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[QUOTE=Chesterfield;2809189]It says a lot when Marvel/Disney for the first time ever showcase dailies for the media and the film they did that with is BP because they'really that confident about how great the film is going to be. You only do that when you truly know you have greatness on your hands.[/QUOTE]
Everything points to that. Marvel will more than likely promote the heck out of BP because it's a an opportunity to them to pull out the diversity card.
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Apart from any potential social issues, I think this movie is important to marvel because it's the last movie before Infinity War, which is probably the biggest most important movie thus far. So this movie is likely important at least for that reason alone. It'seems their last chance to build towards their epic climax.
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I'm really confident about the movie doing good because everything said about it has been great, from the descriptions of the cinematography, action sequences, costumes and aesthetics. It's got a fantastic cast & crew: you've got actors like Forest Whitaker, Angela Bassett and more, as well as Rachel Morrison for cinematography, Ludwig Göransson scoring the film, Hannah Beachler on production design and Ruth E. Carter doing the costumes. And this being a Marvel Studios movie, the worst it can be is meh, and I seriously doubt that happening. I do have very high expectations, I'll admit, but given how much talent has been put into the movie, it's hard to not expect a lot.
If there's [I]anything[/I] that would be bad about Black Panther, it'll probably just be not living to the high expectations a lot of people have, given that many think the MCU is "formulaic" or having a "bad" villain (two critiques I feel while having some bearing are completely overblown). Regarding the villain, while we haven't been given a lot of detail regarding the character and Michael B. Jordan's take on the role, he does have the potential to be good depending on what the theme of the movie will be. My guess is still preserving and overcoming the legacies of fathers, and that's something that can be quite relatable and human, and a theme Coogler can pull off with the right amount of emotional weight. I think Feige is aware of the villain complaints and I can see some improvements: Zemo I think while quite different from his comic book counterpart, was great in this subtle and almost non-threatning way; Kaecilius wasn't terrible and while not being exactly phenomenal (due to his backstory somehow being missing the movie but only being in the prequel comics), he was serviceable, capable, had a philosophy that made sense, and I loved how calm and polite he was. I've also heard the villain in GotG Vol.2 was good too and the way the Vulture has been described in SP:HM, he seems like another good one as well. I think Hela and Thanos will be the best villains of this phase but Killmonger could be the most relatable of all. [spoil]A source claimed that Killmonger and his family were exiled from Wakanda by King T'Chaka after being enslaved by Klaw during his Vibranium heist, and says that Klaw is on both Killmonger's and T'Challa's radar. I can see that being part of the subtle political messages in the film and in a way could get people sympathetic to Killmonger[/spoil]
I do also think people want to see a lot of political and socially relevant messages like references to police brutality and the BLM movement, the effects of colonialism, racism etc. I don't feel like that's the route Coogler and co. are taking but I wouldn't be surprised if I see a few. Marvel hasn't exactly shied away from them, and while they haven't exactly beat you over on the head with them or based an entire movie on it but they've incorporated them one way or the other (the Iron Man and Cap movies come to mind).
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[QUOTE=Lord Morph;2808636]Get Out made a bucket load of cash at the box office and that film dealt with race and made White people out to be villains. I'm actually not concerned about the domestic box office. [B]It's the foreign box office that worries me a bit. Especially China.[/B][/QUOTE]
This is the excuse that a lot of studio execs give for not greenlighting more black/minority led projects. It's been proven false. I'm really not that worried about the BP film being [B]financially[/B] successful. Even if it underperforms opening weekend, it'll still make money on the secondary market.
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[QUOTE=Chesterfield;2809189]It says a lot when Marvel/Disney for the first time ever showcase dailies for the media and the film they did that with is BP because they'really that confident about how great the film is going to be. You only do that when you truly know you have greatness on your hands.[/QUOTE]
It's definitely clever marketing. A good way to get buzz going.
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;2809337]
I do also think people want to see a lot of political and socially relevant messages like references to police brutality and the BLM movement, the effects of colonialism, racism etc. I don't feel like that's the route Coogler and co. are taking but I wouldn't be surprised if I see a few. Marvel hasn't exactly shied away from them, and while they haven't exactly beat you over on the head with them or based an entire movie on it but they've incorporated them one way or the other (the Iron Man and Cap movies come to mind).[/QUOTE]
Hmm...very interesting point!
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[QUOTE=Lord Morph;2807772]Yeah, Marvel hasn't had a flop.....yet. Keyword here is yet.There's always a first for everything. the chance is always there with every release. Even Pixar had its first critical flub after a while.[/QUOTE]
If any solo is going to flop it's going to be Captain Marvel. Not that I think it will, it won't, but it's theoretical chances are worst (and even lower, I'd say, depending on how Wonder Woman performs, sadly.)
Marvel seems to be doing a good job introducing new kinds of films. They successfully handled a heist film with ant-man, a space opera with guardians (twice), a supernatural film and world with doc strange, and a political thriller with the last 2 captain America movies, which is what I'm thinking BP will be like, which is why Im less worried about BP than Captain Marvel because while we have been introduced to Marvel Cosmos via GotG, I feel the tone of the Captain Marvel movie will differ greatly, and considering how much fans love the quirkiness of the GotG, I don't know how they'll feel about Captain Marvel trying to make things a little more serious.
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[QUOTE=Danileriver23;2809394]If any solo is going to flop it's going to be Captain Marvel. Not that I think it will, it won't, but it's theoretical chances are worst (and even lower, I'd say, depending on how Wonder Woman performs, sadly.)
Marvel seems to be doing a good job introducing new kinds of films. They successfully handled a heist film with ant-man, a space opera with guardians (twice), a supernatural film and world with doc strange, and a political thriller with the last 2 captain America movies, which is what I'm thinking BP will be like, which is why Im less worried about BP than Captain Marvel because while we have been introduced to Marvel Cosmos via GotG, I feel the tone of the Captain Marvel movie will differ greatly, and considering how much fans love the quirkiness of the GotG, I don't know how they'll feel about Captain Marvel trying to make things a little more serious.[/QUOTE]
Captain Marvel won't flop, irrespective of how wonder woman turns out. Whatever DC puts out has no bearing on the quality of what Mravel put out. The DC movies have a damaged reputation and are infamous for their woeful execution of their movies. Marvel operate on a very different level and take the time to do at least a good job with their films. Marvel aren't tone deaf like DC and with Larson being cast last year and the directors being hired only last month, coupled with her introduction in Infinity War before her solo film comes out in 2 years; I think it's safe to say Marvel are more than deserving of being given the benefit of the doubt.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;2809378]It's definitely clever marketing. A good way to get buzz going.[/QUOTE]
[B] Exactly, MCU has been doing everything Right for BP.
If only the comics would be smart and follow suit [/B]
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;2809337]I'm really confident about the movie doing good because everything said about it has been great, from the descriptions of the cinematography, action sequences, costumes and aesthetics. It's got a fantastic cast & crew: you've got actors like Forest Whitaker, Angela Bassett and more, as well as Rachel Morrison for cinematography, Ludwig Göransson scoring the film, Hannah Beachler on production design and Ruth E. Carter doing the costumes. And this being a Marvel Studios movie, the worst it can be is meh, and I seriously doubt that happening. I do have very high expectations, I'll admit, but given how much talent has been put into the movie, it's hard to not expect a lot.
If there's [I]anything[/I] that would be bad about Black Panther, it'll probably just be not living to the high expectations a lot of people have, given that many think the MCU is "formulaic" or having a "bad" villain (two critiques I feel while having some bearing are completely overblown). Regarding the villain, while we haven't been given a lot of detail regarding the character and Michael B. Jordan's take on the role, he does have the potential to be good depending on what the theme of the movie will be. My guess is still preserving and overcoming the legacies of fathers, and that's something that can be quite relatable and human, and a theme Coogler can pull off with the right amount of emotional weight. I think Feige is aware of the villain complaints and I can see some improvements: Zemo I think while quite different from his comic book counterpart, was great in this subtle and almost non-threatning way; Kaecilius wasn't terrible and while not being exactly phenomenal (due to his backstory somehow being missing the movie but only being in the prequel comics), he was serviceable, capable, had a philosophy that made sense, and I loved how calm and polite he was. I've also heard the villain in GotG Vol.2 was good too and the way the Vulture has been described in SP:HM, he seems like another good one as well. I think Hela and Thanos will be the best villains of this phase but Killmonger could be the most relatable of all. [spoil]A source claimed that Killmonger and his family were exiled from Wakanda by King T'Chaka after being enslaved by Klaw during his Vibranium heist, and says that Klaw is on both Killmonger's and T'Challa's radar. I can see that being part of the subtle political messages in the film and in a way could get people sympathetic to Killmonger[/spoil]
I do also think people want to see a lot of political and socially relevant messages like references to police brutality and the BLM movement, the effects of colonialism, racism etc. I don't feel like that's the route Coogler and co. are taking but I wouldn't be surprised if I see a few. Marvel hasn't exactly shied away from them, and while they haven't exactly beat you over on the head with them or based an entire movie on it but they've incorporated them one way or the other (the Iron Man and Cap movies come to mind).[/QUOTE]
I think people see the cast that is filled with exceptional Black actors and think the film is going to go far and beyond from Marvel's usual work. Like this will be Oscar caliber stuff like Spike Lee's Malcolm X only involving superheroes lol. Those people should probably reign in their expectations a bit. They probably will come out very disappointed.
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[QUOTE=Lord Morph;2809546]I think people see the cast that is filled with exceptional Black actors and think the film is going to go far and beyond from Marvel's usual work. Like this will be Oscar caliber stuff like Spike Lee's Malcolm X only involving superheroes lol. Those people should probably reign in their expectations a bit. They probably will come out very disappointed.[/QUOTE]
[B]It's a combination of a bunch of things, not simply the cast[/B]
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[QUOTE=Chesterfield;2809465]Captain Marvel won't flop, irrespective of how wonder woman turns out. Whatever DC puts out has no bearing on the quality of what Mravel put out. The DC movies have a damaged reputation and are infamous for their woeful execution of their movies. Marvel operate on a very different level and take the time to do at least a good job with their films. Marvel aren't tone deaf like DC and with Larson being cast last year and the directors being hired only last month, coupled with her introduction in Infinity War before her solo film comes out in 2 years; I think it's safe to say Marvel are more than deserving of being given the benefit of the doubt.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Danileriver23;2809394]If any solo is going to flop it's going to be Captain Marvel. Not that I think it will, [B]it won't[/B][/QUOTE]
Never said it was going to fail, only that [I]if[/I] there was going to be one to fail it would be this one and that I feel it has more stacked against it than black panther.
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[QUOTE=Lord Morph;2809546]I think people see the cast that is filled with exceptional Black actors and think the film is going to go far and beyond from Marvel's usual work. Like this will be Oscar caliber stuff like Spike Lee's Malcolm X only involving superheroes lol. Those people should probably reign in their expectations a bit. They probably will come out very disappointed.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2809554][B]It's a combination of a bunch of things, not simply the cast[/B][/QUOTE]
I do think it's part of it though. Granted Doctor Strange had a brilliant cast assembled and I don't remember people talking about Oscar buzz but then again, I didn't feel like Doctor Strange was going to be an emotionally heavy movie (the general tone it was advertised as was "complete mind-f*ck" lol).
With Black Panther you've got Ryan Coogler as director (who has said this will be his most personal movie yet)
and Joe Robert Cole as the screenplay writer. I personally don't know how hard Coogler would push the actors to absolutely act the hell out of their roles and I don't know if JRC has delivered a tear jerking script but I'm expecting a lot of emotion. Coogler's two only movies have got bits like that in them and given the amount of (alleged) freedom Marvel has given him and how much this movie is personal to him, I'm expecting a lot.
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I feel like Inhumans would have been the one Marvel Studios movie to had not been the best.
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;2809635]I do think it's part of it though. Granted Doctor Strange had a brilliant cast assembled and I don't remember people talking about Oscar buzz but then again, I didn't feel like Doctor Strange was going to be an emotionally heavy movie (the general tone it was advertised as was "complete mind-f*ck" lol).
With Black Panther you've got Ryan Coogler as director (who has said this will be his most personal movie yet)
and Joe Robert Cole as the screenplay writer. I personally don't know how hard Coogler would push the actors to absolutely act the hell out of their roles and I don't know if JRC has delivered a tear jerking script but I'm expecting a lot of emotion. Coogler's two only movies have got bits like that in them and given the amount of (alleged) freedom Marvel has given him and how much this movie is personal to him, I'm expecting a lot.[/QUOTE]
[B]They got some flake for White washing when they changed the ancient one Into. White woman. I don't think it was gender bending but the race bending. Also I feel BP is a different kind of movie. I'm not expecting Oscar nominations, but will it set a new standard for marvel movies? I expect that[/B]