specific point is not a complete repudiation of the entire movie. But haters going to hate right