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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2318234]Like I said, it's a cool visual to have these heroes come together. It's just overkill and robs T'Challa of having a much needed feat to help this story.[/QUOTE]
If T'Challa loses an opportunity for a feat but potentially gains a second team book out of this, I'll say T'Challa comes out ahead in the long run here.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2318244]Sure T'Challa has helped the US... but there are also many occasions where they have chosen not to. The majority of instances quite frankly... it's the norm for the most part. I'm not saying Wakanda has never helped the US... what I am saying is there are plenty of occasions where they didn't, and US never felt the need for payback over it to my knowledge.
But yes, the situation Wakanda was in was indeed unique. US to my knowledge has never been in that situation. But it's the uniquenss of the situation which justified the response it got. Again, the Cabal was needed to prevent the universe from being destroyed. A universe that includes Wakanda. They frankly take a bigger hit from the incursion than from Thanos.[/QUOTE]
Okay, your argument was that Wakanda never helped the US when it was threatened and showed you instances where Wakanda did help the US and the world. Now it's many occasions where Wakanda didn't. The argument falls apart.
So it was justifiable to sacrifice Wakanda so that the world could live a few days longer. Wakanda was nuked, every Wakandan killed. So when the Cabal decide that they wanted to nuke another country, do they continue to sacrifice until there is one country left?
But then the sacrifice was for naught as the world was still destroyed. But T'Challa was magnanimous in his decision to resurrect those who turned their backs.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2318253]If T'Challa loses an opportunity for a feat but potentially gains a second team book out of this, I'll say T'Challa comes out ahead in the long run here.[/QUOTE]
Nope, he doesn't. The Crew may come out ahead but not T'Challa.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2318183]Again, Stane was a match for Iron Man. You may have a low opinion of Iron Man if you believe a clown is a credible threat to him... but don't assume everyone at marvel necessarily agrees.[/QUOTE]
Did Ironman call the Crew? Lol
#logicfail
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2318220]Thane being a credible threat to Stark has ZERO relevance to this discussion and as far as I can see, no one posting in this thread has implied having a "low opinion" of Stark.
What most in this thread can agree on, is the FACT that Marvel seem to have a knack for hiring writers who delight in nerfing T'Challa and Wakanda on some straight up watered down tip.[/QUOTE]
Thane's credibility isn't the one at stake. That distinction belongs to T'Challa.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2318263]Nope, he doesn't. The Crew may come out ahead but not T'Challa.[/QUOTE]
T'Challa is a member of the Crew. Which means if they generate enough interest to get a title, he gets to be in another monthly book. And for both the character and the fans, that's a good thing.
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[QUOTE=Victor Freeman;2318264]Did Ironman call the Crew? Lol
#logicfail[/QUOTE]
He called Pepper Potts.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2318270]He called Pepper Potts.[/QUOTE]
Smh. Lol
Like I said. Excuses....
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[QUOTE=XPac;2318268]T'Challa is a member of the Crew. Which means if they generate enough interest to get a title, he gets to be in another monthly book. And for both the character and the fans, that's a good thing.[/QUOTE]
No, he called in the Crew. Where does it say T'Challa is a member? If he is, I missed it.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2318268]T'Challa is a member of the Crew. Which means if they generate enough interest to get a title, he gets to be in another monthly book. And for both the character and the fans, that's a good thing.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't excuse the shotty writing. You could still have this with something better written.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2318161]We need to put a team together for this mission. What team would you put together(Earth bound villains please and no gods) to take on this mission?
I'd have to put Taskmaster on the team along with Lady Deathstrike for starters. Have to work on the rest of the team, about 5-7 members total.[/QUOTE]
If I were writing it, the way I'd do it would be to have a bad-assed semi-enhanced team insert themselves into the situation, but they'd get beat by regular Wakanda soldiers/HZ guys. Then SHEILD brings in Taskmaster and other supers or semi supers. Maybe characters from Hickman's Secret Warriors?
Or the supers could come from a third country. China could work just cuz of what's going on in the real world but I can't think of villains I'd use. There's a fair number of Russia foes...Blonde Black Widow, Crimson Dynamo, Darkstar could be used.
I had an idea for an updated or "ultimate" Lethal Legion with Living Laser, Whirlwind, and Man-Ape, where they are international mercenaries I think could work as well.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2318261]Okay, your argument was that Wakanda never helped the US when it was threatened and showed you instances where Wakanda did help the US and the world. Now it's many occasions where Wakanda didn't. The argument falls apart.
So it was justifiable to sacrifice Wakanda so that the world could live a few days longer. Wakanda was nuked, every Wakandan killed. So when the Cabal decide that they wanted to nuke another country, do they continue to sacrifice until there is one country left?
But then the sacrifice was for naught as the world was still destroyed. But T'Challa was magnanimous in his decision to resurrect those who turned their backs.[/QUOTE]
Go back and reread my posts.
[QUOTE=XPac;2318071]I can understand Waksnda being upset with how things went down, but I don't think Payback is really nevessary.
Firstly because the Cabal was necessary for the survival of the universe. But that aside there's plenty of times the US was threatened and Wakands didn't help. That sort of thing isn'the that abnormal.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say Wakanda never helped the US. I said there were PLENTY OF TIMES the US was threatened and Wakanda didn't help. The phrase "plenty of times" and "many occasions" pretty much mean the same thing. But neither means NEVER.
And yes, it's justifiable to sacrifice Wakanda if it means the Universe lives a bit longer. We saw what happened in the span of time the Cabal bought them. Doom was able to find a way to stop the Beyonders and the Illuminati were able to build the Life Rafts. Yes, Wakanda paid a terrible price but that price wasn't in vain. In the long run it benefited everyone, including Wakanda.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2318275]No, he called in the Crew. Where does it say T'Challa is a member? If he is, I missed it.[/QUOTE]
I was under the impression he was a part of the Crew honestly.
Everytime the Crew has collectively shown up anywhere, T'Challa was in the story with them.
But maybe he won't be in the group... we'll see. That would certainly be disappointing... though frankly even without T'Challa in it I still fully support the idea of Coates using his book to try and push this team.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2318275]No, he called in the Crew. Where does it say T'Challa is a member? If he is, I missed it.[/QUOTE]
[B]Isn't he? I kinda assumed he was based on the CA:SW when they introduced them.
Honestly I don't mind the crew showing up to and getting exposure, it is a good thing e especially if another ongoing came from it with T'Challa apart of that as well. HOWEVER, how I would of integrated the crew would of been like how Priest, Liss and Hudlin utilized multiple members guest appearing, and having them straight wreck Redshirt's (the people grunts).
Gives then some exposure while giving the great feat of 1v4 stane and his buddies to T'Challa. Especially making it cooler if the crew shows up, stane is surprised, and T'Challa replies to Stane that "They are only here to insure these aren't interrupted" while showing then go to work on the grunts, and showing T'Challa easily slip out of the chains and start wrecking stane [/B]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2318023]I actually think that T'Challa should have expanded the role of Wakanda, exactly whatEwing is doing. There's a huge vacuum out there that T'Challa could have filled. The main problem is Coates' downtrodden Wakanda filled with strife, doubt and rebellion, hardly the world leader that it should be. Despite a lack of action so far in Ultimates, T'Challa is on a team tackling large cosmic scale issues.
The true rebellion in Wakanda shouldn't have been about T'Challa's failure as a leader which is apparently the only Coates sees despite the success Wakanda has had because of T'Challa. The true rebellions should have come from Wakandans afraid to embrace the 21st century and the future. Those who wanted to cling to the old isolationist views and shut out the rest of the world. T'Challa'S POV should be that we can no longer keep Wakanda in the shadows, the world needs a leader and Wakanda will be that leader.
I could write stories for days about political strife, social commentary and just plain staright up sci-fi action with a Wakanda front and center as a world leader, with the rest of the world playing catch up to match what Wakanda has done. There would have been new allainces and some friends would now be enemies as Wakanda looks to impose it's will on the world.
Can you imagine seeing the SHIELD protocols on how to take down Wakanda and BP? What kind of team they would put together to do something like this? Can you imagine Black Panther putting together a team to take down the Squadron Supreme(not the Ultimates) ifthey interfered with his plans?
Instead, we're getting stories about rape camps, suicide bombers, advice from petty dictators and a man who doesn't want to be king.
Opportunities missed.[/QUOTE]
Good premise. I would slightly modify it with the following: in light of the world throwing Wakanda to the wolves, many Wakandans would want either payback or a more proactive--and antagonistic--foreign policy.
While T'Challa pushes for the more optimistic approach (the "dragging mankind forward" viewpoint), the opposition, as well as a large segment of Wakandan society, will never trust outsiders again and want Wakanda to play for keeps. The opposition wishes to expand Wakanda's influence, with the belief that a stronger Wakanda is necessary to protect its citizens from cosmic and earthworld threats.
From there, all of the major events in T'Challa's recent publication history play a factor in how people perceive him in Wakanda: working with the Avengers, being in serious relationship with foreign women, defending Wakanda against the skrulls, Doomwar, the annulment, Namor's attack, working with the Illuminati, getting banned from Wakanda, Wakanda's destruction, Shuri's "death," and T'Challa bringing everyone back.
All the characters from this current run are still there, but with slightly different motivations:
-Tetu, Zenzi, and the People are the opposition. When T'Challa continues his policy via having Wakanda work with the Ultimates, they feel that T'Challa is positioning Wakanda in the wrong direction and that the monarchy must go down, with a new status quo set up instead. So determined are they for change in Wakanda's direction that they are willing to employ devious tactics to topple the monarchy. Zenzi uses her powers to bring out the anger of those who feel T'Challa are going the wrong direction, causing massive hysteria. Tetu is willing to use deception and even compromise his beliefs by hiring a foreigner, Stane, to achieve his goal.
-T'Challa continues his "dragging humanity" policy forward from SW #9, believing that it's to the benefit of both Wakanda and the world that Wakanda takes a more leadership role in the world. His recent collaboration with the Ultimate his making headway and is starting to garner support in Wakanda, but it's getting a lot of push back from many, including--secretly--some members of his Dora Milaje who remember the events of New Avengers.
Soon after the events of SW #9, T'Challa finds Shuri's body in the necropolis, trapped between life and death. T'Challa secretly attempts throughout the story to revive her to no avail.
When a multinational project backfires, resulting in loss of Wakandan life, T'Challa now faces unprecedented pushback from a large segment of the Wakandan people and even members of his government. T'Challa uses his intelligence and his political acumen to navigate through the political minefield, a task that is easier said than done. He also has to face the People, who have begun causing havoc in the outskirts of Wakanda, and rumors from his intelligence network that some Dora Milaje are now considering breaking away from his rule.
-Aneka is still the captain of the Dora Milaje. Ayo is her second in command. Aneka tries to keep the dissenting Doras in line, both out of tradition, respect to the throne and, despite previous disagreement between the Doras and T'Challa in NA, a belief that T'Challa's ideas may be the best approach for Wakanda in the long term. Ayo and other Dora Milaje are unsure, but they follow Aneka's lead regardless.
When a multinational project backfires, resulting in loss of Wakandan life including a few Dora Milaje, Aneka and Ayo begin to question if Wakanda's current track is the way to go, resulting in them and several Dora Milaje considering breaking away from the monarchy. Tetu and Zenzi secretly try to recruit Aneka and Ayo, but they initially refuse their offer due to Tetu and Zenzi's reputation for brutal methods. Aneka and Ayo also consider seeking refuge and support from the Jabari tribe, who is against T'Challa's direction for Wakanda.
-Changamire's role more or less stays as it is in the comics. The previous major events and the ongoing social upheaval over where Wakanda should go reaffirms his belief that Wakanda needs a more democratic system and that the Wakandan people need a direct say on how their nation should go. The multinational effort that resulted in Wakandan deaths significantly bolsters his viewpoint in Wakanda.
-Shuri's adventure in the Djalia is more or less the same as in the comics. She learns about Wakanda's past prior to the discovery of vibranium, a discovery that kicked off Wakanda's isolationist policy. She eventually returns and helps T'Challa and the Dora Milaje (who learn the extent of the People's activities) defeat the People and their operations in Wakanda, but her journey as well as the previous events influenced her views where Wakanda should go. She also believes that Wakanda as a collective must be as united as possible before it takes its next steps.
Conclusion: Recognizing the social upheaval, T'Challa decides to reform the Wakandan parliament. Each tribe in Wakanda is represented and each seat is democratically elected. Parliament's power is much greater, able to become a balance to the monarchy. The monarchy is still around and T'Challa is still a king with authority.
The topic of Wakanda's new foreign policy comes to the forefront, now requiring approval from both parliament and the monarchy in order to pass. Shuri and Changamire are chosen by both sides to mediate the debate. Parliament and the monarchy finally agree, resulting in a nuanced blend of both perspectives. Wakanda starts being boldly active--by Wakandan standards--outside of its borders, raising a lot of concern from the outside world and planting the seeds of conflict for season 2.
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Read the new Totally Awesome Hulk with T'Challa and that was badass with the fight between The Wakandan buster and Amadeus cho even though it was mildly brief
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;2318767]Read the new Totally Awesome Hulk with T'Challa and that was badass with the fight between The Wakandan buster and Amadeus cho even though it was mildly brief[/QUOTE]
Forgot it came out today, will give it a look.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2318770]Forgot it came out today, will give it a look.[/QUOTE]
Yes. I think its worth giving it a try at least
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T'challa in the Hulk was just on point, once again. Only thing I don't like is bossy ass Carol once again.
THIS IS HOW YOU USE THE ABSORPTION PROPERTIES COATES! not for goons, for a hulk
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2318796]T'challa in the Hulk was just on point, once again. Only thing I don't like is bossy ass Carol once again.
THIS IS HOW YOU USE THE ABSORPTION PROPERTIES COATES! not for goons, for a hulk[/QUOTE]
I would imagine it scales. His regular suit can handle more street level people like goons, but what he did with his Hulk Buster suit he probably couldn't do with his regular suit. Different set of gear for different set of power levels.
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So are we just gonna have to rely on other writers to give us our T'Challa fix because that Hulk appearance was simply everything. Those brief panels alone were better than anything TNC has done with the character in his own solo book. THIS is the T'Challa I want to read about.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2318843]I would imagine it scales. His regular suit can handle more street level people like goons, but what he did with his Hulk Buster suit he probably couldn't do with his regular suit. Different set of gear for different set of power levels.[/QUOTE]
[B]Ummmmm.... No.. Not a valid excuse at all. Could his normal weave absorb multiple hits from the hulk? No, But it could absorb atleast 1 blow considering T'Challa has taken hits from Hulk before and came out of it fine he has even stopped a car thrown at him by the hulk as well which against he could turn that into energy used against his opponent. So in that theory the Weave could atleast absorb 1 hit from the hulk and turn it back on them, whereas against other opponents that don't have hulk strength it would still obviously make him stronger the more hits he takes, obviously against stronger characters he would use more planning to maximize his effectiveness but lets not preend that regular T'Challa would someone have a problem with Goons. Lets be real here and not try to make excuses/ move goal posts. [/B]
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[QUOTE=Lord Morph;2318859]So are we just gonna have to rely on other writers to give us our T'Challa fix because that Hulk appearance was simply everything. Those brief panels alone were better than anything TNC has done with the character in his own solo book. THIS is the T'Challa I want to read about.[/QUOTE]
That was more than brief, that was a substantial guest appearances. He was in half the pages
And man... the prep, the tech, the conversations with Agent Oh... so much win.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2318864][B]Ummmmm.... No.. Not a valid excuse at all. Could his normal weave absorb multiple hits from the hulk? No, But it could absorb atleast 1 blow considering T'Challa has taken hits from Hulk before and came out of it fine he has even stopped a car thrown at him by the hulk as well which against he could turn that into energy used against his opponent. So in that theory the Weave could atleast absorb 1 hit from the hulk and turn it back on them, whereas against other opponents that don't have hulk strength it would still obviously make him stronger the more hits he takes, obviously against stronger characters he would use more planning to maximize his effectiveness but lets not preend that regular T'Challa would someone have a problem with Goons. Lets be real here and not try to make excuses/ move goal posts. [/B][/QUOTE]
How is what I said a goal post move?
In response to a comment about power absorbtion being used on goons rather than Hulk (which is a very valid arguement I agree with by the way as using it on lower tier opponents potentially replaces skill with gear), I commented on using the character using different sets of gear for opponents of different power levels. It makes sense. That's still within the paramets of the goal as far as I can tell.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2318887]That was more than brief, that was a substantial guest appearances. He was in half the pages
And man... the prep, the tech, the conversations with Agent Oh... so much win.[/QUOTE]
Every comic book smart guy should have a fight against the Hulk at one point or another. It's the perfect forum for showing just what they've got.
You can almost make a contest out of it. Who has the best anti-Hulk tech.
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[B]Just Read TAHulk.... Coates take some notes
[img]http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-10-2014/pfNTgj.gif[/img]
That dialogue, that Scheming, that two steps ahead... That's T'Challa, thats the black panther we all know and recognize, that his how he behaves, he takes on and is prepared for hulk level threats regularly. He doesn't need to call in for help for a bunch of light weights. That is also how you use the Force push... As in, its not just a push that gets over used, but its absorption tech that he can use [U]to absorb and magnify his own attacks further, as in, the hits he took from Hulk where gonna hit hulk harder then what he dished to T'Challa, not including the heavy hit he would already take from T'Challa slamming a panthertron fist in his face [/U]
Thats how Stelfreeze talked about that new ability, and thats is the imagination and creativity i expected from its use and application. It can be used for so much more then what its getting credit for and this issue is a clear reminder of the lack of creativity right now being used at the moment in the BP solo because its being overrun by log narratives and flowery poetry, when it needs to get down to business. Now its not too late and Coates still has a chance to make it happen, but everyday that door gets closer and closer to shutting and its key that he should be making sure that T'Challa is feeling as bad ass as he does in all of his guest appearances and in the Ultimates book.
TAHulk # 10 is truely worth getting for Long time BP fans and those that appreciate the works of Priest, Hudlin, and Liss
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[QUOTE=XPac;2318888]How is what I said a goal post move?
In response to a comment about power absorbtion being used on goons rather than Hulk (which is a very valid arguement I agree with by the way as using it on lower tier opponents potentially replaces skill with gear), I commented on using the character using different sets of gear for opponents of different power levels. It makes sense. That's still within the paramets of the goal as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE]
You said:
[QUOTE]I would imagine it scales. [B]His regular suit can handle more street level people like goons[/B], but what he did with his Hulk Buster suit he probably couldn't do with his regular suit. Different set of gear for different set of power levels. [/QUOTE]
[B]In which this has been provewn to not be the case if we were to look at what types of Hits T'Challa has taken in the past and how he came out after said fights, Tanking hit from the hulk in his regular habit, tanked hits from Namor, multiple hits form iron man, multiple hits from iron fist, tanked hits from a superskrull with Cage + strength, Tanked hits from Doom, Terrax, BD (though off panel, you could see that they had a violent scuffle) I can keep going, but the point is many of those fights he took multiple hits without being taken out of commission and those aren't light hits, IF punches where compared to getting hit by a freight train, so all of those listed are pretty impressive hits to take and be okay. SO, if he had that been using that force push tech in those fights, how well do you think he would of turned out? how much more damage could he have afflicted to his enemies if used in the manner Stelfreeze originally described/ Used in TAH?
That absorption of energy in his microweave isn't for streetlevel/goons, but for anything thats not Class 100 strenght hitting him multiple times and even then it can tank atleast a blow or two of that level stregnth and return it back to the opponent as a way to get a surprise attack on them.
Yet its being excused as if the microweave can only protect against low level opponents hence moving goal posts [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2318923]You said:
[B]In which this has been provewn to not be the case if we were to look at what types of Hits T'Challa has taken in the past and how he came out after said fights, Tanking hit from the hulk in his regular habit, tanked hits from Namor, multiple hits form iron man, multiple hits from iron fist, tanked hits from a superskrull with Cage + strength, Tanked hits from Doom, Terrax, BD (though off panel, you could see that they had a violent scuffle) I can keep going, but the point is many of those fights he took multiple hits without being taken out of commission and those aren't light hits, IF punches where compared to getting hit by a freight train, so all of those listed are pretty impressive hits to take and be okay. SO, if he had that been using that force push tech in those fights, how well do you think he would of turned out? how much more damage could he have afflicted to his enemies if used in the manner Stelfreeze originally described/ Used in TAH?
That absorption of energy in his microweave isn't for streetlevel/goons, but for anything thats not Class 100 strenght hitting him multiple times and even then it can tank atleast a blow or two of that level stregnth and return it back to the opponent as a way to get a surprise attack on them.
Yet its being excused as if the microweave can only protect against low level opponents hence moving goal posts [/B][/QUOTE]
Okay... let's break the things you highlighted.
I said his suit can handle more street level goons... does anyone disagree with that? Anyone believe his regular suit CAN'T handle street level goons? I don't see the problem there.
And the second part of the statement is that what he did with the Hulk buster suit probably can't be done with the regular suit. Again, does anyone disagree with that?
My point being that he uses a different set of gear for different power levels. It simply makes sense to do that. He doesn't need to use the Hulk Buster suit against non-meta humans, but it also makes sense to use higher end gear against higher end opponents. Thats just common sense.
You're arguing like I said his regular suit can't be used against higher level opponents but I never said that. I simply said it makes sense for him to use more advanced gear against more powerful opponents. He could have chosen to confront Cho with his regular suit... but that likely would not have achieved better or even comparable results.
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"The Tempting of Changamire"
[img]http://i.imgur.com/5MNrU8O.jpg[/img]
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Wait, BP was a BEAST in the Hulk book?
Damn...
Gon have to update my BP-IN-Other-Books Power Rankings later today
1. Deadpool 15
2. Captain Marvel 8
3. Spidey 7
4. Ultimates #2
5. Ultimates #10
Hulk-Cho coming for that #1 spot. Hell, might get a clean sweep if it's a 3 issue arc like the solicits imply.
What a time to be alive for non-BP-solo-books-guest-starring-BP! lol
Can't wait to read this
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Thinking of reading Totally Awesome Hulk #10 just by what you guys are saying about the albeit brief appearance of T'Challa. Is prior knowledge of the series needed for this book?
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2318969]"The Tempting of Changamire"
[img]http://i.imgur.com/5MNrU8O.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I wonder if she's using her powers on Changamire.
Funny thing is if that's what's going on, it could theoretically work on the MA too.
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;2318986]Thinking of reading Totally Awesome Hulk #10 just by what you guys are saying about the albeit brief appearance of T'Challa. Is prior knowledge of the series needed for this book?[/QUOTE]
It was more than brief, he was in over half the pages.
Only real prior knowledge needed is that Hawkeye killed Banner, Cho believes he cured banner thus his anger, and that Cho has much much much more control over the Hulk than Banner does.
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Zenzi is good looking, built and half Changmire's age.
You'd think she wouldn't have to do much to warp his will.
But that last panel could go either way.
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So apparently Ms. Marvel's friend Bruno is going to go study in Wakanda for college, at the "Golden City Polytechnic Prep". Shitty name aside, kind of stupid to go to a country in the middle of a civil war for your education. Was the American University of Iraq not available?
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In Ultimates 11, T'challa basically stood around again BUT...
[spoil] Came up with the plan to nearly kill Thanos [/spoil]
not a bad day for T'challa fans
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2318969]"The Tempting of Changamire"
[img]http://i.imgur.com/5MNrU8O.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Yooooooo, wtf lol
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2319000]In Ultimates 11, T'challa basically stood around again BUT...
[spoil] Came up with the plan to nearly kill Thanos [/spoil]
not a bad day for T'challa fans[/QUOTE]
Times are def different now for BP fans. We finally have options.
From the main BP book, to his other appearances in other books, to the cartoons, to the video games, to the movie that's in the pipeline, to the upcoming BP: WoW book.
We no longer are stuck with just one book or one lone medium of BP content. We have much more options now, enough to please the collective BP fandom, new and old.
I hope this trend continues.
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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;2318994]So apparently Ms. Marvel's friend Bruno is going to go study in Wakanda for college, at the "Golden City Polytechnic Prep". Shitty name aside, kind of stupid to go to a country in the middle of a civil war for your education. Was the American University of Iraq not available?[/QUOTE]
People do it though. Don't ask me why but they visit counties in the middle political conflict and it sometimes doesn't end up well.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2318943]Okay... let's break the things you highlighted.
I said his suit can handle more street level goons... does anyone disagree with that? Anyone believe his regular suit CAN'T handle street level goons? I don't see the problem there.
And the second part of the statement is that what he did with the Hulk buster suit probably can't be done with the regular suit. Again, does anyone disagree with that?
My point being that he uses a different set of gear for different power levels. It simply makes sense to do that. He doesn't need to use the Hulk Buster suit against non-meta humans, but it also makes sense to use higher end gear against higher end opponents. Thats just common sense.
You're arguing like I said his regular suit can't be used against higher level opponents but I never said that. I simply said it makes sense for him to use more advanced gear against more powerful opponents. He could have chosen to confront Cho with his regular suit... but that likely would not have achieved better or even comparable results.[/QUOTE]
[B]Thats like Saying the Panthertron can handle street level goons. Its on obvious given, however, saying "His regular suit can handle more street level people like goons" Gives off the impression that Its designed to handle low tier/peak level humans, when his habit has actually withstood all the way up to Cosmic level beings, He was in that group that took on Thanos and he wasn't in the Panthertron, as well as the symbiotes that had Hyperion level strength. So your break down is off, considering he CAN take on the hulk without the Panthertron. Why? Because we have seen multiple on panel showings proving he can withstand hits from class 100 opponents and have seen him fight class 100 opponents without the gear. So your conclusion that he wouldn;t have acheived comparable results is very off considering he has never been seen using this gear until now. Yes it makes sense to use it as we have seen other genius use their own tech/ maybe hulk burster suits to face off against the hulk, but lets not pretend that he hasn't already shown he doesn't need that type of tech to take down the hulk. Thats just an insult to the character and again, moving goal posts.[/B]