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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3815379]Malice is enhanced. I don't think she is quite "comicbook peak human" enhanced ala BP, Cap and such but she is above normal human.
Not by the herb though, the herb only gave her control over men.
She was enhanced by Killmonger when he saved her/ressurected her after Achebe tortured her to death/near death.
Which is what irks me about this story. Malice doesn't need this dumb drum lol. She is a trained, elite Dora Milajae AND she is enhanced unlike her "sisters." She would be a handful for Okoye, Ayo, and Aneka all by herself just on her innate abilities. and if she wanted to kill Storm, she would have snuck into the shop and slit her throat unnoticed lol.
I highly recommend reading Priest haha.[/QUOTE]
She's not just fighting the Doras. She's on there with Spiderman, the X-Men and Avengers. So being slightly enhanced isn't going to cut it. She needs whatever enhancements she can get her hands on.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3816149]remember I said awhile ago maybe Coates knew something we didnt which is why he put ororo with tchalla. now here we are and ororo could actually appear in BP2!!!!! am I the only one hyped!!!!!!?!?!?!?!!?!?![/QUOTE]
Storm most likely will be in Black Panther 2 but as a cameo. Then play a bigger role in Black Panther 3.
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;3816229]I'm on record saying Killmonger was just as good of a character as Joker. I just think the weak fight at the end hurts the aura of the character. Jordan although great just wasn't as great as Ledger imo. I've said before if you put a young Denzel or maybe a young Laurence Fishburne in the role it becomes GOAT status
Huge fan of Jordan's performance though. I think he'll be back in the sequel for an ancestral plane scene. Could be a dope Hannibal Lector style way to keep the character around and have T'Challa visit/pick his brain.[/QUOTE]
[B]That's your opinion on the Fight and to be honest, tdk final Fight was even weaker then BPs.
To me both were great, and I'm not knocking ledger but when he passed that also boosts people's appreciation for the person and plus the movie focused more on joker then Batman to the point it was more his movie then Bruce.
Honestly saying a young Denzel or Lawrence means little because they aren't young and BP has already hit that goat status as it's the biggest super hero solo ever and soon to be the 3rd movie in history to hit 700mil domestic.. others being starwars and Avatar.. IW isn't even going to hit it and it was the most anticipated movie of the decade. Let that sink in[/B]
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[video=youtube;JS5162h2aD8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS5162h2aD8[/video]
Would love a Netflix or Disney streaming service Killmonger prequel.
Great thing is that it could essentially be an N'Jobu prequel as well. Telling his son stories about growing up in Wakanda with T'Chaka. Then in the 3rd act you can see Killmonger gaining Klaue's trust and causing havoc all around the world.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3816413][B]That's your opinion on the Fight and to be honest, tdk final Fight was even weaker then BPs.
To me both were great, and I'm not knocking ledger but when he passed that also boosts people's appreciation for the person and plus the movie focused more on joker then Batman to the point it was more his movie then Bruce.
Honestly saying a young Denzel or Lawrence means little because they aren't young and BP has already hit that goat status as it's the biggest super hero solo ever and soon to be the 3rd movie in history to hit 700mil domestic.. others being starwars and Avatar.. IW isn't even going to hit it and it was the most anticipated movie of the decade. Let that sink in[/B][/QUOTE]
I guess you could make the case someone like Chiwetel (if he wasn't in Doctor Strange) Nate Parker (I know that would never have happened anyway). More seasoned and hardened actors. Jordan was GREAT. However, where as I think Ledger stepped it up in his scenes with Bale I feel like Jordan (outside of the waterfall fight) wasn't as convincing as Boseman.
Imo Jordan was amazing in the movie in every scene he didn't share with Boseman. However, when Boseman was around you could see who was the more seasoned actor and that MBJ was trying to force his scenes just a tad. Again still great though.
TDK final fight was weak. Which again why I think BP had the potential to pass it imo and the sequel has it as well. TDK wasn't cut trimmed down and the practical effects make for more engaging scenes. Again I think Coogler can make the GOAT comic book movie if they let him and he's on his game.
Just hoping Marvel feels the pressure to challenging itself.
I think IW suffered a tad because it didn't do as well critically as someone people would have thought. Black Panther was the worse movie (for IW) to have come out before it. Coogler's engaging story telling was going to make IW's Infinity Stone shenanigans seemed a bit jarring for critics. So they judged it harsher.
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[QUOTE=blacksonic;3816375]Storm most likely will be in Black Panther 2 but as a cameo. Then play a bigger role in Black Panther 3.[/QUOTE]
[B] Chad and lupita aren't going to be down with that. They said as much already as did fiege[/B]
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;3816467]I guess you could make the case someone like Chiwetel (if he wasn't in Doctor Strange) Nate Parker (I know that would never have happened anyway). More seasoned and hardened actors. Jordan was GREAT. However, where as I think Ledger stepped it up in his scenes with Bale I feel like Jordan (outside of the waterfall fight) wasn't as convincing as Boseman.
Imo Jordan was amazing in the movie in every scene he didn't share with Boseman. However, when Boseman was around you could see who was the more seasoned actor and that MBJ was trying to force his scenes just a tad. Again still great though.
TDK final fight was weak. Which again why I think BP had the potential to pass it imo and the sequel has it as well. TDK wasn't cut trimmed down and the practical effects make for more engaging scenes. Again I think Coogler can make the GOAT comic book movie if they let him and he's on his game.
Just hoping Marvel feels the pressure to challenging itself.
I think IW suffered a tad because it didn't do as well critically as someone people would have thought. Black Panther was the worse movie (for IW) to have come out before it. Coogler's engaging story telling was going to make IW's Infinity Stone shenanigans seemed a bit jarring for critics. So they judged it harsher.[/QUOTE]
[B] Chadwick was a boss kb every scene he was in. He in fact helped the supporting cast look great by how well he wore the different hats needed for the different Characters. I thinks Jordans best scenes where warrior falls and when he goes to the ancestral plane. And really I feel Bale was overshadowed by ledger. Just being honest ledger is the reason tdk was hailed as well as it was.
.IW suffered from other Summer boxoffices, and that unlike BP Which had people leaving the theater with positive feelings and as of which made it something to watch over and over again, and the story was very well nuanced IW didn't and I think that's why. Not because critics were judging it harsher.[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3816498][B] Chad and lupita aren't going to be down with that. They said as much already as did fiege[/B][/QUOTE]
Lupita said she'd be open to becoming the Malice character. That could be their way out.
Have Lupita "die" in the middle of the 2nd movie and then come back as a villain in part 3.
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I see a lot of fans afraid about X-Men joining the MCU.
I think Black Panther is proof that X-Men can and should be handled seriously.
[QUOTE]Marvel's X-Men Will Have To Be Different After Black Panther
But when it comes to social-justice metaphor, few properties can touch Marvel's X-Men. The idea of heroes whose special-abilities made the very people they were charged with protecting fear or even hate them was baked into the Marvel Universe narrative almost from the beginning, but the Mutant characters were in a class by themselves. Created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in the midst of the social upheaval of the 1960s Civil Rights movement, the series' initial good/evil scenario was framed around competing responses to the Mutants themselves as metaphors for other real-world persecuted minorities: Professor Xavier's X-Men use their skills to fight crime in part to demonstrate that Mutants were not simply "safe" but societally-beneficial, while Magneto's "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" were militants seeking to overthrow human civilization and rule it.
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Admittedly, the metaphor was never exactly perfect; nevermind that the common shorthand of Xavier and Magneto as stand-ins for Martin Luther King and Malcom X feels, in 2018, like an offensively grotesque over-simplification of the dichotomy in both men's ideologies (particularly on the Brotherhood's end, since the Black Militant movements of the era tended to focus on community/neighborhood defense and self-sufficiency rather than armed insurrection), the superhero context itself muddied the point somewhat; for all the myriad reasons that racial, religious and sexual/gender-minorities have found themselves marginalized in U.S. history, "fear of superhuman abilities" hasn't been one of them. But the concept proved fertile for later takes on the material to show greater depth, like Chris Claremont's "God Loves, Man Kills" storyline and the live-action X-Men films' more explicit parallels to the LGBTQ rights struggle up to and including casting prominent gay rights activist Ian McKellan as Magneto.
And while it's true that not every X-Men storyline has centered this particular aspect of the characters as the main narrative focus, it does tend to be the main thing that sets them apart from other superhero teams. As such it's been heavily expected among some fans that if and when the characters come "home" to the Marvel Cinematic Universe (following the still in-progress acquisition of 20th Century Fox's film and TV assets by the Disney Corporation) that this would continue to be the case in order to help them stand out from The Avengers or the Guardians of The Galaxy. But Marvel itself may have complicated the usability that particular narrative in an unexpected way - namely, letting newly-minted superstar director Ryan Coogler turn Black Panther into the most politically-charged box-office smash in recent memory.
Much was made in the lead-up to the Africa-set film's release of how historical and even radical a pop-culture "event" it was simply by virtue of its existence; not simply the first Black-led superhero blockbuster in many years (and the first to feature a majority-Black cast and arrive courtesy of a Black director), but the first big-budget Hollywood feature grounded in the burgeoning afro-futurist aesthetic - with the fictional setting of Wakanda implicitly offering a vision of a Black African culture uninhibited by colonial plunder. But few could've expected that the film's actual narrative would take these themes from subtext to simply text, with a storyline that turned out to be all about what a place like Wakanda would mean for (and, more immediately, "to") Black people in the real world.
RELATED: BLACK PANTHER IS A SPIRITUAL SEQUEL TO THOR: RAGNAROK
While Black Panther's original comic book arch-enemy, Klaw (or, rather, "Ulysseys Klaue") at first appears to be the main antagonist, it becomes clear around midpoint that the real threat to T'Challa and indeed all of Wakanda is Michael B. Jordan as Erik Stevens, aka "Killmonger," a CIA-trained wetwork specialist of part-Wakandan descent who shows up on a mission to seize the throne and with a bone to pick with Wakanda itself; he's deeply angry that this technologically-advanced Black Utopia hasn't used its technological and military might to come to the rescue of fellow Africans who were taken to the West as slaves - or their descendants, like him, still living under the yoke of racism, over-policing and White Supremacy today. His plan? Use the nation's weaponry and resources to arm/encourage Black revolutionary uprisings all over the world and establish a global Wakandan Empire.
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There is, of course, a more specifically-personal motive guiding Killmonger's schemes; he's actually T'Challa's American-born cousin, the son of a royal-born spy (T'Challa's uncle) killed by the Wakandan King's father and predecessor in part for trying to enact a similar plan back in 1992. He's also more than a little morally-compromised in his own ideology, a self-obsessed brute who beats up (and kills) women without hesitation and boasts of killing people of all races as part of his decades-long plan to achieve his revolutionary aims.
And there's no mistaking that the conflict between Killmonger and T'Challa (who moves, over the course of the film, from isolationism to the benevolent example-setting championed by his ally/love-interest Nakia) in Black Panther eventually comes down to the same argument of whether militant-revolution or outreach will best serve the interests of oppressed peoples that's long been the foundation of the X-Men franchise. But where there the subject is addressed in the detached manner of metaphor and analogy, with endlessly-varied genetically-granted superpowers standing in for the experience of being born into a marginalized class by virtue of belief, background or skin color. Killmonger isn't a "metaphor" for a Black Militant like Magneto was - he's the real thing, no filter.
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[url]https://screenrant.com/x-men-mcu-different-black-panther/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;3816813]I see a lot of fans afraid about X-Men joining the MCU.
I think Black Panther is proof that X-Men can and should be handled seriously.
[url]https://screenrant.com/x-men-mcu-different-black-panther/[/url][/QUOTE]
It is not fear within the confines of a possible movie or the comic. Im sure Marvel Studios will handle it well.
It is the fans/Xmen writers that come with it. lol. From what I understand, the marriage years were not good times on message boards. We prefer not to have a repeat on FB and twitter. lol
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;3815918]Tom Cruise has for an actor a bizarre disregard for his own safety.
You only see that kind of thing in the Hong Kong cinema and those guys were mostly trained stuntmen(guys like Jackie Chan trained from childhood in the Chinese Opera/Circus).
I doubt many other actors would willingly take the risks Cruise does.[/QUOTE]
On a side note look up the action legend Amitabh Bachchan (in my part of the world):
[url]https://tribune.com.pk/story/1725139/4-7-bollywood-actors-perform-stunts/[/url]
But Cruise, Keanu and I believe Vin are keeping the legacy alive when it comes to doing your own stunt work.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3816859]It is not fear within the confines of a possible movie or the comic. Im sure Marvel Studios will handle it well.
It is the fans/Xmen writers that come with it. lol. [B]From what I understand, the marriage years were not good times on message boards[/B]. We prefer not to have a repeat on FB and twitter. lol[/QUOTE]
Those were dark days, indeed.
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[QUOTE=LastManStanding;3816877]On a side note look up the action legend Amitabh Bachchan (in my part of the world):
[url]https://tribune.com.pk/story/1725139/4-7-bollywood-actors-perform-stunts/[/url]
But Cruise, Keanu and I believe Vin are keeping the legacy alive when it comes to doing your own stunt work.[/QUOTE]
I remember seeing Amitabh Bachan for the first time in Toofan when I was a kid. He is really good but a old now so I'm not sure if he is still doing his own stunts.
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;3816808]Lupita said she'd be open to becoming the Malice character. That could be their way out.
Have Lupita "die" in the middle of the 2nd movie and then come back as a villain in part 3.[/QUOTE]
[B]mcy Nakia is vastly different then comic Nakia. They really only share the same name. It would be incredibly stupid to kill/villainize Nakia, in favor of Storm.. Also Where did she State that? Because she and Chadwick were pretty clear they didn't want to go that route and tnakia should stay a thing in the MCU[/B]
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Chadwick Boseman age 40
Lupita Nyong'o age 35
Halle Berry age 51
Alexandra Shipp Age 27
Yeah, I think we're done here... :cool:
[video=youtube;1tXQ6EwWdkM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tXQ6EwWdkM[/video]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3816923][B]mcy Nakia is vastly different then comic Nakia. They really only share the same name. It would be incredibly stupid to kill/villainize Nakia, in favor of Storm.. Also Where did she State that? Because she and Chadwick were pretty clear they didn't want to go that route and tnakia should stay a thing in the MCU[/B][/QUOTE]
It sounds like she said she was cool with the Nakia turn in the same intereview where Boseman and her were talking about staying a thing.
[url]http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/02/16/black-panther-nakia-malice-villain-sequel-/[/url]
Maybe they both like the idea of a villain and hero having a thing.
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1.3 Billion Dollars says they won't touch the Malice angle and just offer an update of an already existing villain (Moses Magnum or a non offensive variation of Achebe) than spoil all that great black love!
MCU Nakia had to be persuaded to stay in Wakanda on that "Outreach" program so exactly how does that existing character even become Malice over petty jealousy all of a sudden?
Nakia along with Okoye and Shuri should not be destined for sudden turn of character events after all the work that they put in in the first movie saving T'challa... Play it safe and find another villain and keep the peace in black beauty shops worldwide!
Even Romanda would look silly at this point riding the Achebe train in the MCU considering Angela Bassett's established portrayal!
As far as the varied age of past and present Storm (Halle and Shipp) they are either too young or too old and trying to cast someone new just ruins the current continuity already established for an actress who may not even have that type of star power to begin with overshadowing Lupita!
Black Panther and Storm is a long in the tooth relationship that wreaks of Hollywood Housewives reality tv drama as shown in those "Ugly Nakia" scans!
"Ugly Nakia" only begets "Ugly Nakia" nothing more nothing less... The moment they cast beautiful Lupita as Nakia in the MCU and did what they did there is no going back just to wreck the franchise that delivered such record breaking revenue!
Ratchet Angry Black Woman in this era... Good Luck with that! :cool:
1.3 Billion Dollars says don't go back to this era or suffer those Superfly box-office receipts...
[video=youtube;IkwI1EdMI7Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkwI1EdMI7Q[/video]
Pour out a little liquor for "Ugly Nakia" and keep it moving... PEACE!!!
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3816934]Chadwick Boseman age 40
Lupita Nyong'o age 35
Halle Berry age 51
Alexandra Shipp Age 27
Yeah, I think we're done here... :cool:
[video=youtube;1tXQ6EwWdkM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tXQ6EwWdkM[/video][/QUOTE]
Storm Most likely will be Back Panther 2 and 3 no matter what her age will be.
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I honestly think it would be too complicated to introduce Storm as a key player in the current BP franchise.
We have no insight on what casting specifics the MCU will have for the X-Men. We don't know what age range Storm will be.
I'd be okay with a platonic cameo, though.
If the MCU reboots, then I could understand making BP and Storm a couple.
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Blade Trinity... :cool:
Hey look it's a Blade movie starring Mrs. Justin Timberlake because that's what we're paying 1.3 billion dollars for...
[video=youtube;hNKkRLRoLmU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNKkRLRoLmU[/video]
Storm will require a lot of extra screen time and extra make up and an extra budget for all that unnecessary CGI that got complaints in the first movie!
Hurricanes and tornadoes around the vibranium mound because... Reasons!
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[QUOTE=blacksonic;3817127]Storm Most likely will be Back Panther 2 and 3 no matter what her age will be.[/QUOTE]
[B]No she won't Dude. There is no reason to bring her in. [/B]
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Nerd community would disagree big time, lol.
[QUOTE]4. "Black Panther" (2018)
Disney
Directed by Ryan Coogler
Maybe it's too early to have "Black Panther" so high on the list, but I'm doing it anyway. It's already broken plenty of box-office records and introduced audiences to a diverse cast rarely seen in superhero films. In the same way that "Wonder Woman" impacted so many for being a female-centric superhero movie, "Black Panther" is the first in the genre to feature a nearly all-black cast. Set in the fictional African nation of Wakanda, "Black Panther" brings audiences to a world unlike any in other superhero movies, and its storyline tackles modern political and social issues that other superhero movies wouldn't dare touch. Michael B. Jordan's villain Killmonger is one of the best villains in the genre, simply because his purpose can resonate with so many. [/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.***************.com/50-best-superhero-movies-of-all-time-ranked-marvel-dc-and-more-2018-3[/url]
[QUOTE] Black Panther 2018 #2
ROTTEN
TOMATOES
96%
BOX
OFFICE
$675M
ADJUSTED
BOX OFFICE
$675M
REMAKE
NECESSITY
3.40
REWATCH
ABILITY
9.60
TOTAL SCORE
202
MICAH PETERS SAYS:
Listen, the best way I can describe Black Panther is by making you listen to this song.
What is Black Panther’s most iconic moment? There are many: Okoye using her wig as a weapon; Michael B. Jordan’s menacing and accidentally sultry “Hey, auntie”; literally everything that Shuri says, even her dated “What Are Thoooooose?” joke. But the most iconic moment is by far M’Baku barking Everett Ross into submission in the Jabari throne room.
What about Black Panther didn’t age well? The final fight scene on the train track between Killmonger and T’Challa, for two reasons. First, there’s nothing all that special about it. What I desperately wanted, at some point, was a tracking shot fight à la the one in Creed, which would’ve been groundbreaking—though I concede that desire was greedy and unreasonable for a superhero film involving this much CGI. Second, it was so much less climactic than the final fight scenes in Civil War and Winter Soldier, which I guess is what happens when you go with tricking—which is something like an amalgam of free-running and capoeira—instead of MMA for fight choreography. [/QUOTE]
[url]http://superheroes.theringer.com/[/url]
[QUOTE]Most superhero movies are fundamentally conservative. Not necessarily politically — though all too many of them are, what with their affection for violent maintenance of the status quo. They’re artistically conservative, rarely taking risks that would challenge corporate conventional wisdom, and typically harking back with nostalgia for the past. They rarely try to invent anything or push the genre forward in a substantial way. Then, it’s 2018, 20 years into the present superhero boom, and here comes writer-director Ryan Coogler, a fierce-eyed Afrofuturist, preaching to us the gospel of the Black Panther. The character’s eponymous film is so stunning that words fail in the immediate aftermath of a first viewing. You’ve seen something not conservative, not even progressive, but downright revolutionary.
On a purely superheroic level, it fires on all cylinders. Chadwick Boseman’s titular protagonist is an instant icon thanks to his tentatively regal charisma, contemplative speech patterns, cryptic smile, perfected body, and profoundly evocative eyes. His rival, Michael B. Jordan’s Erik Killmonger, is among the best villains to ever grace the superhero genre in any medium, presenting an intimidating swagger and a persuasive master plan. Their conflict is Shakespearean in its themes, epic in its dialogue (though also prone to delightful dips into vernacular), and jaw-dropping in its climactic action. The CGI and practical effects are near-perfect and the costuming and production design, with its mix of pan-Africanism and the Apple Store, looks unlike anything we’ve seen before. Although it’s billed as a solo flick, it’s really about an African superteam, most of whom are women: Lupita Nyong’o’s Nakia, Danai Gurira’s Okoye, Letitia Wright’s Shuri, Angela Bassett’s Ramonda, and the nameless legions of the all-female fighting force known as the Dora Milaje are vividly imagined and endlessly engaging. And it’s funny as hell, to boot (Wright is a particular standout in this regard, and an early moment when she quotes an internet meme leaves one who gets the reference in tears).
But what truly sets Black Panther apart is that it envisions something no superhero movie — no major studio blockbuster of any kind, really — has ever even come close to contemplating: The complex intersection of black joy and black liberation. In the fictional African nation of Wakanda, Coogler & Co. grant us a utopia in which white colonialism never happened and people of color reached unparalleled excellence. And in the form of Killmonger, it goes one step further and asks what it means to build a utopia and keep it to oneself.
It raises urgent questions about comfort, advancement, and privilege, challenging audiences of any ethnic background to wonder whether they’re doing enough to overturn the systems that make some lives convenient at the expense of the bodies of the oppressed. If you’re watching it right, you finish the movie and feel thrilled, but also stirred to action. It forces you to think not just about the usual superheroic themes of heroism and self-sacrifice, but also about the very nature of social existence. Much in the way that 1978’s Superman made audiences believe a man can fly, Black Panther makes them believe a superhero movie can be explicitly about something.
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[url]http://www.vulture.com/article/best-superhero-movies.html[/url]
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Atlanta.
Black Panther 2 movie set...
A frustrated T'chadwick Boseman storms (yes storms) out of his trailer and makes a beeline straight towards director Coogler.
Boseman: "DUDE, I've been in my trailer all day when do we shoot the next scene?"
Coogler: "Be patient we are still working on the Storm fight scene choreography."
Boseman folds his arms across his chest and decides to watch with a disgusted frown upon his face.
Coogler: "Storm saves Wakanda take 5... Action!"
As the yet unnamed actress portraying Storm flies into the scene on Kung fu movie type wires...
Storm: "I call upon the mighty winds to avenge Wakanda!"
WHOOSH and whatnot. :cool:
Coogler: "CUT! Let's set up the Storm Goddess worshipping scene... EXTRAS, I need you over to the left side of the camera on your knees."
Just then Lupita storms (yes storms) onto the set...
Lupita: "I spent hours in makeup and it's getting late when do we shoot my scene?"
Coogler: "My bad weren't you at the meeting... We scaled back your scenes and gave most of your lines to Storm."
Boseman: "WTF happened to you?"
Lupita: "What do you mean?"
Boseman: "Look in a mirror!"
Lupita snatches a mirror out of her purse and looks at her self closely.
Lupita: "THE HELL..."
Ratchet and tore up from the floor up Lupita smashes the mirror at Coogler's feet.
Coogler: "Ah yes Ugly Nakia, I love it when you stay in character we need more of that feisty attitude so don't hold back!"
Storm: "The script says that I beat up Ugly Nakia when do we film that?"
The Storm actress comes over and whips her hair right in the face of Lupita... WHOOSH and whatnot! ;)
[video=youtube;bmaErg4FUAc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmaErg4FUAc[/video]
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Watching old Collider Heroes videos.
[video=youtube_share;2EwAQGXqleg]https://youtu.be/2EwAQGXqleg?t=9m55s[/video]
Schnepp mentioned how he could get to watch 20 to 30 more years of Coogler.
[img]http://replygif.net/i/1553.gif[/img]
R.I.P Schnepp
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3817286]Atlanta.
Black Panther 2 movie set...
A frustrated T'chadwick Boseman storms (yes storms) out of his trailer and makes a beeline straight towards director Coogler.
Boseman: "DUDE, I've been in my trailer all day when do we shoot the next scene?"
Coogler: "Be patient we are still working on the Storm fight scene choreography."
Boseman folds his arms across his chest and decides to watch with a disgusted frown upon his face.
Coogler: "Storm saves Wakanda take 5... Action!"
As the yet unnamed actress portraying Storm flies into the scene on Kung fu movie type wires...
Storm: "I call upon the mighty winds to avenge Wakanda!"
WHOOSH and whatnot. :cool:
Coogler: "CUT! Let's set up the Storm Goddess worshipping scene... EXTRAS, I need you over to the left side of the camera on your knees."
Just then Lupita storms (yes storms) onto the set...
Lupita: "I spent hours in makeup and it's getting late when do we shoot my scene?"
Coogler: "My bad weren't you at the meeting... We scaled back your scenes and gave most of your lines to Storm."
Boseman: "WTF happened to you?"
Lupita: "What do you mean?"
Boseman: "Look in a mirror!"
Lupita snatches a mirror out of her purse and looks at her self closely.
Lupita: "THE HELL..."
Ratchet and tore up from the floor up Lupita smashes the mirror at Coogler's feet.
Coogler: "Ah yes Ugly Nakia, I love it when you stay in character we need more of that feisty attitude so don't hold back!"
Storm: "The script says that I beat up Ugly Nakia when do we film that?"
The Storm actress comes over and whips her hair right in the face of Lupita... WHOOSH and whatnot! ;)
[video=youtube;bmaErg4FUAc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmaErg4FUAc[/video][/QUOTE]
[B]Flex... Damnit that's funny..[/B]
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;3817329]Watching old Collider Heroes videos.
[video=youtube_share;2EwAQGXqleg]https://youtu.be/2EwAQGXqleg?t=9m55s[/video]
Schnepp mentioned how he could get to watch 20 to 30 more years of Coogler.
[img]http://replygif.net/i/1553.gif[/img]
R.I.P Schnepp[/QUOTE]
Yep R.I.P Schnepp. The BP he co-directed and the Russo Bros in CW are still my favorites versions.
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There's a simple question I think everyone is failing to ask:
In [I]the context of the MCU[/I], why would BP and Storm get together?
With Wakanda's canonical isolationism, it's highly unlikely T'Challa met Ororo in their youth, and "Because it happened in the comics" is not a viable answer.
(Especially with the movies driving the comics more and more, these days.)
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3817622]There's a simple question I think everyone is failing to ask:
In [I]the context of the MCU[/I], why would BP and Storm get together?
With Wakanda's canonical isolationism, it's highly unlikely T'Challa met Ororo in their youth, [B][I][U]and "Because it happened in the comics" is not a viable answer.[/U][/I][/B]
(Especially with the movies driving the comics more and more, these days.)[/QUOTE]
True (the bolded), but it's a reason people will give none the less. Example. The #1 reason why Nakia "must" become evil/Malice.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3817622]There's a simple question I think everyone is failing to ask:
In [I]the context of the MCU[/I], why would BP and Storm get together?
With Wakanda's canonical isolationism, it's highly unlikely T'Challa met Ororo in their youth, and "Because it happened in the comics" is not a viable answer.
(Especially with the movies driving the comics more and more, these days.)[/QUOTE]
It's really not that hard to make up a scenario where T'Challa and Storm met in their youth IF the movie decides they have history together. It's not like anything implies he's NEVER left Wakanda.
And of course, if they decide not to go that route, it's all moot anyways. Pairing Storm with T'Challa is by no means a given or an obligation... it's merely an available option now down the road.
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;3817202]I honestly think it would be too complicated to introduce Storm as a key player in the current BP franchise.
We have no insight on what casting specifics the MCU will have for the X-Men. We don't know what age range Storm will be.
I'd be okay with a platonic cameo, though.[/QUOTE]
I genuinely don't see the point of a platonic cameo. That's just fanservice without serving the story at all while still drastically undercutting the entire original point (so not even appeasing the fans). I'm not saying I care one way or the other whether Storm and T'Challa get together, but, if they appear together, it makes way more sense to actually embrace it if you're going that far. That being said, the MCU doesn't mirror the comics when it comes to superhero relationships, otherwise, Black Widow would have been with either Hawkeye or Daredevil and wasn't.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3817622]There's a simple question I think everyone is failing to ask:
In [I]the context of the MCU[/I], why would BP and Storm get together?
With Wakanda's canonical isolationism, it's highly unlikely T'Challa met Ororo in their youth, and "Because it happened in the comics" is not a viable answer.
(Especially with the movies driving the comics more and more, these days.)[/QUOTE]
I don't think the idea of Ororo going to Wakanda is as unlikely as you might think. If Klawe was capable of going in, other people could be too. Or maybe one of her parents was a secret agent sent to infiltrate the world (obviously, it's pretty similar to N'Jadaka's story, though). Alternatively, you could have them meet in the modern day with the Avengers meeting the X-Men.
Marvel Premiere #51 - [i]The Killing of Windeagle[/i]
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Sorry I missed yesterday. That was to simulate the delay between the two issues - yeah, that's totally it!
As a bit of recap, last issue ended with T'Challa escaping from his water wheel torture after battling Wind Eagle. But Wind Eagle is still waiting in the wings (uh, no pun intended). After that, T'Challa teamed up with Mr. Little to retrieve King Solomon's frogs. Meanwhile, in Wakanda, his half-brother Jakarra mutated himself with the help of Vibranium. T'Challa defeated him but got exposed to raw Vibranium in the explosion that gave him extra-sensory perception. He used his new powers to sense Khanata, a member of his family, was in danger from Kiber the Cruel. He got himself kidnapped, defeated Kiber, rescued everyone, and jokingly (?) annexed the island to Wakanda.
He then went to the Wakandan consulate in New York as part of an effort to reveal Wakanda to the world. He meets the Avengers and reveals to everyone that he actually doesn't have ESP despite clearly having ESP. He then fights the Thunderbolt gang and then Ulysses Klaw. Meanwhile, Monica Lynne and Kevin Trublood show up to the Wakandan consulate to try and track down T'Challa to find out what happened to him. Then Wind Eagle appears outside.
This is an issue of Marvel Premiere, so readers would have to have jumped from Black Panther #15 to this book to continue the story. Readers of Jungle Action hopefully found out about it or had been reading Black Panther's book as well. The story begins with union movers moving stuff to the consulate. Just then, T'Challa is attacked by Wind Eagle. Oddly enough, T'Challa doesn't remember Wind Eagle at all or his talk of the Reverend. When they capture him, T'Challa goes inside and it's clear he doesn't remember Monica Lynne either! Monica and Kevin Trublood say this means that the Dragon's Circle has gotten to him.
T'Challa asks Monica to tell him her story. She tells of a man she knew that came with her to the south and battled the Dragon's Circle and the Klan while investigating her sister's murder. It's basically a recap of the Jungle Action story. One thing I noticed is they claim that the people who captured T'Challa and put him on a burning cross were Dragon's Circle posing as Klansmen. I seem to recall no indication of this in the original story and I wonder if it was a deliberate retcon to soften the Klan's role in this story. During this time, T'Challa's memory came back. Interestingly enough, his memory only comes back to the extent someone wrote a comic of it. After that, it stops again.
Then Wind Eagle escapes again. T'Challa notices that his flying equipment is similar to that of the Falcon, which suggests the Dragon's Circle has infiltrated the Wakandan scientific community. This is a big change from McGregor's story but is a welcome one based on what's already there. His outfit does resemble Falcon's and it raises additional interesting story opportunities. Anyway, Wind Eagle seems to hesitate and not fight at full strength during his fight. Because of this, someone shoots at him from a window and kills him.
This issue is taken up significantly by the flashback, which was necessary to bring everyone up to speed. That being said, there are some intriguing moments added - albeit, to an already overly complicated story. T'Challa's memory loss is a new mystery with potential. The infiltration of Wakanda could also be interesting if a bit of a copy of Panther's Rage. The only thing I didn't really like is that they killed Wind Eagle, which felt like a total waste of a potentially good character.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3817722]
I don't think the idea of Ororo going to Wakanda is as unlikely as you might think. If Klawe was capable of going in, other people could be too. Or maybe one of her parents was a secret agent sent to infiltrate the world (obviously, it's pretty similar to N'Jadaka's story, though). Alternatively, you could have them meet in the modern day with the Avengers meeting the X-Men.
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Klaue got in because he was working with a Prince to infiltrate and get out.
Without N'jobobobobbobobo knowledge, dudes still in Wakandan prison right now at best.
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1. One of the high points of BP movie was the fact it was "progressive" in the sense you had an african kingdom, an purely honorable black king who was not a "noble negro" trope, woman empowerman, touched on colonialism and racism, ect.
To do that, and turn around and turn Nakia into a jilted evil jealous ex would be... incredibly jarring and stupid.
2. Movie Nakia to turn around and be an jilted evil ex makes no sense for this character. She is NOT obsessed with T'challa. She is anti-obsessed. She was perfectly willing to leave the dude, again, to help the world. She may love T'challa but he is priority number 2, at best. T'challa was more thirsty for Nakia than the other way around. Nakia ain't the one that froze lol.
3. Lupita is a very dark skinned, short "nappy" hair, African looking chick (yes I know she's part mexican). The fact she was the love interest in the movie is EMPOWERING to a lot of Black females.
If you dump her for Storm, who a lot of times is drawn with VERY white features, has long white girl hair most of the time... and has been played so far by two light skinned chicks.... you are sending a very weird message and potentially stepping on a hornets nest. You'd have to have VERY careful casting that stands on the fine line of making an "african" storm that also appeases the very idiotic and loud xfans. Good luck.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3817622]There's a simple question I think everyone is failing to ask:
In [I]the context of the MCU[/I], why would BP and Storm get together?
With Wakanda's canonical isolationism, it's highly unlikely T'Challa met Ororo in their youth, and "Because it happened in the comics" is not a viable answer.
(Especially with the movies driving the comics more and more, these days.)[/QUOTE]
It doesn't make any sense. Not only is movie nakia not comic nakia at all, but you have already played the "one that got away" card with Nakia. Can't do it again with Storm.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3816149]remember I said awhile ago maybe Coates knew something we didnt which is why he put ororo with tchalla. [/quote]
That information would have been WAY WAY WAY above his pay grade.
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- Avengers 4 or Eternals
- Something weird and comicy happens
- Wave goes through the earth
end movie
[B]first credit scene... [/B]
- X genes are activated
- we see a kids eyes turn red
- someone turns blue with a tail
- old white dude goes "i can hear them all" while holding his head.
- X-men logo pops up. crowd goes wild
[B]end credit scene[/B]
- people expecting BP tease
- we are in Wakanda
- we are in the royal bed
- t'challa layin in Nakia for some post coitus pillow talk
- Lupita says something about feeling a little different today
- She looks up at the camera, electricity sparks through her eyes
PLOT TWIST, NAKIA IS NOW STORM
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3817753]That information would have been WAY WAY WAY above his pay grade.[/QUOTE]
He is friends with Coogler, and they do have a working relationship. Not that it implies that either would or should have their medium reflected in the others eBen if they had the powet to ... but I would honestly be surprised if they didn't talk to each other at least casually about where they might at least want to take their mediums down the road.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3817780]- Avengers 4 or Eternals
- Something weird and comicy happens
- Wave goes through the earth
end movie
[B]first credit scene... [/B]
- X genes are activated
- we see a kids eyes turn red
- someone turns blue with a tail
- old white dude goes "i can hear them all" while holding his head.
- X-men logo pops up. crowd goes wild
[B]end credit scene[/B]
- people expecting BP tease
- we are in Wakanda
- we are in the royal bed
- t'challa layin in Nakia for some post coitus pillow talk
- Lupita says something about feeling a little different today
- She looks up at the camera, electricity sparks through her eyes
PLOT TWIST, NAKIA IS NOW STORM
[img]https://media.giphy.com/media/9xg1GNEiYfYrFMS5Kj/giphy.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
If they can turn Bucky into White Wolf, then I suppose there's no reason they can't turn Nakia into Storm.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3817804]He is friends with Coogler, and they do have a working relationship. Not that it implies that either would or should have their medium reflected in the others eBen if they had the powet to ... but I would honestly be surprised if they didn't talk to each other at least casually about where they might at least want to take their mediums down the road.[/QUOTE]
Merger is way beyond Coogler's pay grade too
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3817812]Merger is way beyond Coogler's pay grade too[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying otherwise ... merely saying Coates MIGHT have a general idea where Coogler would take things If he had his way. In other words, he wouldn't know if he could use Storm, but he might know if he had a desire to if she became available.
Of course this is all speculation.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3817804]He is friends with Coogler, and they do have a working relationship. Not that it implies that either would or should have their medium reflected in the others eBen if they had the powet to ... but I would honestly be surprised if they didn't talk to each other at least casually about where they might at least want to take their mediums down the road.[/QUOTE]
Ah, I can see it now. Coogler & Coates sit down for lunch:
TNC: Ryan, my brother! Congratulations on the movie! You brought my vision to life!
RC: Thanks, Ta-Nehisi, but I actually took more from McGregor, & Hud-.
TNC: The beads! The force push! The bird-like planes!
RC: Weren't they created by Bri-
TNC: Everybody loved it! And you even doubled down by keeping that misogynistic wannabe offscreen for most of the movie. Who needs kings, anyway?
RC: Uh, that's not why I...
TNC: Ya gotta go farther next time. Have the Dora revolt because every man in Wakanda is a rapist! Make Shuri into a sorceress with whatever powers we need! And then we can turn Nakia into a skinny Eartha Kitt-looking bitch and replace her with Storm!
RC: Actually, I wanted to do more with Nak-
TNC: We could call it STORM & THE BLACK PANTHER: THE GODDESS RISES. We'll make even [B]more[/B] money. Everybody knows the fans don't want to see Panther being "awesome, awesome, awesome" like that Priest guy wrote. What'd he know about writing comics, anyway?
RC: Check, please!
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3817780]- Avengers 4 or Eternals
- Something weird and comicy happens
- Wave goes through the earth
end movie
[B]first credit scene... [/B]
- X genes are activated
- we see a kids eyes turn red
- someone turns blue with a tail
- old white dude goes "i can hear them all" while holding his head.
- X-men logo pops up. crowd goes wild
[B]end credit scene[/B]
- people expecting BP tease
- we are in Wakanda
- we are in the royal bed
- t'challa layin in Nakia for some post coitus pillow talk
- Lupita says something about feeling a little different today
- She looks up at the camera, electricity sparks through her eyes
PLOT TWIST, NAKIA IS NOW STORM
[img]https://media.giphy.com/media/9xg1GNEiYfYrFMS5Kj/giphy.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
[B]And reveals to T'Challa that Nakia is the name her village gave her and her real name is actually ororo[/B]
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