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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742352]I dont care for tchalla because I'm pointing out he shouldn't be beating characters who are universal threats? no that is not how that will work and just because you don't like my opinions on the matter you most certainly do not have the authority to tell me to stop.
let coates story play out. we dont know yet what happened to the gods so before jumping to the conclusion of sayin who doesnt care about wakanda, step back breathe and let the story wrap up. the missing gods is clearly a loose end that will be tied up at a later point.[/QUOTE]
X-Men franchise best adversary, why can't Wakanda. Because canon? Lame.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742376]Really. To get my woman back I gotta make her a goddess?! Hope I never lose her. For fucks sake! Really?[/QUOTE]
If it gets the job done, then yeah why not.
It's a way to beat adversary, in addition to obviously getting the Wakandans support behind her. There may be other ways to achieve both those things, but the point is that the way T'Challa handled it worked like a charm.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742380]Obviously Adversary came back, so Storm and the X-Men did not completely defeat him. Why are you holding Wakanda to the same standard?[/QUOTE]
you are right the didnt completely defeat him only sealed him.in another portal. even when they sacrificed their lives they were unable to permanently deal with him.
[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742384]X-Men franchise best adversary, why can't Wakanda. Because canon? Lame.[/QUOTE]
in order for the xmen fo originally seal him in a mystic portal created by forge it required the xmen lives. it still wasnt able to conceal him. now with ororo since she is a goddess things may be different but i doubt it. tchalla had the might of a goddess on his his side the xmen didnt so wakanda may win.where the xmen couldn't.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742370]nope not if you are familiar with her continuity, as well as the xmen continuity relative to adversary.[/QUOTE]
So she has been a Mary Sue all along? Figured. No wonder people worship her. She's a mutant! She's a goddess! She slices, she dices, she does it all. No more universal threats. Hell more waste or clean up. Just call Storm. Thanos giving you problems? Storm. Goon slam Gary? Storm. Klaw? Storm. Earwig infestation? Storm. T'Challa, don't worry 'bout Doom. Storm! Mephisto? Storm! Skrull invasion? Storm! ( Ok, she was there). Good lord! We shouldn't be reading BP. We should be reading Storm. All the answers wrapped up in a soured franchise relationship that if I was a Wakandan would be the reason I was dumping on him. Forget the woman. Just be sure she is the universal solvent and can keep you tinkering in the lab instead of solving problems hands on instead of just minds on, why not? Oh Stormy, could you please fly on over, zap any interesting Wakanda mythos opportunity for development so we have nothing to fall back on when the next writer takes the reigns. Thanks, sweetie. You're a goddess. M
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Her only real weakness is getting people to buy books titled "Storm".
Oh and hammers.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3742382]Being an essential part of defeating adversary and being the one to defeat him aren't the same thing. That's why people are complaining about this in the first place... because they wanted T'Challa to beat adversary.
But conversely T'Challa wanted Storm to beat her to that she would get the lions share of the credit, which better achieves his secondary objective.
Again, from T"CHalla's perspective he doesn't give a damn if he beats adversary or not as long as he's beaten. But he does give a dam about Wakandans accepting Storm, and her being their savior does that to a greater degree than her being a distraction. Plus, there's Storms end of things if they perceive her as a god she likely will feel more obligated to involve herself in Wakanda.[/QUOTE]
We wanted Wakanda to beat Adversary. Not just T'Challa. C'mo , Xpac. Keep up.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742403]you are right the didnt completely defeat him only sealed him.in another portal. even when they sacrificed their lives they were unable to permanently deal with him.
in order for the xmen fo originally seal him in a mystic portal created by forge it required the xmen lives. it still wasnt able to conceal him. now with ororo since she is a goddess things may be different but i doubt it. tchalla had the might of a goddess on his his side the xmen didnt so wakanda may win.where the xmen couldn't.[/QUOTE]
Callous as it may sound,. Wakandan redshirts may have been willing sacrifices. I mean, to save their country and family and all.....
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742411]So she has been a Mary Sue all along? Figured. No wonder people worship her. She's a mutant! She's a goddess! She slices, she dices, she does it all. No more universal threats. Hell more waste or clean up. Just call Storm. Thanos giving you problems? Storm. Goon slam Gary? Storm. Klaw? Storm. Earwig infestation? Storm. T'Challa, don't worry 'bout Doom. Storm! Mephisto? Storm! Skrull invasion? Storm! ( Ok, she was there). Good lord! We shouldn't be reading BP. We should be reading Storm. All the answers wrapped up in a soured franchise relationship that if I was a Wakandan would be the reason I was dumping on him. Forget the woman. Just be sure she is the universal solvent and can keep you tinkering in the lab instead of solving problems hands on instead of just minds on, why not? Oh Stormy, could you please fly on over, zap any interesting Wakanda mythos opportunity for development so we have nothing to fall back on when the next writer takes the reigns. Thanks, sweetie. You're a goddess. M[/QUOTE]
yea she actually was. when she was first created she was done so to be the most beautiful most powerful superheroine. in fact, when jean grey was first made Phoenix Claremont did so in order to put her on storms level. I know there is a lot of resentment here for coates and ororo bu some but Coates actually demonstrated he was very familiar with storm and the xmen continuity by his approach with adversary. I'm not saying BP fans shouldnt be upset but I think it's the wrong approach to say tchalla should have beat him because it shows a lack of understanding of adversary as a villain and a threat. that's why I said maybe adversary was the wrong villain but as xpac mentioned it seemed coates wanted to give ororo deeper ties to.wakanda which I think is amazing.
honestly ororo could defeat most villains in the mu if written to her fullest potential. seeing she holds back most of the time we rarely see this. and I think you are wrong with your sass lol. I think this next arc is going to push tchalla to do things he never knew he could without much help from his support cast from season 1 but time will tell.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742424]We wanted Wakanda to beat Adversary. Not just T'Challa. C'mo , Xpac. Keep up.[/QUOTE]
wakanda did defeat adversary. did you forget it was their prayers that allowed storm to use divine power against him in the first place?
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742428]Callous as it may sound,. Wakandan redshirts may have been willing sacrifices. I mean, to save their country and family and all.....[/QUOTE]
well I think tchalla would want to take an approach that resulted in the least amount of casualties.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742430]yea she actually was. when she was first created she was done so to be the most beautiful most powerful superheroine. in fact, when jean grey was first made Phoenix Claremont did so in order to put her on storms level. I know there is a lot of resentment here for coates and ororo bu some but Coates actually demonstrated he was very familiar with storm and the xmen continuity by his approach with adversary. I'm not saying BP fans shouldnt be upset but I think it's the wrong approach to say tchalla should have beat him because it shows a lack of understanding of adversary as a villain and a threat. that's why I said maybe adversary was the wrong villain but as xpac mentioned it seemed coates wanted to give ororo deeper ties to.wakanda which I think is amazing.
honestly ororo could defeat most villains in the mu if written to her fullest potential. seeing she holds back most of the time we rarely see this. and I think you are wrong with your sass lol. [B] I think this next arc is going to push tchalla to do things he never knew he could without much help from his support cast from season 1 but time will tell[/B].[/QUOTE]
People he's never ever needed before and yet accomplished so much more without any of them.
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Just got back from my third Infinity Wars viewing so that's half the number of times I have seen Black Panther in the theater... Of course now that I have the DVD I have more than doubled that number at home!
Sooooooo...
When did this place become The Storm Appreciation thread?
Read Black Panther/Star Wars issue #1 and...
Storm: "Come back to me..."
This is like a throwback to a commercial I remember from way back when...
[video=youtube;r5QZTL7jP3c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5QZTL7jP3c[/video]
Everybody sing along...
Come Back To Wakandaaaaa... Come experience the Wedding of The Century!
What's Old Is What's Newwwww... Come witness the Annulment of The Century!
We Want You To Join Uuuuuus... Come TROLL a whole entire thread legally it's on panel now!
We Made It For Youuuu... Come watch two opposing fan bases literally at war like forever!
So Make It Wakandaaaaa... Come ride the coattails of another rising franchise get yours!
Make It Your Ooooown... Come see another character usurp the narrative for no reason whatsoever!
Make It Wakandaaaaa... Come I mean like whatever just because!
Your New Xenophobic Hoooome... Come to Wakanda and suck all the air out of what was a great MCU cinematic moment it's all about you right!
Thanos: "I'm snapping my finger right now is there anybody you want dealt with?"
Queen Nakia: "YEAH!!!"
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3742437]Just got back from my third Infinity Wars viewing so that's half the number of times I have seen Black Panther in the theater... Of course now that I have the DVD I have more than doubled that number at home!
Sooooooo...
When did this place become The Storm Appreciation thread?
Read Black Panther/Star Wars issue #1 and...
Storm: "Come back to me..."
This is like a throwback to a commercial I remember from way back when...
[video=youtube;r5QZTL7jP3c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5QZTL7jP3c[/video]
Everybody sing along...
Come Back To Wakandaaaaa... Come experience the Wedding of The Century!
What's Old Is What's Newwwww... Come witness the Annulment of The Century!
We Want You To Join Uuuuuus... Come TROLL a whole entire thread legally it's on panel now!
We Made It For Youuuu... Come watch two opposing fan bases literally at war like forever!
So Make It Wakandaaaaa... Come ride the coattails of another rising franchise get yours!
Make It Your Ooooown... Come see another character usurp the narrative for no reason whatsoever!
Make It Wakandaaaaa... Come I mean like whatever just because!
Your New Xenophobic Hoooome... Come to Wakanda and suck all the air out of what was a great MCU cinematic moment it's all about you right!
Thanos: "I'm snapping my finger right now is there anybody you want dealt with?"
Queen Nakia: "YEAH!!!"[/QUOTE]
it became her appreciation thread when BP fans kept bringing her up. over and over, and did I mention over again... oh the irony
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3742436]People he's never ever needed before and yet accomplished so much more without any of them.[/QUOTE]
I believe coates is trying to give meat to his supporting cast, so I dont mind his approach. I havent read how he beat mephisto but I'm still curious. I dont think that would work here with adversary. I thought logos fight against tchalla would work but there was context there people didnt seem to mention for whatever reason. all in all I have yet to see anything from canon to suggest he could fight a threat like adversary on earth.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742430]yea she actually was. when she was first created she was done so to be the most beautiful most powerful superheroine. in fact, when jean grey was first made Phoenix Claremont did so in order to put her on storms level. I know there is a lot of resentment here for coates and ororo bu some but Coates actually demonstrated he was very familiar with storm and the xmen continuity by his approach with adversary. I'm not saying BP fans shouldnt be upset but I think it's the wrong approach to say tchalla should have beat him because it shows a lack of understanding of adversary as a villain and a threat. that's why I said maybe adversary was the wrong villain but as xpac mentioned it seemed coates wanted to give ororo deeper ties to.wakanda which I think is amazing.
honestly ororo could defeat most villains in the mu if written to her fullest potential. seeing she holds back most of the time we rarely see this. and I think you are wrong with your sass lol. I think this next arc is going to push tchalla to do things he never knew he could without much help from his support cast from season 1 but time will tell.[/QUOTE]
I think you lack respect for how decently the more common posters respect your feelings. You come on this appreciation board of fantastical science fiction and argue for pages that the titular character of the thread can't be written to defeat a fictional threat in comic books? Batman beat or at least stymied Darkseid from what I understand. And you won't argue that T'Challa, with more resources available, can't defeat Adversary? Thank you for your appreciation. You should be coming up with ways T'Challa could beat Adversary without Storm, not arguing with us against it. Go make an Adversary appreciation thread and see hlwhat leafs it has.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742447]I believe coates is trying to give meat to his supporting cast, so I dont mind his approach. I havent read how he beat mephisto but I'm still curious. I dont think that would work here with adversary. I thought logos fight against tchalla would work but there was context there people didnt seem to mention for whatever reason. all in all I have yet to see anything from canon to suggest he could fight a threat like adversary on earth.[/QUOTE]
You haven't seen it because, by your own admission, you haven't read most of his stories. Why would you argue from a place of ignorance?
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742448]I think you lack respect for how decently the more common posters respect your feelings. You come on this appreciation board of fantastical science fiction and argue for pages that the titular character of the thread can't be written to defeat a fictional threat in comic books? Batman beat or at least stymied Darkseid from what I understand. And you won't argue that T'Challa, with more resources available, can't defeat Adversary? Thank you for your appreciation. You should be coming up with ways T'Challa could beat Adversary without Storm, not arguing with us against it. Go make an Adversary appreciation thread and see hlwhat leafs it has.[/QUOTE]
well I'm not saying it couldn't happen. I mean think back to all the grief that occurred when tchalla put silver surfer in a headlock. can a character be written to do amazing things, exceptional things? of course. but would it be believable based upon preexisting canon, that's another question.
if I were in ororos thread and people said she could beat eternity or logos I would say that isnt true and would never happen. or that she could take a bullet to the heart for that matter without dying. an appreciation thread doesnt mean you blindly state things that misalign with canon. based upon what I've seen I don't think what he has done tchalla could beat adversary withiut some form of help. even his biggest feat against logos he required help from the tiger god, and it required him fighting on a plane where metaphors allowed him to win.
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3742450]You haven't seen it because you haven't read most of his stories. Why would you argue from a place of ignorance?[/QUOTE]
are you really trying to go there when you said a metal box could defeat adversary oh please, just stop.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742455]are you really trying to go there when you said a metal box could defeat adversary oh please, just stop.[/QUOTE]
I'm obviously doing that to take the piss.
You don't see me posting in Storm threads talking shit, do you?
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3742458]I'm obviously doing that to take the piss.
You don't see me posting in Storm threads talking shit, do you?[/QUOTE]
I think this is perhaps the craziest thing I've seen but I will humor you. how am I talking ish about tchalla and please quote me what I said?
and as a sn no you dont talk ish about storm in her thread, you just derail this one by doing it here.
[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3742423]Her only real weakness is getting people to buy books titled "Storm".
Oh and hammers.[/QUOTE]
#keepitcute
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742464]I think this is perhaps the craziest thing I've seen but I will humor you. how am I talking ish and please quote me what I said?[/QUOTE]
I didn't say you were, I said that I'm not.
But what you are doing is arguing with life long, or very mythos read, BP fans about what he's pulled off or shown himself capable of in decades of stories.
Why are we supposed to respect what you are saying Storm is capable of, when your counter is, "Oh well I've never seen that book your are talking about, but that seems like no big deal."
That's a BS place to argue from.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742434]well I think tchalla would want to take an approach that resulted in the least amount of casualties.[/QUOTE]
X-Men were willing. Wakandans can't?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742464]and as a sn no you dont talk ish about storm in her thread, you just derail this one by doing it here.
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There are [B]pages[/B] of me adding productive posts to this thread that are only related to BP.
I'd be shocked, but pleasantly suprised, if you have produce more than 10 posts in this thread that are solely related to Black Panther and not Storm or [U]me[/U].
I don't even really have an issue with you per se, the only real beef I've had with you was when it looked like you were purposely derailing the thread, rather than just posting stuff I vehemently disagree with but doing it sincerely. I've seen the amount of dumb shit you put up with in your own thread so I know you aren't a troll.
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3742470]I didn't say you were, I said that I'm not.
But what you are doing is arguing with life long, or very mythos read, BP fans about what he's pulled off or shown himself capable of in decades of stories.
Why are we supposed to respect what you are saying Storm is capable of, when your counter is, "Oh well I've never seen that book your are talking about, but that seems like no big deal."
That's a BS place to argue from.[/QUOTE]
no disrespect to lifelong fans. but let me explain to you my thought process. I lean on fans here word who are more knowledgeable when it comes to his mythos. so when posters mentioned he beat logos I actually thought ok why didnr coates take a similar approach. it wasnt until I read the ultimates issue for myself that I understood there was a lot of context as to how he pulled that off. so me asking questions, me challenging certain views here is not to troll or be disrespectful. it's for me to better understand your thought process and for to express why I think coates took the story in direction he did. I also post scans from canon to try to explain it from an unbiased manner. if someone posted something that would counter my point I would concede. in fact marvell did. he mentioned mephisto is a universal threat and I asked him to explain how. so I'm not expecting anyone to respect my thoughts but I thought we could respectfully disagree here and debate certain facts without getting personal or taking things personal. if I'm wrong about something I will concede but as of yet I havent seen anything that tchalla could do that could give him a win here without some form of help.
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3742470]I didn't say you were, I said that I'm not.
But what you are doing is arguing with life long, or very mythos read, BP fans about what he's pulled off or shown himself capable of in decades of stories.
Why are we supposed to respect what you are saying Storm is capable of, when your counter is, "Oh well I've never seen that book your are talking about, but that seems like no big deal."
That's a BS place to argue from.[/QUOTE]
Right. When I saw, Butterflykiss, that you didn't know the scene with T'Challa and Mephisto I knew you didn't know enough to make your argument of appreciation. And, it's one thing to atmbar the Surfer, but to stop a villian evenosy X-Men fans have to Google is another thing. Besides having so many plausible plot scenarios presented to you by various posters, you argue against rather than for T'Challa. Weak! I say weak appreciation. Other posters have real accumen for pointing out both stengths and weaknesses of T'Challa and Wakanda but you don't seem to take their word or scans for it. Or seem to stretch your mind enough to imagine a scenario where T'Chalka could win. Try it. Lay some believable plot scenario where T'Challa beats Adversary with the resources of Wakanda at his disposal. Try it. We will help. Baby steps......
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I get wanting to see your favorite character do cool stuff. That's why a lot of us here are mad about this book, because our favorite character isn't the one getting the Ws in his own books.
For two years all the best feats have been farmed out to everyone in his perimeter. If it wasn't for the cultural zeitgeist Black Panther is enjoying, thanks to his film appearances, this would be a recipe for plummeting sales (which are stable but not spectacular). It's not a sustainable way to keep a character popular.
If T'challa's main move is getting his friends to solve problems why do we even need T'challa in the first place?
That's how Coates' entire run has been to MANY of us.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742424]We wanted Wakanda to beat Adversary. Not just T'Challa. C'mo , Xpac. Keep up.[/QUOTE]
And all of Wakanda did play a part in beating adversary. Literally.
She couldn't have done it without them.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742475]X-Men were willing. Wakandans can't?[/QUOTE]
why would tchalla be ok with sacrificing wakandan lives?
[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3742483]There are [B]pages[/B] of me adding productive posts to this thread that are only related to BP.
I'd be shocked, but pleasantly suprised, if you have produce more than 10 posts in this thread that are solely related to Black Panther and not Storm or [U]me[/U].
I don't even really have an issue with you per se, the only real beef I've had with you was when it looked like you were purposely derailing the thread rather than just posting stuff I vehemently disagree with but doing it sincerely. I've seen the amount of dumb shit you put up with in your own thread.[/QUOTE]
yea I'm quite sure you have tons of "meaningful" posts here but understand I lurk here a lot. I dont contribute all the time as I wouldn't be able to add anything meaningful to some conversations as I havent read all the old issues prior to tchalla marrying ororo. here's the thing everyone who came to know tchalla wasnt by way of his solo books. I learned of him when hudlin wrote him with ororo because I was her fan. so if you are talking about post hudlin stuff that tie to stories where they are together I can add meaningful conversation in those areas. where is the rule that says you can only talk about tchalla and if so why are you not following it?
so you are absolutely right my posts often times will relate to tchalla and storm, or how storm has connected with wakanda based upon old and PRESENT stories. you will never see me come into a discussion and bring storm up UNLESS other posters here do it first. the reality is, you and some others are ok with ororo being discussed here when it is done in a denigrating way because you dont like how the marriage was handled or you dont like that coates made her a Wakandan god. my bad but that ain't my problem. if you dont want her discussed dont bring her up but seeing she is very much tied to wakanda, and she is in his book she will come up. and often times if not all the times it's the posters who complain that she shouldn't be brought up who being her up.
lastly I don't have a thread that I belong to. I post where I please when its relevant to the topics I want to discuss. I wasnt aware you had beef with me. you say I'm posting about you but it seems you are not only stalking me in the storm thread but you also seemed to forget you responded to me here first. I have no issues with any fans who post here, you included. if I see some incorrect things I will correct it. if I see some things that make me happy I will post that too but you will never ever see me post about storm here unless someone brings her up first because I understand the love hate relation some have here between her and her fans. but all of that is not my problem. those are yall hangups but dont let your personal hangups get you twisted to what's really happening. I'm not trolling or derailing simply stating facts as it pertains to 616 canon.
sn: stop being cocky you are not nearly on my brain as much as you would like to believe.
#kysses
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742489]Right. When I saw, Butterflykiss, that you didn't know the scene with T'Challa and Mephisto I knew you didn't know enough to make your argument of appreciation. And, it's one thing to atmbar the Surfer, but to stop a villian evenosy X-Men fans have to Google is another thing. Besides having so many plausible plot scenarios presented to you by various posters, you argue against rather than for T'Challa. Weak! I say weak appreciation. Other posters have real accumen for pointing out both stengths and weaknesses of T'Challa and Wakanda but you don't seem to take their word or scans for it. Or seem to stretch your mind enough to imagine a scenario where T'Chalka could win. Try it. Lay some believable plot scenario where T'Challa beats Adversary with the resources of Wakanda at his disposal. Try it. We will help. Baby steps......[/QUOTE]
first I asked for posters to explain to me the mephisto feat. secondly you don't have to know the ends and outs about a character to debate something as you have demonstrated because you were making suggestions that wouldn't make sense to contain or defeat adversary based upon past showings. no disrespect but do you not see the double standards here? it's ok to say things that contradict canon so long as it supports tchalla?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742440]it became her appreciation thread when BP fans kept bringing her up. over and over, and did I mention over again... oh the irony[/QUOTE]
Well until that GLORIOUS day we get an actual book called Black Panther that stars BLACK PANTHER-doing everything Batman and others do in their solos-be the STAR not the background.
Instead of this stealth Storm book. That as I have pointed out in Storm's thread-does her NO JUSTICE to have a lead in someone else's book.
Because in order to get to that next stage of evolution-she has to headline her OWN book. No matter the length of run.
Static did not get a tv shows by having a stealth solo in Robin.
Blade didn't get 3 movies by a stealth solo in Punisher.
Miles didn't get that movie in a stealth solo in Peter's book.
Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Jessica Cruz and others did not get where they are by stealth solos or duos in other folks books.
So when does Storm get a book called STORM? Especially in this era? Where there is a DEMAND for black heroes? Especially FEMALE ONES. Especially since DC has given up on black lead solos.
We got Riri, Moon Girl, Shuri, Midnight Angels & maybe Monica depending on Cap Marvel. Heck we got Valkyrie. Where is Storm?
#whereisthestormsolo?
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3742496]I get wanting to see your favorite character do cool stuff. That's why a lot of us here are mad about this book, because our favorite character isn't the one getting the Ws in his own books.
For two years all the best feats have been farmed out to everyone in his perimeter. If it wasn't for the cultural zeitgeist Black Panther is enjoying, thanks to his film appearances, this would be a recipe for plummeting sales (which are stable but not spectacular). It's not a sustainable way to keep a character popular.
If T'challa's main move is getting his friends to solve problems why do we even need T'challa in the first place?
That's how Coates' entire run has been to MANY of us.[/QUOTE]
They still need T'Challa, because he's the one telling them what to do.
But for those not interest in his supporting cast, this current arc might do the trick.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;3742525]Well until that GLORIOUS day we get an actual book called Black Panther that stars BLACK PANTHER-doing everything Batman and others do in their solos-be the STAR not the background.
Instead of this stealth Storm book. That as I have pointed out in Storm's thread-does her NO JUSTICE to have a lead in someone else's book.
Because in order to get to that next stage of evolution-she has to headline her OWN book. No matter the length of run.
Static did not get a tv shows by having a stealth solo in Robin.
Blade didn't get 3 movies by a stealth solo in Punisher.
Miles didn't get that movie in a stealth solo in Peter's book.
Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Jessica Cruz and others did not get where they are by stealth solos or duos in other folks books.
So when does Storm get a book called STORM? Especially in this era? Where there is a DEMAND for black heroes? Especially FEMALE ONES. Especially since DC has given up on black lead solos.
We got Riri, Moon Girl, Shuri, Midnight Angels & maybe Monica depending on Cap Marvel. Heck we got Valkyrie. Where is Storm?
#whereisthestormsolo?[/QUOTE]
storm wasnt even in a majority of the issues and the ones she was in she was predominantly featured in two of those. I already debunked the BP book being disguised as a storm book.
I agree with all you said. I like wha coates is doing with her and i think that is the approach he is taking by having her in BP and I'm guessing she will maybe appear even in captain America. it will happen boo. it will happen
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[QUOTE=XPac;3742538]They still need T'Challa, because he's the one telling them what to do.
But for those not interest in his supporting cast, this current arc might do the trick.[/QUOTE]
thank you! goddess I'm so happy you post here!!!
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742510]first I asked for posters to explain to me the mephisto feat. secondly you don't have to know the ends and outs about a character to debate something as you have demonstrated because you were making suggestions that wouldn't make sense to contain or defeat adversary based upon past showings. no disrespect but do you not see the double standards here? it's ok to say things that contradict canon so long as it supports tchalla?[/QUOTE]
They did. But please answer why the X franchise is allowed to defeat universal threats without outside franchise help and Wakanda cannot. It comes from the imagination and wanting the titular character to develop. Go and read the Mephisto story or the Doomwar story and come up with a plausible scenario where Wakanda wins without outside franchise influence. Not saying Storm can't be part of the story, but being a king with the resources at his command, why would T'Challa lay hands on any problem confronting Wakanda.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3742498]And all of Wakanda did play a part in beating adversary. Literally.
She couldn't have done it without them.[/QUOTE]
"She couldn't have done it without them". Your words Xpac, not mine. Storm could not have done it without Wakanda. In BP's own book. Sheesh.
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Wakanda Football...
(Translated from Xhosa of course) :cool:
Wakandan Sports Commentator: "King T'challa takes the snap at his own one yard line... He breaks left, spins... HE-COULD-GO-ALL-THE- Waaaaaaay... Breaks one tackle, then another... Leaps over a defender pivots and reverses field, breaks another tackle... Straight stiff arms a defender, breaks another tackle and flips right into the end zo... Wait a minute he fumbles the football... It's recovered in the end zone by STORM... And the crowd goes wild!"
Dora Cheerleaders: "Stormy, Stormy she's are man if she can't do it no one can!"
Wakandan Sports Commentator: "What a play and by default even though King T'challa carried the football all the way to the goal line Storm gets the credit in the box score so she has a game day average of one carry, 99 yards and one touchdown a game! WOW, what stats she might get a scholarship or drafted to the pros if she keeps it up!!!"
King T'challa: "It's just not fair!"
[video=youtube;PQnYkQHHDLU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQnYkQHHDLU[/video]
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3742556]Wakanda Football...
(Translated from Xhosa of course) :cool:
Wakandan Sports Commentator: "King T'challa takes the snap at his own one yard line... He breaks left, spins... HE-COULD-GO-ALL-THE- Waaaaaaay... Breaks one tackle, then another... Leaps over a defender pivots and reverses field, breaks another tackle... Straight stiff arms a defender, breaks another tackle and flips right into the end zo... Wait a minute he fumbles the football... It's recovered in the end zone by STORM... And the crowd goes wild!"
Dora Cheerleaders: "Stormy, Stormy she's are man if she can't do it no one can!"
Wakandan Sports Commentator: "What a play and by default even though King T'challa carried the football all the way to the goal line Storm gets the credit in the box score so she has a game day average of one carry, 99 yards and one touchdown a game! WOW, what stats she might get a scholarship or drafted to the pros if she keeps it up!!!"
King T'challa: "It's just not fair!"
[video=youtube;PQnYkQHHDLU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQnYkQHHDLU[/video][/QUOTE]
Right on, Flex.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3742538]They still need T'Challa, because he's the one telling them what to do.
But for those not interest in his supporting cast, this current arc might do the trick.[/QUOTE]
These are action driven stories. There's a reason an Oracle solo was never going to be a seller. No one wants to read about a hero whose main power is delegating responsibility.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742555]"She couldn't have done it without them". Your words Xpac, not mine. Storm could not have done it without Wakanda. In BP's own book. Sheesh.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, she could not have done it without them. It was their prayers to her which empowered her to defeat the Adversary.
If you want to involve Wakanda in the win, this got it done. Moreso than say with shadow physics or a big metal box.
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3742562]These are action driven stories. There's a reason an Oracle solo was never going to be a seller. No one wants to read about a hero whose main power is delegating responsibility.[/QUOTE]
He doesn't just delegate. He's fighting too. He fought the Originators, he beat Klaw, and he bought Storm time to recover.