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[QUOTE=Cville;3514563]The biggest problem with Hickman was as someone else said BP and the team were acting stupid. When its the end of the world, the whole of Wakanda Design Group and Stark Inc. should have been part of it. Doom didn't have a problem with using groups of scientist. He shouldn't have volunteered Wakanda as the headquarters when someone on the team can make portals to other dimensions. Even Pym did that when he was leading Mighty Avengers.[/QUOTE]
"Earths are being destroyed across multiple timelines!"
"Maybe we should investigate? See what Kang's up to? I mean, this is obviously an attack, and to stop it, we'd need to know who launched it."
"Hell no. Lets just blow up other earths. It's a stop gap measure, but that's where the angst is at!"
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Yeah keeping all of this a secret for so long was very stupid on their part. Other people could have maybe helped, but by then it was too late.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3514574]"Earths are being destroyed across multiple timelines!"
"Maybe we should investigate? See what Kang's up to? I mean, this is obviously an attack, and to stop it, we'd need to know who launched it."
"Hell no. Lets just blow up other earths. It's a stop gap measure, but that's where the angst is at!"[/QUOTE]
There's s logic to that though. The incursions put them on the clock. They can't find out who is responsible if they are killed by an incursion.
Soon had the luxury of focusing on the problem because the Illuminati and Cabal bought him time to do so. Had the incursions not beef prevented Doom would have died and that would be that.
Different people had different focus. Val focused on not losing ... it the life rafts. The Illuminati focused on the immediate problem of the incursions till the Cabal took the role. And of course Doom got to the source of the problem. All of the above were important.
That said ... after stopping the Great Society incursion the Illuminati didn't accomplish too much. Strange got more done on his own for example.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3514596]There's s logic to that though. The incursions put them on the clock. They can't find out who is responsible if they are killed by an incursion.
Soon had the luxury of focusing on the problem because the Illuminati and Cabal bought him time to do so. Had the incursions not beef prevented Doom would have died and that would be that.
Different people had different focus. Val focused on not losing ... it the life rafts. The Illuminati focused on the immediate problem of the incursions till the Cabal took the role. And of course Doom got to the source of the problem. All of the above were important.
That said ... after stopping the Great Society incursion the Illuminati didn't accomplish too much. Strange got more done on his own for example.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that the incursions weren't happening back to back, and that the Illuminati were n't Spider-Man. Any one of them could have devoted themselves to investigating the cause, without raising much suspicion.
And that's ignoring the fact that most of the members could have recruited some friends to help out.
The story went angst, blow up planet, angst, blow up planet, angst, angst...crap, we need to wrap this up!
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and now youtube uploads milking BP has officially jumped the shark
[video=youtube;9KXrviM6k2A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KXrviM6k2A[/video]
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[QUOTE=phumgano;3514034][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/XWSy5rj.jpg?1[/IMG]
"A new character, how exciting. An ex-lover from the part of T'challa's part of his life that hasn't been deeply explored, I hope she reveals something interesting about Wakanda and BP. So far all the new characters have been self inserts for the writer because they needed a way to talk **** about T'challa, hopefully this goes in a different direction."
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/rEzJHAZ.jpg?1[/IMG]
Oh...Nevermind.[/QUOTE]
The writer clean it up a lil bit regards to his exs reaction/feelonh to BP.. She was tryin to make his ex lokeable hard nose young woman but in all honesty made her come off as sad & bitter till she got her ish together at the end of the issue.. The ex & the mute zone tribe have potential in hands of better writer like Evan..
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The central prob with JHick BP imo that simply put he was never going to prioritize BP in long haul over his other favs (Doom, Reed & Namor) regardless if the story called for it or not logically. Now he'd put him over Steve O, Tony boy & etc. But not the characters he loves more..
He wrote BP in character half of time & out of character the other half & used his plot as excuse... ( BP wasn't the only one he did this to but this a BP thread so yeah)
He gave keys moments to his Tru favs ( Reed & Doom) that should went to BP.. Such as Reed leading/making the plans wen the Avengers battle the NA - that wasn't a big wtf & Reed interrogating Black Swan in one those early issues.. Doom randomly figuring out what to do because of reasons & Doom truely killing Namor..
Mix that end with JHick lazyness ( off panal fights, off panel wars, last min powers, a repetitive arc of alternative universe Illuminatis dieing just to say hey readers if we would brought that other characters into the loop nothing would change lol) Then saying ok next let some of those characters on to the team only to have those new member all taken out either in the issue they joined in or that issue right after..
Like most writers J.Hick had a hierarchy of who's was important to him..
Doom
Reed
BP
Strange
Namor
Then pretty much everything else..
All he truly had to do was prioritize BP/Wakanda at The logical moments but you couldn't even do that times because of his love of Doom & Reed..
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[QUOTE=4sake Baned;3514653]The central prob with JHick BP imo that simply put he was never going to prioritize BP in long haul over his other favs (Doom, Reed & Namor) regardless if the story called for it or not logically. Now he'd put him over Steve O, Tony boy & etc. But not the characters he loves more..
He wrote BP in character half of time & out of character the other half & used his plot as excuse... ( BP wasn't the only one he did this to but this a BP thread so yeah)
He gave keys moments to his Tru favs ( Reed & Doom) that should went to BP.. Such as Reed leading/making the plans wen the Avengers battle the NA - that wasn't a big wtf & Reed interrogating Black Swan in one those early issues.. Doom randomly figuring out what to do because of reasons & Doom truely killing Namor..
Mix that end with JHick lazyness ( off panal fights, off panel wars, last min powers, a repetitive arc of alternative universe Illuminatis dieing just to say hey readers if we would brought that other characters into the loop nothing would change lol) Then saying ok next let some of those characters on to the team only to have those new member all taken out either in the issue they joined in or that issue right after..
Like most writers J.Hick had a hierarchy of who's was important to him..
Doom
Reed
BP
Strange
Namor
Then pretty much everything else..
All he truly had to do was prioritize BP/Wakanda at The logical moments but you couldn't even do that times because of his love of Doom & Reed..[/QUOTE]
This, pretty much.
Hickman is like Bendis in that he'll get an idea that he has little to no idea how to fully execute. He has a beginning and an end, but struggles in the middle.
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[QUOTE=4sake Baned;3514653]The central prob with JHick BP imo that simply put he was never going to prioritize BP in long haul over his other favs (Doom, Reed & Namor) regardless if the story called for it or not logically. Now he'd put him over Steve O, Tony boy & etc. But not the characters he loves more..
He wrote BP in character half of time & out of character the other half & used his plot as excuse... ( BP wasn't the only one he did this to but this a BP thread so yeah)
He gave keys moments to his Tru favs ( Reed & Doom) that should went to BP.. Such as Reed leading/making the plans wen the Avengers battle the NA - that wasn't a big wtf & Reed interrogating Black Swan in one those early issues.. Doom randomly figuring out what to do because of reasons & Doom truely killing Namor..
Mix that end with JHick lazyness ( off panal fights, off panel wars, last min powers, a repetitive arc of alternative universe Illuminatis dieing just to say hey readers if we would brought that other characters into the loop nothing would change lol) Then saying ok next let some of those characters on to the team only to have those new member all taken out either in the issue they joined in or that issue right after..
Like most writers J.Hick had a hierarchy of who's was important to him..
Doom
Reed
BP
Strange
Namor
Then pretty much everything else..
All he truly had to do was prioritize BP/Wakanda at The logical moments but you couldn't even do that times because of his love of Doom & Reed..[/QUOTE]
Doom figuring out what to do before everyone isn't random though. Because of the first secret wars he has greater familiarity with the Molecule Man and the Beyonders power from the first Secret Wars than pretty much anyone else.
I think it would frankly be more random if someone figured it out before Doom.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;3514134]which one do we prefer?
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ZNgGXkr.jpg[/IMG]
this one:
[IMG]http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/chadwick-boseman-as-black-panther.jpg[/IMG]
or this one:
[IMG]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/7/71/Black_Panther_EW_Promo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170713182228[/IMG][/QUOTE]
The civil war helmet with the solo movie body. Although civil war suit makes T’Challa look huge
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[QUOTE=4sake Baned;3514653]The central prob with JHick BP imo that simply put he was never going to prioritize BP in long haul over his other favs (Doom, Reed & Namor) regardless if the story called for it or not logically. Now he'd put him over Steve O, Tony boy & etc. But not the characters he loves more..
He wrote BP in character half of time & out of character the other half & used his plot as excuse... ( BP wasn't the only one he did this to but this a BP thread so yeah)
He gave keys moments to his Tru favs ( Reed & Doom) that should went to BP.. Such as Reed leading/making the plans wen the Avengers battle the NA - that wasn't a big wtf & Reed interrogating Black Swan in one those early issues.. Doom randomly figuring out what to do because of reasons & Doom truely killing Namor..
Mix that end with JHick lazyness ( off panal fights, off panel wars, last min powers, a repetitive arc of alternative universe Illuminatis dieing just to say hey readers if we would brought that other characters into the loop nothing would change lol) Then saying ok next let some of those characters on to the team only to have those new member all taken out either in the issue they joined in or that issue right after..
Like most writers J.Hick had a hierarchy of who's was important to him..
Doom
Reed
BP
Strange
Namor
Then pretty much everything else..
All he truly had to do was prioritize BP/Wakanda at The logical moments but you couldn't even do that times because of his love of Doom & Reed..[/QUOTE]
You do realize that ANY other writer in the marvels events history hasn't made Panther even top 8. Reed was clearly the star followed by Doom and Panther evenly.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3514952]You do realize that ANY other writer in the marvels events history hasn't made Panther even top 8. Reed was clearly the star followed by Doom and Panther evenly.[/QUOTE]
Though I do think it's fair to argue Reed and Doom in the last third of the event, I think it's still pretty cool that BP got as much spotlight as he did. For a big company wide event like that, it's kind of a big deal.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3514952]You do realize that ANY other writer in the marvels events history hasn't made Panther even top 8. Reed was clearly the star followed by Doom and Panther evenly.[/QUOTE]
Secret Wars was set up as a continuation of Hickman's Fantastic Four. IIRC, Marvel came up with this directive at one of their summits that once Bendis announced that he was leaving his Avengers title, everyone had to change from the title they were working on. Fraction was switched from Iron Man to Fantastic Four, Hickman took the Avengers titles and so on. Once Hickman got into his run he made the Fantastic Four cast dominate New Avengers by bringing back the Illluminati and having Black Panther play a bigger role after initially refusing. Initially, it didn't look like Doom would be a major player in the Incursions arc until fairly late into the run. Eventually Doom became both savior and villain of the piece and as a homage to the original Secret Wars, he was the only one that kept focused on the goal and succeeded. It's kind of a shame that the MCU by virtue introducing BP in the movies that it takes away from the fact that it was the Fantastic Four comic is where his character was given birth. He was a supporting player in the scheme of things in relation to the Fantastic Four. It probably will take years for the FF (and Doom) to appear in the MCU and it will more than likely be without the fanfare and honor of being first that they deserve. You have no sour grapes on your plate....you have a movie that has made close to a billion dollars and now millions of fans. Enjoy and embrace it.
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[QUOTE=Chessboxer;3514304]Yeah, not to mention Hickman actually gave T'Challa new powers (King of The Dead/Teleportation/forcefield). He had T'Challa spearheading the Wakandan space program. I mean damn, he even had T'Challa wield the infinity gauntlet (and competently no less), tactically outsmarting Doom. He was even portrayed on even footing with Reed Richards in terms of intelligence (eg. co creating the antimatter bombs etc).
T'Challa was such a bad ass under Hickman (in my opinion)[/QUOTE]
[B]Ewing in his Ultimates following SW had Tchalla:
Outsmart and help cure Galactus
Fried Thanos Brain using remnants of the cell holding him
Had his habit stripped from him by a psy tech user and took down her armor in a single blow to disrupt her telepathic connection
Battled, defeated and took the tiger gods power
Used said tiger gods power to help defeat logos.
Imo Ewing did More
I would of said Tchalla restored 616 (he did) but Tom brevoort in an interview takes that feat from him and simply said he went back in time[/B]
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[QUOTE=Iron Maiden;3515017]Secret Wars was set up as a continuation of Hickman's Fantastic Four. IIRC, Marvel came up with this directive at one of their summits that once Bendis announced that he was leaving his Avengers title, everyone had to change from the title they were working on. Fraction was switched from Iron Man to Fantastic Four, Hickman took the Avengers titles and so on. Once Hickman got into his run he made the Fantastic Four cast dominate New Avengers by bringing back the Illluminati and having Black Panther play a bigger role after initially refusing. Initially, it didn't look like Doom would be a major player in the Incursions arc until fairly late into the run. Eventually Doom became both savior and villain of the piece and as a homage to the original Secret Wars, he was the only one that kept focused on the goal and succeeded. It's kind of a shame that the MCU by virtue introducing BP in the movies that it takes away from the fact that it was the Fantastic Four comic is where his character was given birth. He was a supporting player in the scheme of things in relation to the Fantastic Four. It probably will take years for the FF (and Doom) to appear in the MCU and it will more than likely be without the fanfare and honor of being first that they deserve. You have no sour grapes on your plate....you have a movie that has made close to a billion dollars and now millions of fans. Enjoy and embrace it.[/QUOTE]
[B] BP has hit the billion mark WW :cool:[/B]