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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;1139161]The heroes didn't do much as whole but I loved the part that Emma tried to get into his head but couldn't and he wrote him like a good leader.[/QUOTE]
The thing I liked about Original Sin (honestly maybe the only thing I liked) was that T'Challa's group was made up of very different characters who don't regularly interact. Pairing Strange with Punisher and T'Challa with Emma made for some interesting interaction.
If Fury had gotten his wish and that group had become a team watching over the wall instead of just Winter Soldier, I'd be on board. It was a fun group.
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[QUOTE=Sonik;1139115]I'm pretty ambivalent about storm in general, but never cared for marriage in general just because storm is major player in another franchise , beholden to their own office if I recall correctly. Which I would assume made it really hard to integrate BP's mythos into the x-men's or coordinate stories between offices. which would explain why Storm never used her position or influence to help the x-men if not financially then by providing protection. Either by stationing wakandan guards where ever they are or just building at shelter in wakanda sort of like
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That's the double edged sword of factoring T'Challa into X-Men stories. On one hand it made perfect sense. He had the resources to do a lot. On the other hand, if you're an X-Men writer you don't necessarily want T'Challa there making things easier. You want things difficult.... that's where the actual stories come from.
It's like all the complaints about why doesn't Captain America do more for mutants. Short answer... because the X-Men writers don't want Captain America to do more. They want the government and the public to hate mutants. The X-writers usually won't want Captain America or Black Panther or anyone else for that matter to help because they want things to suck for mutants, and they want to show the X-Men in their own book dealing with it. Just as Captain America or Black Panther will normally deal with his problems with out the X-Men helping him.
But because Black Panther and Storm were married, some people were expecting it anyways. And that was the downside of the marriage I suppose. It forced that sort of situation because it created that expectation. Which again is why logistically it's usually a better idea to just pair up characters that aren't being used independently in different franchises.
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;1138971]I agree, Storm didn't add anything to him as a character and was just awkward in some stories (The Jason Aaron arc)
I actually think he's more interesting without the romance thing. The only BP writer that did that well was Mcgregor in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
EVERY solo character needs a buddy and a love interest, whether it be Superman ( Lois Lane/Jimmy Olsen) or Daredevil ( Foggy Nelson/Karen Page) or Wonder Woman ( Etta Candy/Steve Trevor). The only exception is Batman because his buddies ( the Robins) become way more important than any of Bats' law abiding love interests.
If anything the love interest and buddy are more important than the extended supporting cast just because those are the characters that help drive the storyline and the audience is invested in them.
Ngassi and Syan serve the exact same purpose in B.P. stories. A story where Monica Lynn is B.P.s love interest is going to go down a different way than one where storm is the L.I.
The only real difference between W'Kabi and Taku is that one of them is canonically Gay. But Ross actually adds something to BP stories as an audience surrogate/designated wise ass.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1139184]I'm sure the movie will have some sort of love interest in it.... probably some variation of Monica Lynn (though similar to Jane Foster in the Thor movie they'll probably just use the name on an essentially brand new character). And IF T'Challa gets an on-going (and I'm assuming he will), they'll probably have Lynn show up again.
Honestly I think it USUALLY works better when the love interest isn't another existing super hero. When it's a character created from the ground up to be that characters love interest rather than an existing hero someone decided to pair them with. Reed and Sue are super heroes, but that was a case where they were essentially created to be a couple from day one.
If you look at say Storm versus say Mary Jane. Hudlin decided Storm works with T'Challa... Aaron decided he liked Storm with Wolverine. But it's VERY VERY unlikely that anyone will decide that Mary Jane will start dating Wolverine (even though he does seem to like Red Heads) because she's such an integrated character to the Spider-Man mythos.
That could even apply to a lesser used character like Spectrum. I've heard in passing some suggest she would be a good fit for T'Challa. Spectrum at one point dated Voodoo, and there's potentially a thing with Blue Marvel. She'll likely end up with whoever the NEXT writer things she might fit well with. But that's not gonna happen with Monica Lynn. That's a Black Panther character.[/QUOTE]
I am going to pull out the chocolate card on this one because its tasty. I think the one thing that the Storm pairing showed is that there is a great desire for Black Hero Couple. I just see BP with a warrior woman more than a lounge singer but thats just me:) Multiple love interest is cool because Black character usually dont get those either. If I was fanfic shipping I would love to see Josiah X and Shuri coupling.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1139251]I am going to pull out the chocolate card on this one because its tasty. I think the one thing that the Storm pairing showed is that there is a great desire for Black Hero Couple. I just see BP with a warrior woman more than a lounge singer but thats just me:) Multiple love interest is cool because Black character usually dont get those either. If I was fanfic shipping I would love to see Josiah X and Shuri coupling.[/QUOTE]
I imagine that's the sort of discussion going on in the DC boards these days... should Superman be with Wonder Woman or Lois Lane. Superman and Wonder Woman for a lot of comic book readers I'm sure was a fanfic that came to life. And I suspect that in part may have been the reason for Black Panther and Storm being paired (though they do have real history behind them apart from that via Claremont back in the day).
I think it's fun to play with... but I don't think Superman and Wonder Woman will last the way Storm and Black Panther didn't last. And I think if they just paired Black Panther with another super hero we'd get the same end result.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;1139241]EVERY solo character needs a buddy and a love interest, whether it be Superman ( Lois Lane/Jimmy Olsen) or Daredevil ( Foggy Nelson/Karen Page) or Wonder Woman ( Etta Candy/Steve Trevor). The only exception is Batman because his buddies ( the Robins) become way more important than any of Bats' law abiding love interests.
If anything the love interest and buddy are more important than the extended supporting cast just because those are the characters that help drive the storyline and the audience is invested in them.
Ngassi and Syan serve the exact same purpose in B.P. stories. A story where Monica Lynn is B.P.s love interest is going to go down a different way than one where storm is the L.I.
The only real difference between W'Kabi and Taku is that one of them is canonically Gay. But Ross actually adds something to BP stories as an audience surrogate/designated wise ass.[/QUOTE]
I'd bet money the Black Panther movie will have both Ross (buddy) and Monica Lynn (love interest).
And I think those elements are potentially even more important for a character like BLack Panther, who similar to Batman has a certain mystique and mystery about him. I think you want other POV characters operating at least for the earlier portions of the story, to help retain that air of mystery and danger. Because at a certain point T'Challa will need to become the POV character and you sort of lose that. as he no longer becomes a mystery once they inevitably start framing the story through his eyes.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1139320]I imagine that's the sort of discussion going on in the DC boards these days... should Superman be with Wonder Woman or Lois Lane. Superman and Wonder Woman for a lot of comic book readers I'm sure was a fanfic that came to life. And I suspect that in part may have been the reason for Black Panther and Storm being paired (though they do have real history behind them apart from that via Claremont back in the day).
I think it's fun to play with... but I don't think Superman and Wonder Woman will last the way Storm and Black Panther didn't last. And I think if they just paired Black Panther with another super hero we'd get the same end result.[/QUOTE]
Well Storm and WW have their own seperate masters. You can see the conflict, but if you wanted to use a much lesser known hero, I dont think you would have that difficulty.Lets say you wanted to hook up Anole with Cullen Bloodstone, you wont have that resistance. If Marvel wanted to hook TChalla with someone obscure like Sister Voodoo, I dont see the problem.
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I like the idea of Monica Lynne.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1139337]I'd bet money the Black Panther movie will have both Ross (buddy) and Monica Lynn (love interest).
And I think those elements are potentially even more important for a character like BLack Panther, who similar to Batman has a certain mystique and mystery about him. I think you want other POV characters operating at least for the earlier portions of the story, to help retain that air of mystery and danger. Because at a certain point T'Challa will need to become the POV character and you sort of lose that. as he no longer becomes a mystery once they inevitably start framing the story through his eyes.[/QUOTE]
I really hope they don't include Ross as I don't think he's needed. But if they do need a Ross, they should just use Coulson, imo. Established face in the MCU, capable - but would still be out of his league in Black Panther's world - and Clark Gregg is great.
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[QUOTE=robreedwrites;1139455]I really hope they don't include Ross as I don't think he's needed. But if they do need a Ross, they should just use Coulson, imo. Established face in the MCU, capable - but would still be out of his league in Black Panther's world - and Clark Gregg is great.[/QUOTE]
Clark would work well enough functionally but honestly I think he's evolved past the point of being another characters side kick/buddy. Plus Ross plain and simple is a Black Panther character so you avoid the issue of the character needing to serve different masters.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1139577]Clark would work well enough functionally but honestly I think he's evolved past the point of being another characters side kick/buddy. Plus Ross plain and simple is a Black Panther character so you avoid the issue of the character needing to serve different masters.[/QUOTE]
I also don't want Agents of SHIELD's baggage in Black Panther.
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[QUOTE=robreedwrites;1139455]I really hope they don't include Ross as I don't think he's needed. But if they do need a Ross, they should just use Coulson, imo. Established face in the MCU, capable - but would still be out of his league in Black Panther's world - and Clark Gregg is great.[/QUOTE]
AoS isn't a very good show, however.
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The problem with Monica Lynn is that although Marvel Studios under the Disney umbrella is a separate entity it is still much a part of the Hollywood mainstream hiring the same type of professionals with the same types of thought patterns!
With that said it is possible that they cast Beyonce, Rihanna or some up and coming RnB singer thinking that they are serving the black vote when in fact they are destroying what could be an epic politically based film!
The Black Panther movie is a first of it's kind and although each writer meant well at the time of their particular writing duties that does not mean that a movie going audience would tolerate Marvel making a made for BET love drama with teasing action scenes!
The last thing you want is the same things that convoluted the Black Panther franchise towards limbo and cancellations in the past when Chadwick Boseman matched with Andy Serkis already sells the tickets!
There are times to trim the fat and make a go at building a true rogues gallery and perhaps Malice and Princess Zonda are the types of love interests needed because they stir the pot better by their unique positioning than just a tag along soul singer!
With Malice you can get inner turmoil amongst the Doras while Zonda creates the capacity for all out war with Wakanda over broken promises and treaties... Monica can only bring the Mary J. Blige crowd and "Negro Spiritual" blues!
Recurring villains move all types of plots and at this point nobody is checking for Monica Lynn as they are for Mary Jane/Gwen Stacy, Lois Lane or even Catwoman for that matter!
The Black Panther seems to be a sort of kryptonite to standard issue fanbratti that causes them to flinch up when it is time to push forward whether it be Roy Thomas, The Annulment of The Century or pushing the movie date back without naming a director let alone that the script written by Mark Bailey is even in play at this point!
There is a hesitation and it shows clearly if they had Ultron doing to Klaw what is said to have happened to him instead T'chaka doing it himself!
The Ernie Hudson casting as T'chaka screams BET/TVOne very loudly...
[url]https://youtu.be/oIQm_s8A0mw[/url]
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1138961]Only because it was written so terribly by certain offices
If Marvel put their full support behind it, it could have been dynamite. Instead, it was basically wasted and wasn't recognize by the X office until AFTER the divorce for some odd reason[/QUOTE]
Agreed. The marriage had a ton of potential that was never tapped into and the fact that the X-office ignored the marriage definitely didn't help.
In regards to Jason Aaron, I think he writes an ok T'Challa but I don't think he has a good grasp on Storm or her powers. I liked the Secret Invasion tie-in at first, but over time I've come to like it less and less as I feel Black Panther and Storm were not portrayed as well as I would have liked.
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Okay so I just watched age of ultron again instead of finishing up my university essay and I came across a theory in the Klaw scene with ultron. Without spoiling anything the could be a [spoil]Mbutu[/spoil] reference there. Just saying
It's a shame most of you haven't seen it but I will wait till most of you lot have seen it