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A universal threat. That's big talk for a guy who has never ever accomplished anything.
Oh, if only T'challa who defeated Logos, invented the means to escape multiversal collapse, defeated mephisto, subdued the silver surfer... If only this guy could *somehow* develope the means to take down a guy was was defeated by Forge and Dr. Nemesis.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3741940]Almost all the arguments made pro deification Storm could be made for T'Challa using Coates logic. Minus the whole she was a goddess before thing. I'm not saying I want T'Challa deified, I don't really, but, rather than explore and elevate Storm, Coates could have used; shadow physics, science out of nowhere (a common comic book trope), native Wakandans magic, Shuri's new powers, or whatever to elevate T'Challa or Wakanda to a new level in his own comic. It's just a shame about Coates dislike for T'Challa and his continuing what is now essentially 10 years of deconstruction of the Wakandans mythos.[/QUOTE]
He went all around wakanda protecting wakandans from monsters
He regained the support of the doras.
He fixed his relationship with storm.
He had support grom the elders.
He won back support of his ancestors.
His sister is back. Ramonda healthy. Qdj is back. Kasper is back. Okoye is back.
The story was set up for the protector of wakanda to ascend to godhood to beat back the adversary and seal the door like the orisha did with the full faith of wakanda behind him.
Aka he succeeds in re uniting wakanda as a whole.
You then would just have to figure out a way to depower him back.
One way is to have Bast return, as defeatong the adversary frees her. Tchalla bends tge knee, which strips him of godood. Bast reveals this was a test for her favorrd son to prove his worthiness... aka the petty shit gods do.
Tchalla reinsertrf as kong, doras back in the fold, everyone wins
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3742133]A universal threat. That's big talk for a guy who has never ever accomplished anything.
Oh, if only T'challa who defeated Logos, invented the means to escape multiversal collapse, defeated mephisto, subdued the silver surfer... If only this guy could *somehow* develope the means to take down a guy was was defeated by Forge and Dr. Nemesis.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]If only someone else were writing Black Panther.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3741984]One of the best things about comics is seeing your hero find a new way to beat impossible enemies. You are overjoyed at Coates deification of Storm , no? Solidification of how powerful and effective she can be? That is what we want in the BP comic. An imaginative writer could have written new aspects of whatever reasons I've given for T'Challa to defeat the Adversary. Shadow physics alone could have teleported the Adversary to the portal. Apparently that is it's only on panel use so far. What if it trapped the adversary in a teleportation mobius strip like trap to hold him long enough to get him through the portal. Or T'Challa calling on knowledge of one of the previous panthers to magically wisk Adversary into the portal, or Shuri's and her new powers. Just something new for T'Challa and Wakanda rather than some old tease about Storms being a goddess. Storm is already Uber powerful if not written that way. Did she really need a power upgrade? Wakandans limited publication history says they need more feathers than Storm.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you to a certain extent. Some comic book readers dont want to see characters to over-powered and prefer there be an element of realism to their abilities. That said, I am overjoyed and validated as a fan due to Coates recent development of her becoming a goddess because it made canon what Claremont hinted at many years ago. And maybe Adversary was not the best enemy. Historically speaking Adversary is not a character that could be defeated by conventional means and any portal that wasnt tied to some type of life force he would eventually get out. Also adversary is not a wakandan god so I'm not sure how well his ancestors would have been able to help him here. and I would say yes she needed this upgrade. again, when adversary first encountered her back in the 80s adversary was afraid of her; coates reveal explains why. I think based upon adversary history canonically coates story was spot on but maybe this villain wasn't the best one to best highlight the things some fans wanted to see.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3741914]What Wakandans were hurt during their covert mission, save Tchalla when O'roro and he fought?
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Being a member of the Wakandan Royal Family, anyone assaulting T'challa assaulted Wakanda by proxy.
You might as well ask how many American citizens were physically hurt by Russia's alleged covert attack on the most recent Presidential election in the USA?
Making excuses for the inexcusable is way easier though.
If the roles were reversed and Storm and her beloved X-men were rendered useless by an enemy in their own books only for T'challa to ride and save their collective ass, I somehow doubt that X-fans would accept such a ridiculous premise.
If you personally can't understand why core BP enthusiasts find what Coates has done to be highly offensive under the circumstances, then there's not really much to discuss beyond this point.
Peace.
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[QUOTE=dkrook;3742112]Well, we don't even know the extent of Shadow Physics. It's short of ignorance to assume T'challa would go through the steps of crafting it just to teleport. It could very well be used to defeat a universal threat you can't deliberately put your own limit to something that an author just didn't make time to expound upon.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]True. Coates took the easiest tech feats and made them seem like some amazing abilities. Teleportation? Farce Push? Nanites?
That's grade school isht in the Marvel Universe. That gets you a set at the table with the Tinkerer and The Fixer.
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Adversary was temporarily contained in Dr Nemesis consciousness. He wasnt defeated. also mephisto and silver surfer are not on the power level of adversary who was able to defeat Roma who is a goddess who is a multiversal threat. let's not kid ourselves here. and tchalla was able to defeat logos based upon the whole idea of methapors and due to the plane in which he battled logos. that wouldn't translate as the same on earth.
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[COLOR="#000080"]BK, Mephisto is a universal threat and I would say he's on the same level or above Adversary.
He doesn't use brute force, he uses guile and cunning.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3742192][COLOR="#000080"]BK, Mephisto is a universal threat and I would say he's on the same level or above Adversary.
He doesn't use brute force, he uses guile and cunning.
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Just as T'Challa uses guile and cunning. And, if as a society as advanced as it is,. Why would Wakanda not have some comic book reason to expel adversary, but X-Men do? In BP's own comic he can't come up with the resources to defeat a villian from another franchise. Poor craftsmanship on Coates part. I mean really. Goldballs got to defeat Klaw, but all of Wakanda doesn't get to port Adversary. Tsk, tsk. Way to build a franchise.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742206]Just as T'Challa uses guile and cunning. And, if as a society as advanced as it is,. Why would Wakanda not have some comic book reason to expel adversary, but X-Men do? In BP's own comic he can't come up with the resources to defeat a villian from another franchise. Poor craftsmanship on Coates part. I mean really. Goldballs got to defeat Klaw, but all of Wakanda doesn't get to port Adversary. Tsk, tsk. Way to build a franchise.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Coates has spent 2 years ignoring BP in his own solo.
Now he thinks he can make up for it by doing a spaghetti western in space starring T'Challa as the No Name stranger who rides into town and has to take down the evil empire.
"A Fist Full of Vibranium."
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"A Fistfull of Something".
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742235]"A Fistfull of Something".[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Heh, something is right.[/COLOR]
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And, until the X-Men stood up to a universal threat, they did not have canon to back them up. It was made up. Because it is comic book science fiction.
I know not much and care less about the character Gambit, but if, as a professional, I was given the task of writing him, I would try to make him look good and still attach my personal view on the world agenda to the story. Cause, umm, that is professional. You do not denigrate your product.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3741766]Where does it state anywhere in the scans you provided that the pilgrims that ascended to becoming gods were "just regular people"? O'roro as I have explained was not "just a regular" person. She has latent mystical abilities with an ancestor who was Sorceress Supreme during the time of Atlantis, she is a potential omega-level mutant, her bloodlines goes back to the dawn of humanity (white-haired women), and she was actually worshiped as a goddess in Kenya. She was exceptional and these qualities were unique. I don't think it would be a stretch to say the same about the original Wakandans who were able to ascend as well, especially when there is no proof that they were baseline humans.
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[B]Show me where it says they aren't regular humans, because that story clearly points to then being being regular people fighting for land they inhabited and insulted the denizens and bit anything special. Just heroes rose from the conflict. Storm is a mutant. And Coates butchered the BP patheon to give her a soon to be forgotten power up. [/B]
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3741984]One of the best things about comics is seeing your hero find a new way to beat impossible enemies. You are overjoyed at Coates deification of Storm , no? Solidification of how powerful and effective she can be? That is what we want in the BP comic. An imaginative writer could have written new aspects of whatever reasons I've given for T'Challa to defeat the Adversary. Shadow physics alone could have teleported the Adversary to the portal. Apparently that is it's only on panel use so far. What if it trapped the adversary in a teleportation mobius strip like trap to hold him long enough to get him through the portal. Or T'Challa calling on knowledge of one of the previous panthers to magically wisk Adversary into the portal, or Shuri's and her new powers. Just something new for T'Challa and Wakanda rather than some old tease about Storms being a goddess. Storm is already Uber powerful if not written that way. Did she really need a power upgrade? Wakandans limited publication history says they need more feathers than Storm.[/QUOTE]
Honestly I think the point was less to make Storm more powerful, and more to strengthen the bond between Storm and Wakanda, in both a meta and non meta sense.
In a meta sense, since Storm isn't a queen anymore and technically has no official role in Wakanda outside of being the kings girlfriend, this sort of gives her a role beyond simply being T'Challa's booty call.
And in a non meta sense, I think T'Challa essentially manipulated the situation so that Storm and Wakanda could get on the same page again now that he wanted to date her again. Obviously there was some bad blood following their break up, and getting Storm to become Wakanda's savior allows Wakanda and Storm to accept each other. Which obviously clears the way for T'CHalla to date her again without any poltical problems.
Obviously the MAIN objective had to be defeating the adversary. But T'Challa isn't above killing 2 birds with one stone.