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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;1593115]BTW, been working more on Wakandan fan-building...[/QUOTE]
You have a blog or is all this going to be posted here?
I do wish Marvel did attempt to settle bloodlines of their characters, but I guess given how different writers come and go it is usually up to fans to piece things together.
[URL="http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?193-Black-Panther-Appreciation-What-Giants-Do&p=1593168&viewfull=1#post1593168"]link reminder[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Bunai;1593245]You have a blog or is all this going to be posted here?
I do wish Marvel did attempt to settle bloodlines of their characters, but I guess given how different writers come and go it is usually up to fans to piece things together.
[URL="http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?193-Black-Panther-Appreciation-What-Giants-Do&p=1593168&viewfull=1#post1593168"]link reminder[/URL][/QUOTE]
I usually post it all here.
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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;1593168]--
Thoughts on the above?[/QUOTE]
Great wrk, you put a lot of work into that list mad respect... Very detailed and well broken down
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1592618]You will see me post a negative word about the Queen.
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Eh, how did that "destroying Atlantis" thing work out for Wakanda in the end?
If Namor shows up at Atlantis and its Proxima and Co that destroyed Atlantis, then I really doubt he would be in such a mood to send her to Wakanda and then later team up with them. But then again, then he would have never teamed up with the Cabal and the universe would have been exploded pre-Life raft.
But, Shuri may not have attacked Atlantis if she had all the information. Or she may have done it anyway and ran down to Necropolis to get beat up by Namor again.
Circular fictional arguments everywhere!
In the end, Shuri obviously forgave T'challa for all his grievances and was even willing to die (for some reason?) in the end so T'challa (the prodigal son) could live and save the universe(s)
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1592640]There's really no need for T'Challa to remain unmarried outside of writer/editorial whim.
Marriage hasn't done Luke and Jessica any harm. :)[/QUOTE]
I think it would be easy to find people who can't stand what Jessica "has done to Luke" and repeatedly call Luke "Luke Jones"
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1593853]Eh, how did that "destroying Atlantis" thing work out for Wakanda in the end?
If Namor shows up at Atlantis and its Proxima and Co that destroyed Atlantis, then I really doubt he would be in such a mood to send her to Wakanda and then later team up with them. But then again, then he would have never teamed up with the Cabal and the universe would have been exploded pre-Life raft.
But, Shuri may not have attacked Atlantis if she had all the information. Or she may have done it anyway and ran down to Necropolis to get beat up by Namor again.
Circular fictional arguments everywhere!
In the end, Shuri obviously forgave T'challa for all his grievances and was even willing to die (for some reason?) in the end so T'challa (the prodigal son) could live and save the universe(s)[/QUOTE]
I put the destruction of Atlantis squarely on Namor. Immediately after AVX was over he should have fone everything humanly possible to make reparations for what he did. He didnt and the war escalated.
About Luke and Jessica. I chalk it up to bad writing.The baby being surgically attached to Jessica's hip doesn't help
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1593880]I put the destruction of Atlantis squarely on Namor. Immediately after AVX was over he should have fone everything humanly possible to make reparations for what he did. He didnt and the war escalated.[/quote]
Unfornately for fictional wakanda/atlantis... Namor doesn't not apologize and Shuri is too much of a one note hard ass for that to happen lol
Having Namor apologize or make any sort of statement that he was "wrong" would be a worst Hickman characterization than anything people claim Hickman did to T'challa.
Hell, Namor going to Doom and silently begging for help was more "low" than anywhere T'challa got.
Man, I just started re-reading Deadliest of Species because someone brought up how much they liked it... I miss the T'challa/Namor relationship depicted in the first issue. Mutual, kingly respect
[quote]About Luke and Jessica. I chalk it up to bad writing.The baby being surgically attached to Jessica's hip doesn't help[/QUOTE]
I think the family stuff is great for Luke. I don't mind Jessica one bit.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1592949]Doom is always guaranteed to land on his feet no matter what.
The BP mythos gets reset to zero at the drop of a hat. (supporting cast be damned.)[/QUOTE]
[B]While that is true, the same type of consistency needs to be round for BP and Co. There are so many great supporting characters that either got killed off (Mayberry killing of what 3 of Bp's Supporting cast, 2 of which have been with BP since the 70s atleast) or they simply fade from existence. Thats why there needs to be a writer to come in and take in these characters and breathe new life into them, and Characters like Shuri, need to be forever solidified into the BP mythos. Then use QDJ, Okoye, and Vibraxas as some useful characters to be thrown into the Dora's (Hatute Zeraze (or Vibraxas) and use that as a way to give them a more useful role and characters to also bring out what it means to be apart of that order. [/B]
[QUOTE=MouserGrey;1592960]She has become more important to the mythos than Man-Ape. Certainly more marketable. Coates has a reason for not wanting to use Man-Ape. There are people who still use ape and monkey images to mock and parody people of African descent. Just Google images of Obama. And if those are indeed Doras flanking T'Challa in those preview images, I have high hopes Shuri will be back. That, of course, is just positive thinking on my part.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MouserGrey;1592966]Much too true.[/QUOTE]
[B]Eh i don't find that as a legitimate excuse at all. Priest used Man-Ape and people back then still had the same mindset, the difference though is that Priest made him formidable and not simply a character to be the butt of jokes, and if he was so concerned about the mockery that could be tied to him, then cut out Man-Ape and use his real name M'Baku and update his outfit to something of a more sleek (there was a picture i posted on here a ways back, i cant find it now) look while still showing the aspects of the white Gorilla. If Coates really wanted to use him, he could, AND show him as a enemy of power and not a joke to be made fun of.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1593880]I put the destruction of Atlantis squarely on Namor. Immediately after AVX was over he should have fone everything humanly possible to make reparations for what he did. He didnt and the war escalated.
About Luke and Jessica. I chalk it up to bad writing.The baby being surgically attached to Jessica's hip doesn't help[/QUOTE]
[B]Is jessica Jones an actual Character of her own? or was she kinda created so that Luke Cage could have someone to settle down with. The reason i ask is because she seems like such a basic non interesting, cookie cutter super hero Ex: Superhuman strength and durability, flight. just carbon copy generic hero.[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1593976][B]Is jessica Jones an actual Character of her own? or was she kinda created so that Luke Cage could have someone to settle down with. The reason i ask is because she seems like such a basic non interesting, cookie cutter super hero Ex: Superhuman strength and durability, flight. just carbon copy generic hero.[/B][/QUOTE]
Alias
she is anything but generic and cookie cutter
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1593906]Unfornately for fictional wakanda/atlantis... Namor doesn't not apologize and Shuri is too much of a one note hard ass for that to happen lol
Having Namor apologize or make any sort of statement that he was "wrong" would be a worst Hickman characterization than anything people claim Hickman did to T'challa.
Hell, Namor going to Doom and silently begging for help was more "low" than anywhere T'challa got.
Man, I just started re-reading Deadliest of Species because someone brought up how much they liked it... I miss the T'challa/Namor relationship depicted in the first issue. Mutual, kingly respect
I think the family stuff is great for Luke. I don't mind Jessica one bit.[/QUOTE]
He is a king, he is responsible for his people. His actions no matter whether he was possessed require him to make amends immediately if he is worthy of any crown.
I love Luke and Jess but more writers just put Jessica as the voice of dissent. They seem more like a couple who would just jokingly slay each other verbally. A fun couple. They are rarely presented as such.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1593976][B]Is jessica Jones an actual Character of her own? or was she kinda created so that Luke Cage could have someone to settle down with. The reason i ask is because she seems like such a basic non interesting, cookie cutter super hero Ex: Superhuman strength and durability, flight. just carbon copy generic hero.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, the only thing generic about her is her powers. A full and rich character, but thats in Bendis hands. Its my complaint about writers and marriage. They think they shouldnt write a couple as fun. Marriage can be a great source of comedy.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1593880]I put the destruction of Atlantis squarely on Namor. Immediately after AVX was over he should have fone everything humanly possible to make reparations for what he did. He didnt and the war escalated.
About Luke and Jessica. I chalk it up to bad writing.The baby being surgically attached to Jessica's hip doesn't help[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say it's squarely on Namor.
He did offer a peace treaty with "favorable" terms which T'Challa found acceptable. Shuri at that point could have chosen to accept the terms sparring both their kingdoms destruction.
I can't entirely fault her for what she did. Nonetheless she chose war over peace and her people paid for it. She's the ruler and that's on her.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1593976][B]Is jessica Jones an actual Character of her own? or was she kinda created so that Luke Cage could have someone to settle down with. The reason i ask is because she seems like such a basic non interesting, cookie cutter super hero Ex: Superhuman strength and durability, flight. just carbon copy generic hero.[/B][/QUOTE]
If I understand it correctly Jessica Jones was created because Marvel wasn't on board with Bendis using one of their Female heroes to tell his story in Alias. So he created her, but it was originally supposed to be Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew)
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1593976][B]Is jessica Jones an actual Character of her own? or was she kinda created so that Luke Cage could have someone to settle down with. The reason i ask is because she seems like such a basic non interesting, cookie cutter super hero Ex: Superhuman strength and durability, flight. just carbon copy generic hero.[/B][/QUOTE]
The thing a out Jessica is that she's not designed to be a super hero. She's designed to be an ex - super hero. So her powers never really mattered much.
I don't she was created just for Cage to have someone to be with... she's got her own story to tell as seen in Alias and Net Flicks. But I do think Bendis had a Luke and Jessica end game.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1594018]He is a king, he is responsible for his people. His actions no matter whether he was possessed require him to make amends immediately if he is worthy of any crown.
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Yes, of course. It would also be out of character.
Namor going to Doom and begging only happened after he was truly broken for realizing what he got himself into.
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i hope we see the deadliest of the species kinda relationship again. it's how two kings should be like.
neither kingdoms i volved with each other but they kept an eye out for current events which may affect their kingdoms
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1593976][B]Is jessica Jones an actual Character of her own? or was she kinda created so that Luke Cage could have someone to settle down with. The reason i ask is because she seems like such a basic non interesting, cookie cutter super hero Ex: Superhuman strength and durability, flight. just carbon copy generic hero.[/B][/QUOTE]
WOW!! You really need to read Alias! And her upcoming netflix series looks like it's going to be fantastic.
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Randomly ran into this scan I completely forgot about during NA
[img]https://retconpunchdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/are-we-monsters-or-are-we-devo.jpg[/img]
I feel like T'challa "passed" the question of humanity while Namor went primal
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1593976][B]Is jessica Jones an actual Character of her own? or was she kinda created so that Luke Cage could have someone to settle down with. The reason i ask is because she seems like such a basic non interesting, cookie cutter super hero Ex: Superhuman strength and durability, flight. just carbon copy generic hero.[/B][/QUOTE]
She was much more independent... and interesting... in Alias imo. It was a very good series. From what i remember, Cage wasn't even much of a regular except here and there. It was a good dynamic between Jessica Jones and Carol Danvers tho, and this kinda dry, a-hole personality she exuded was fun.
But the surprise pregnancy at the end and Cage becoming madly in love or whatever... and then how things occurred in New Avengers where it was largely baby this, baby that, where's the baby, save the baby, how are we going to raise this baby... personally not my cup of tea, but we all differ. I'd have preferred if she had grown into a prominent private investigator, used that skill set to help the New (street lvl type) Avengers; in which she'd be tied to the team b/c of an organic romantic relationship with Cage (to be cultivated... before any babies or weddings) + a renewed sense of wanting to make a difference. And later, teamups with Misty, Colleen, Murdock, etc. But oh well. The netflix show seems like it'll do a solid job in payin homage to Alias tho.
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[url]http://www.newsarama.com/26688-the-ultimates-get-pretty-damn-cosmic-in-new-ongoing.html[/url]
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[QUOTE][CENTER][B]The Wakandan Royal Family: Duties and Roles[/B][/CENTER]
Due to their usually limited numbers and opportunities to one day rule and serve Wakanda, the princes and princesses of the royal family are often entrusted with various responsibilities as related to the administration of the country. Traditionally, many are likely to find themselves involved in the various diplomatic, military or scientific branches of government, overseeing vibranium mining operations or overseeing mediations between quarrelling tribes. With the entrance of Wakanda on the world stage, these duties have only expanded in scope and variety, making it far less likely that a Wakandan government can be solely staffed by princes.
However, there yet remain a variety of critical roles upheld by royalty, or perhaps not so critical...
[B]
Ambassador to the United Nations [/B]- A representative for Wakanda's international efforts, they command a large voice due to the significance of Wakanda's contributions.
[LIST][*]During T'Challa's reign: his paternal cousin T'Shan[/LIST]
[B]Ambassador to North America [/B]- A representative for Wakandan's relations in North America, they command a sizable voice owing to American interests in Africa.
[LIST][*]During T'Challa's reign: his paternal cousin B'Tumba, then his paternal cousin M'Koni, and finally Moise Bomvana[/LIST]
[B]Headmaster/Headmistress to the Wakandan School For Alternative Studies [/B]
[LIST][*]During T'Challa's reign: his maternal cousin Zuni, later his sister Shuri[/LIST]
[B]Prince Regent of Wakanda [/B]- Comparable to a Vice President elsewhere, the role is usually offered to a trustworthy member of the royal family.
[LIST][*]During T'Chaka's reign: his brother S'Yan.[*]During S'Yan's reign: his adopted nephew Hunter.[*]During T'Challa's reign: his uncle N'Baza, before being given to a non-royal in N'Gassi and then his sister Shuri[/LIST]
[B]Representative to the Wakandan Design Group [/B]- Carries the royal veto and vote regarding company decisions and the monarch's usual financial advisor.
[LIST][*]During T'Challa's reign: his maternal cousins Khanata & Ishanta.[/LIST]
[B]Second Guardian of the Great Mound [/B]- Involved in vibranium mining and research, and the monarch's usual scientific advisor.
[LIST][*]During T'Chaka's reign: his brother N'Baza.[*]During S'Yan's reign: his brother N'Baza.[*]During T'Challa's reign: his maternal cousin Itobo. [/LIST][/QUOTE]
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There, a little less forum-breaking. Just some of the roles princes might hope to occupy in a Wakandan government.
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Didnt know BLue Marvel laid into Tchalla in Ewings second MA volume.
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[QUOTE=Moose100;1594436][url]http://www.newsarama.com/26688-the-ultimates-get-pretty-damn-cosmic-in-new-ongoing.html[/url][/QUOTE]
BP quotes...
[QUOTE]We've put our own twist on it, as you'll see in The Ultimates #1 - it ties into some of the other “All-New All-Different” titles in ways that might tickle fans of Captain Marvel and Black Panther[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Black Panther provided superpower of a different kind - he's the most politically powerful hero in the MU, and I was interested in how he might eventually bounce off Adam, especially after I had Adam get a little fractious with T'Challa in Mighty Avengers. They start off on good terms in the book, but their differences are bubbling under the surface.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Moose100;1594513]Didnt know BLue Marvel laid into Tchalla in Ewings second MA volume.[/QUOTE]
It was the TRO tie ins
I don't remember T'challa really giving two poops but I could be wrong
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1594525]It was the TRO tie ins
I don't remember T'challa really giving two poops but I could be wrong[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Monica and Adam tried laying it into T'Challa and Reed and T'Challa basically shrugged it off and walked away. It'll be interesting to see if there's any sort of residual tension in the air now that they're teammates.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1594525]It was the TRO tie ins
I don't remember T'challa really giving two poops but I could be wrong[/QUOTE]
I can dig it.
Also here's an interesting article from BC.
[url]http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/11/09/dont-call-it-a-reboot-but-what-were-the-seven-iterations-of-the-marvel-universe-before-this-one/[/url]
Figured it's ok since BP will be involved with these developments.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1594035]I wouldn't say it's squarely on Namor.
[B]He did offer a peace treaty with "favorable" terms [SIZE=4]which T'Challa found acceptable[/SIZE][/B]. [/QUOTE]
Really?
I don't see T'Challa accepting Namor's terms (favourable or otherwise) anywhere in the scans below.....
[IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/2daxf04.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i68.tinypic.com/n12dxl.jpg[/IMG]
What I see is T'Challa clearly stating that he'd refuse Namor's terms as well.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1594551]Yeah. Monica and Adam tried laying it into T'Challa and Reed and T'Challa basically shrugged it off and walked away. It'll be interesting to see if there's any sort of residual tension in the air now that they're teammates.[/QUOTE]
It would definitely lead to some interesting conversations. Ewing has already teased that they conversations between T'Challa and Adam will be epic
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1594684]It would definitely lead to some interesting conversations. Ewing has already teased that they conversations between T'Challa and Adam will be epic[/QUOTE]
I know Ewing will come correct.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1594807]I know Ewing will come correct.[/QUOTE]
Only 2 days to go. Im pumped up for it
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1594812]Only 2 days to go. Im pumped up for it[/QUOTE]
Time flew by so quickly. Crazy to think about.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1594820]Time flew by so quickly. Crazy to think about.[/QUOTE]
True.
I gotta take my hat off to you for all the stellar work you've put into the T'Challa & Ororo Appreciation thread.
You're definitely doing the damn thing.
Keep up the good work. :)
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Been thinking more about Black Panther mini-series that could be done, in reference to the satellite book concept I mentioned previously.
I think it was Kelly Su Deconnick who did the Captain Marvel/vibranium bit a while back, but I've always been interested in the origins of vibranium (being a meteor as it were) and one of Hickman's early good touches in his Illuminati run was the tease towards a Wakandan space program. This I think, would be a good satellite concept to do: A Wakandan space-exploration mission, primarily intent on discovering the origins of vibranium (or at least, more vibranium meteors as those that landed in Wakanda and the Savage Land). You could grab one or two canon characters to fill out the team (Gentle and Vibraxxas maybe?), and then create some original characters to fill out the team. Send them on out, have them do stops at Attilan, then further out into space you could cameo guys like the Guardians and Nova Corps...
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1594577]Really?
I don't see T'Challa accepting Namor's terms (favourable or otherwise) anywhere in the scans below.....
[IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/2daxf04.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i68.tinypic.com/n12dxl.jpg[/IMG]
What I see is T'Challa clearly stating that he'd refuse Namor's terms as well.[/QUOTE]
God, i wish they did a follow up to that. Who were the vermin planning The Queen downfall.
Damn. Marvel really dropped the ball with not doing one mini on the Namor-BP conflict.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1595547]God, i wish they did a follow up to that. Who were the vermin planning The Queen downfall.
Damn. Marvel really dropped the ball with not doing one mini on the Namor-BP conflict.[/QUOTE]
Very very true. Lots of good stuff going on at the on-set with that conflict. Lots of political intrigue in there, which I like a lot. Could've been a "Sturm Und Drang" type of story too.
Also curious on who wanted Shuri out of the throne, and for what specific reasons as well. Looks like she may have been ruffling feathers here and there.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1594823]True.
I gotta take my hat off to you for all the stellar work you've put into the T'Challa & Ororo Appreciation thread.
You're definitely doing the damn thing.
Keep up the good work. :)[/QUOTE]
Much respect Maj. There's a surprisingly high amount of material out there of T'Challa and Ororo online. Might as well share it in that thread.
Their coupling is probably be more popular than a lot of us may think.
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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;1595280]Been thinking more about Black Panther mini-series that could be done, in reference to the satellite book concept I mentioned previously.
I think it was Kelly Su Deconnick who did the Captain Marvel/vibranium bit a while back, but I've always been interested in the origins of vibranium (being a meteor as it were) and one of Hickman's early good touches in his Illuminati run was the tease towards a Wakandan space program. This I think, would be a good satellite concept to do: A Wakandan space-exploration mission, primarily intent on discovering the origins of vibranium (or at least, more vibranium meteors as those that landed in Wakanda and the Savage Land). You could grab one or two canon characters to fill out the team (Gentle and Vibraxxas maybe?), and then create some original characters to fill out the team. Send them on out, have them do stops at Attilan, then further out into space you could cameo guys like the Guardians and Nova Corps...[/QUOTE]
That book might sell 10 copies a month haha :D
Getting more Wakanda space stuff in Ultimates as well
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WOW!!! This is amazing!!
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[QUOTE=Greg;1595955][img]http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/158/428/original/ULTMTS2015002002s_proof.jpg?1446836915[/img]
WOW!!! This is amazing!![/QUOTE]
Just one more day!