[QUOTE=Cville;3758887]He was in Doctor Strange Damnation.[/QUOTE]
Truly a waste, that appearance.
As a functional religious leader, I've never understood why he wouldn't have at least equal magical mojo as Moon Knight
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[QUOTE=Cville;3758887]He was in Doctor Strange Damnation.[/QUOTE]
Truly a waste, that appearance.
As a functional religious leader, I've never understood why he wouldn't have at least equal magical mojo as Moon Knight
[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3758972]Truly a waste, that appearance.
As a functional religious leader, I've never understood why he wouldn't have at least equal magical mojo as Moon Knight[/QUOTE]
Don't you know? Strange is a [I]deus ex machina[/I] character! Everyone knows THAT!
Just like T'Challa is a Mary Sue in his own book....
[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3758972]Truly a waste, that appearance.
As a functional religious leader, I've never understood why he wouldn't have at least equal magical mojo as Moon Knight[/QUOTE]
In all fairness Moon Knights magical mojo is usually downplayed as well (though there are exceptions).
Egyptian gods don't really seem big on powering up their avatars too much.
[QUOTE=Bunai;3758924]Thank you.
I would like to see more Strange and T'Challa adventures.[/QUOTE]
He was more of an extra. Got a good jab in on Carol though. Still a fun four part mini.
[QUOTE=XPac;3759060]In all fairness Moon Knights magical mojo is usually downplayed as well (though there are exceptions).
Egyptian gods don't really seem big on powering up their avatars too much.[/QUOTE]
Bast(Hickman lol) powered him up a lot. It's the writers(Hickman and everyone following) who failed to do anything with it.
[I]I have enjoyed Panther and Strange's encounters over the years. The first one I recall was The Defenders #9. T'Challa and Mantis team up to battle Strange for a piece of the Evil Eye in a corn field somewhere in America. I cannot remember who got the eye, but I remember Strange getting caught off guard by T'Challa's and Mantis' skills.[/I]
[QUOTE=Cville;3759163]Bast(Hickman lol) powered him up a lot. It's the writers(Hickman and everyone following) who failed to do anything with it.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if I'd say Hickman powered up T'Challa a LOT. He has a few extra abilities like controloing zombies and being able to talk to previous BPs... but fuctionally speaking I'd say he performs about the same in combat as he normally does.
THough I will say Hickman gave him a pretty nice boost in the tech department.
[QUOTE=XPac;3759201]I don't know if I'd say Hickman powered up T'Challa a LOT. He has a few extra abilities like controloing zombies and being able to talk to previous BPs... but fuctionally speaking I'd say he performs about the same in combat as he normally does.
THough I will say Hickman gave him a pretty nice boost in the tech department.[/QUOTE]
But the potential is there. Two or three of those past BPs look like magic primarily magic users. Good learning opportunities. And as King of the Dead he should be able to walk into Hel and tell Hela to make him a sandwich. Lol
[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3759169][I]I have enjoyed Panther and Strange's encounters over the years. The first one I recall was The Defenders #9. T'Challa and Mantis team up to battle Strange for a piece of the Evil Eye in a corn field somewhere in America. I cannot remember who got the eye, but I remember Strange getting caught off guard by T'Challa's and Mantis' skills.[/I][/QUOTE]
The Avenger fan in me always sort of hated that cross over, because the Avengers basically got their butts handed to them (though in all fairness the Defenders were ridiculously overpowered).
Strange beat Mantis and BP, pretty easily honestly since it was basically martial arts vs magic. Not an entirely fair fight. Though Strange did show a high degree of hand to hand skill himself. Strange fighting later version of Mantis and BLack Panther would be a more interesting fight as both Mantis and BP have gotten more powerful, while Strange conversely seems to keep getting depowered.
[QUOTE=XPac;3759201]I don't know if I'd say Hickman powered up T'Challa a LOT. He has a few extra abilities like controloing zombies and being able to talk to previous BPs... but fuctionally speaking I'd say he performs about the same in combat as he normally does.
THough I will say Hickman gave him a pretty nice boost in the tech department.[/QUOTE]
As the Bast's personally appointed Champion, T'challa was blessed with the knowledge, powers, abilities and strengths of ALL of the Black Panther who preceded him back to the very first Black Panther.
On paper and in theory, that represents a MAJOR power up by any stretch of the imagination.
The fact that Hickman choked at illustrating the full range of the powerup's he imbued T'challa with does not invalidate the fact that said enhancements did not happen.
One is left wondering why some readers choose to downplay T'Challa's full range of abilities and powers whilst waxing loquacious when he's mischaracterised as being a street level character?
One is also left wondering why said readers cannot bring themselves to consider how Hickman's enhancements may have given T'challa the strength, knowledge and abilities as King of the Dead to overpower, dominate and eventually bend the primal Tiger God to his will thus giving him the raw power to take on and defeat Logo's on the abstract plane.
I'm retrospect, Al Ewing cleary saw the potential in what Hickman initiated in T'challa to such a degree that he utilised same to solid effect in the aforementioned conflict with Logos.
Coates subsequent stripping of said powerups and redistribution of same to Shuri, remains indicative of all post Hudlin BP writers collective penchant for finding patently ridiculous avenues to nerf T'challa and his abilities to easily fit him into the square holes of their unimaginative agenda driven tales of ineptitude.
I'm not going to waste my time posting the relevant scans from the specific issue of the Hickman penned Fantastic Four book that clearly stated T'Challa's elevation to King of the Dead because it's been posted in this thread on multiple occasions so I'm sure you must have seen them yourself.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3758796]I'm asking you why are you being so combative with me. Your response about what I said to other users has nothing to do with answering that question in and of itself. And to clarify, me respectfully disagreeing and correcting misconceptions about Ororo, Adversary, as well as Tchalla power is not being combative. I'm not sure how you are coming to such a conclusion based upon my exchanges here.
No your original response stated that I had no knowledge of Tchalla outside Coates. If you wanted me to convey to you a "comprehensive knowledge" of tchalla that is what you should have said. However, as I've said time and time again I dont have to prove anything here to any user on my knowledge or lack of knowledge. Especially when after I've read the stories "BP enthusiasts" have used to argue that Coates is this horrible writer I now understand this criticism comes from a place of ignoring context and applying biases against Coates that isnt used with other writers.
I never downplayed Mephisto scans. In fact, I didnt see any actual scans posted and had to read the issues myself. I even requested the scans. This thread is very active so I could have missed the responses. in either case, Tchalla required help to beat Mephisto is this not true? Did he need a team of his wakandan techies to discover and counter the power the frequency from Mephisto's realm gave him? Was it not only Tchalla soul but also the souls of his ancestors that Mephisto could not take and therefore begged tchalla to rescind his offer? How is me acknowledging what happened in the story then downplaying him?
The double standard is that Priest wrote tchalla needing help to beat Mephisto but the ones who criticize coates seeking help to beat Adversary dont apply this same criticism to priest. And I'm not sure how Tchalla beat tiger since this wasnt shown on panwl. It could have been similar to what he did agaisn mephisto but you cant aay either way.
Agreed and everyone has different standards by which they apply good writing. It doenst make them less or greater a fan which is what some are trying to do here. Since I like coates I must not be a tchalla fan and for those who dont and appreciate other writes such as hudlin and others, then these are the real fans. That's the logic that is being applied here and why you and others are taking me to task about not reading certain stories, yet it seems those who did dont fully understand the context of what happened in them.
And that is ok if AvX soured you. It soured a lot of people, but some readers including myself were able to move beyond the horrors of that time. I dont think it's anything wrong with this either.
If people want to see Tchalla written to how Hudlin or Priest wrote Tchalla there is no argument you will get from there. However, Tchalla will never be a character that is insulated to interactions with only himself. Even if it's not Ororo, he will come to paths with characters that have their own established mythos. I'm only saying that tchalla shouldnt be written in a way where others are written poorly and OOC so that he can come off on top. I dont think that is something unreasonable to ask.
I dont think her being an actual goddess would be ironic in any way if you were familiar with her story. This goes back to my previous point I was making about understand other characters mythos.
You did it just now in fact. Your sarcasm about her being an actual goddess at tchalla and wakanda expense is evidence of you diminishing ororos established mythos.
You dont have to say a point is a irrelevant for it to be implied. The point of trying to demonstrate I have less knowledge in certain areas as it relates to tchalla is to then support the idea that I dont know what I'm talking about as it relates to my criticism, which is therefore an attempt to invalidate my point. it may not be purposeful but it most definitely comes across that way.
I never said I do have a grasp of his mythos in its entirety and never would until I can read all the stories. However, I can look at what has been brought up against me to counter certain points that I have made to get an understanding of their perspective, which I have. And from my interpretation at least it doesnt seem to be these arguments are being made with the context included. In fact people were originally saying Tchalla beat Mephisto. it wasnt until I read and saw the context then mentioned the context they conveniently left out here did these posters wish to try to dive deeper.
well in context to the stories I read I understand the threat the posed in those instances.
well I'm here for the ride as long as Coates gives good stories, and there are many many more who are too.
goodnight.[/QUOTE]
As I've said previously, a solid grasp of T'Challa's abilities pre-Coates diminish meant of the character, is required to adequately debate or discuss from an informed perspective.
When posters as knowledgeable about T'challa as you are about Storm, go out of their way to post information relating to the characters actual prowess, it doesn't really help when readers unfamiliar with the characters full repertoire refer to him as just being a man when he's obviously much more than that.
[QUOTE=Agent Z;3758643]Illustrations of Wakandan World Cup uniforms
[url]https://io9.gizmodo.com/if-wakanda-had-world-cup-uniforms-theyd-look-like-this-1827259767[/url][/QUOTE]
I like the red one. I'm a little skeptical of their entire team having a Black Panther motif.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3758932]Maybe they'll cross paths in space...[/QUOTE]
I'm still convinced that T'Challa is in the future (although I haven't read the latest issue yet).
[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3759569]I like the red one. I'm a little skeptical of their entire team having a Black Panther motif.
I'm still convinced that T'Challa is in the future (although I haven't read the latest issue yet).[/QUOTE]
It's a possible future timeline or a completely different reality altogether . Given what we saw in the latest issue there's no way it can be present time in the prime MU.
I really don't understand this obsession with T'Challa and powerups.
Batman doesn't need a power up. Captain America doesn't need a power up, and neither does Black Panther. Some characters are just fine as is.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3759447]As I've said previously, a solid grasp of T'Challa's abilities pre-Coates diminish meant of the character, is required to adequately debate or discuss from an informed perspective.
When posters as knowledgeable about T'challa as you are about Storm, go out of their way to post information relating to the characters actual prowess, it doesn't really help when readers unfamiliar with the characters full repertoire refer to him as just being a man when he's obviously much more than that.[/QUOTE]
[B]Maj don't bother. Butterfly has been posting the sane reguitated argument "claiming" that BP enthusiast don't understand the context of how Tchalla beat Mephisto yet somehow they do after reading two issues or the client or something. They keep saying the same false information and claiming people here have "double standards" for Coates and Storm. Go figure. and it's beyond old and no matter how much any poster here with vast and complete knowledge of Bps mythos say about Tchallas filly realized and capabilities, we are simply wanting him to be a Mary Sue and hating on Coates and Storm because we don't like then and want Tchalla to be unbeatable.
No need to entertain the poster anymore[/B]