Panther would easily make $500 million +. He's one of the most requested heroes for adaption at this point. Plus he's a badass who's cooler than batman! Who wouldn't want to see that?
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Panther would easily make $500 million +. He's one of the most requested heroes for adaption at this point. Plus he's a badass who's cooler than batman! Who wouldn't want to see that?
[QUOTE=robreedwrites;618788]He's the hero. He has to keep fighting. If he gives up, all is lost. He and Hyperion kind of mirror each other in their stories. Both have lost everything. Both keep fighting.[/QUOTE]
I hope something good comes out from this being a hero who has lost everything
Guardians of the Galaxy proves that to me. At this point, the only thing stopping Marvel from making a Black Panther film is Marvel and their plans. Same with Black Widow and Captain Marvel.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Moose100;618205]Why. Marvel can do what they want at this point[/QUOTE]
Well, they do have to deal with Hollywood execs. Keep in mind George Lucas was one of the most successful and famous filmmakers of his generation, but for almost 20yrs Hollywood would not back him in making a movie about the Tuskegee Airmen.
Part of it's Marvel, but I think a large part of it is the Hollywood establishment too.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;618244]Once Ant-Man makes a cool 500 million, all excuses will be gone at this point.
Marvel just has to put something out with "MARVEL" on it and it will make 500 mil[/QUOTE]
And the main reason Ant man is getting made is cuz Edgar Wright kept fighting for it. Marvel was willing to let the project die at one point.
After reading to what happened to Wakanda recently I have been curious about BP so I picked up Secret Invasion and the New Avengers Vol. 1: Everything Dies (I'm loving everything about it) I can even tolerate Steve Rogers lol!
[QUOTE=Dboi654;617983]Okay so I just read the last few new avengers comics again n I jus thought to myself, what does t'challa have left and at this moment, what is the point of fighting. He has lost his uncle and his trusted comrades (zuri & w'kabi), vibranium has been inert, he isn't king anymore, he had a bitter divorce with storm due to the AvX event, him and namor a practically enemies at the point that have problems which can never be reconciled, his ancestors have abandoned him, wakanda has been destroyed (which could mean his step mother is probably dead), shield is after him and shuri is also probably with thanos and the cabal taking over wakanda. this whole thing with the black panther feels hopeless to me. why should he care if the earth 616 is going to be destroyed the incursions. if you ask me, i think he has faced more of a deconstruction story arc than daredevil in the born again story line but at least on daredevil side, he had a bit of hope to bring him back up again. I think t'challa is the one that has lost the most in the whole Illuminati. even when, atlantis got destroyed, he still had few atlanteans that could build it back to how it was but not like wakanda. So why should bp even care anymore? just my own opinion btw[/QUOTE]
You forgot lost his wife to a short Canadian. But Seriously, Since 2005 Panther has been slow walked to OBLIVION. Everything that makes him unique has been stripped away. ( maybe that has been the design modification decided necessary to make the character more Mainstream Friendly)
A non-King, that gets his butt handed to him by everything and everyone. Maybe a name change is in order.
Charlie Brown.
[QUOTE=MichaelC;617999]Blade is a street-level character, and an American(in the movies, anyway). A foreign king protecting an African nation is a much harder sell.[/QUOTE]
But Americans buy millions of hamburgers from a fictional Burger King. lol
/Hyperbolic Exaggeration off
[QUOTE=MichaelC;617999]Blade is a street-level character, and an American(in the movies, anyway). A foreign king protecting an African nation is a much harder sell.[/QUOTE]
Why should it be a hard sell? If it's a hard sell to Americans then the foreign markets may just be an easy sell.
The worst part about all the tearing down of Wakanda is that if history has taught us anything... it STILL won't get Black Panther a legit series that uses the character its best potential.
All it boils down to is just showing how some of the editors and guys in suits can't grasp the concept of a successful advance African nation even in a fictional setting where Latveria, Asgard and previously undiscovered cities of Inhumans scattered around the world exist. But a peaceful African nation where they have good technology that rivals all other countries that is an impossible sell to the public. :(
MASSIVELY disappointed, although I am still enjoying the Avengers/New Avengers books. Hopefully this will be written out and forgotten as quickly as (if not faster then) Doomwar was once the story arc with the Cabal is over.
[QUOTE=ed2962;619016]Well, they do have to deal with Hollywood execs. Keep in mind George Lucas was one of the most successful and famous filmmakers of his generation, but for almost 20yrs Hollywood would not back him in making a movie about the Tuskegee Airmen.
Part of it's Marvel, but I think a large part of it is the Hollywood establishment too.[/QUOTE]
Marvel/Disney is half committal and Hollywood just doesn't want to change with the times
[QUOTE=Silvermoth;618855]Panther would easily make $500 million +. He's one of the most requested heroes for adaption at this point. Plus he's a badass who's cooler than batman! Who wouldn't want to see that?[/QUOTE]
Theres so much there to put on the big screen it just writes itself. Not to mention the thing BP brings to the MU.
[QUOTE=ExcelsiorPrime;619035]You forgot lost his wife to a short Canadian. But Seriously, Since 2005 Panther has been slow walked to OBLIVION. Everything that makes him unique has been stripped away. ( maybe that has been the design modification decided necessary to make the character more Mainstream Friendly)
A non-King, that gets his butt handed to him by everything and everyone. Maybe a name change is in order.
Charlie Brown.
But Americans buy millions of hamburgers from a fictional Burger King. lol
/Hyperbolic Exaggeration off[/QUOTE]
lol...he still had sex with her even though she was with wolverine
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;619581]lol...he still had sex with her even though she was with wolverine
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Tchalla is into that kinky stuff lol
[QUOTE=Dboi654;612006]do people know that the blade trilogy is the highest grossing rated r marvel film.
they rebooted the punisher films twice and none of them didn't even do better than the first blade movie
so why haven't they made a black panther film that is even considered to be more popular than blade? wtf?[/QUOTE]
Probably because BP is not a vampire. :)
But I do get your point. However, I'm not sure if a film company was interested to negotiate with marvel of making a BP movie during those times. Disney would definitely give him his own movie but the question is when.
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[QUOTE=Moose100;619567]Theres so much there to put on the big screen it just writes itself. Not to mention the thing BP brings to the MU.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah if someone asked me which marvel property I can have if I could have any I would say black panther or maybe iron fist as well (but I'm happy with iron fist getting a tv series)
If he wanted one last time before the world ended, I wouldn't go for the person I kicked out of the house. AND if I was the person who got kicked out, I wouldn't let the the offender come back just for some nookie. If I was Ororo, I'd have been like, "Go find one of the Dora's and leave me alone."
My personally feeling though is that T'Challa didn't even have a the worst scene in that issue. I think that honor went to the Beast.
[QUOTE=Smoov-E;619074]Marvel/Disney is half committal and Hollywood just doesn't want to change with the times[/QUOTE]
I think it's encouraging that Disney's first big Marvel project is Big Hero 6 (even though I guess they changed the background of a few characters, it's still an ethnic led film), instead of doing Paladin or Dr Druid or someone.
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My personally feeling though is that T'Challa didn't even have a the worst scene in that issue. I think that honor went to the Beast.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it was either Beast or if that wasn't an artist mistake, Tony for attempting suicide.
If Hickman was "unable" to have Ororo play a positive role in the New Avengers ongoing narrative previously due to alleged X-Office maneuvering, how was he all of a sudden able to have her and T'Challa engage in a bootycall session that demeaned both characters?
The T'Challa/Ororo scene was distasteful in the extreme for the simple fact that we we're led to believe that Hickman could not have Ororo appearing in the NA book due to alleged X-Office needs.
What changed all of a sudden?
[QUOTE=Double 0;620404]Yeah, it was either Beast or if that wasn't an artist mistake, Tony for attempting suicide.[/QUOTE]
my favourite was banner. that was awesome
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;620606]If Hickman was "unable" to have Ororo play a positive role in the New Avengers ongoing narrative previously due to alleged X-Office maneuvering, how was he all of a sudden able to have her and T'Challa engage in a bootycall session that demeaned both characters?[/QUOTE]
Something changed, maybe someone said, "you keep using SHIELD and Avengers so stop being a stingy mofo" or now that she has a solo maybe that free'd her up
I dunno, I'd rather he was shown like having a conversation with Monica back stage at a concert or something
[QUOTE=Double 0;620404]Yeah, it was either Beast or if that wasn't an artist mistake, Tony for attempting suicide.[/QUOTE]
Tony's was probably the most depressing. I think Hank's scene just didn't make sense to me.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;620618]The T'Challa/Ororo scene was distasteful in the extreme for the simple fact that we we're led to believe that Hickman could not have Ororo appearing in the NA book due to alleged X-Office needs.
What changed all of a sudden?[/QUOTE]
i don't think anything changed. It was just a one page hook up. I think if Hickman was using Storm regularly and wanted to show them giving the marriage another chance, then I think editorial would have stepped in.
[QUOTE=Smoov-E;620695]Something changed, maybe someone said, "you keep using SHIELD and Avengers so stop being a stingy mofo" or now that she has a solo maybe that free'd her up
I dunno, I'd rather he was shown like having a conversation with Monica back stage at a concert or something[/QUOTE]
T'Challa should have been shown coming clean to Shuri and the rest of Wakanda about the Incursion threat and the horrors sequetered away in the Necropolis.
Hickman made T'Challa look like a delusionally love sick chump pining after a woman who didn't want him in the first place and who was more than happy to side with mutants over her former subjects.
[QUOTE=ed2962;620727]i don't think anything changed. It was just a one page hook up. I think if Hickman was using Storm regularly and wanted to show them giving the marriage another chance, then I think editorial would have stepped in.[/QUOTE]
It was a one page hook up that totally rubbished the notion that Hickman was precluded from incorporating Ororo into the New Avengers narrative.
[QUOTE=ed2962;620715]Tony's was probably the most depressing. I think Hank's scene just didn't make sense to me.[/QUOTE]
What issue are you guys talking about with suicide and all that?
I just find it distasteful that T'challa and Storm are divorced, yet two of their children are living in the 616. With that being said, it'll definitely be interesting to see what's next for T'challa Post-Secret Wars, because the good thing about being at the lowest of the low is that there is no where to go but up. But my wish if anything is for Hickman to write the next Black Panther ongoing if there is one. Because while he's definitely done some serious deconstruction. His series tend not to get cancelled.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;620741]T'Challa should have been shown coming clean to Shuri and the rest of Wakanda about the Incursion threat and the horrors sequetered away in the Necropolis.
Hickman made T'Challa look like a delusionally love sick chump pining after a woman who didn't want him in the first place and who was more than happy to side with mutants over her former subjects.[/QUOTE]
I'm with you on this
[QUOTE=Wellman;619073]The worst part about all the tearing down of Wakanda is that if history has taught us anything... it STILL won't get Black Panther a legit series that uses the character its best potential.
All it boils down to is just showing how some of the editors and guys in suits can't grasp the concept of a successful advance African nation even in a fictional setting where Latveria, Asgard and previously undiscovered cities of Inhumans scattered around the world exist. But a peaceful African nation where they have good technology that rivals all other countries that is an impossible sell to the public. :(
MASSIVELY disappointed, although I am still enjoying the Avengers/New Avengers books. Hopefully this will be written out and forgotten as quickly as (if not faster then) Doomwar was once the story arc with the Cabal is over.[/QUOTE]
I feel exactly the same. While I'm also enjoying the book I'm getting sick of the deconstruction.
[QUOTE=Nyro;609708]Just finished watching marvel disk wars ep 29(Black Panther first appearance in it).
Don't waste your time watching it.
They chumped him out.
Oh and I loved how 90% of wakandans were barefoot/sarcasm.
Only thing they got slightly correct was wakanda itself.[/QUOTE]
That's disappointing.
[QUOTE=Moose100;620793]What issue are you guys talking about with suicide and all that?[/QUOTE]
I forget the number, but the one right before the time jump. When they all give up and everyone is going their separate ways. You see Tony with the iron man glove about to blast himself in the face.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;620741]T'Challa should have been shown coming clean to Shuri and the rest of Wakanda about the Incursion threat and the horrors sequetered away in the Necropolis.[/quote]
I would like to see the scene that leads up to a couple issues ago as that heart to heart with Shuri came since they had been working together and they acted like they hadn't missed a beat in teaming up
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;620741]Hickman made T'Challa look like a delusionally love sick chump pining after a woman who didn't want him in the first place and who was more than happy to side with mutants over her former subjects.[/QUOTE]
I see why he did it but I don't agree with it
And issue #23 of New Avengers is the issue we're talking about
Does anyone here think shuri is dead because this is just sad and depressing. All the stuff t'challa have been through during dark reign, doomwar, avx andthe all of a sudden this. I wasn't a big fan of her but this actually got me a bit emotional. she might actually join her ancestors along with her dad. :(. do you think t'challa will kill proxima for this if she is actually dead?
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ssue #23. After failing to stop the incursions, the Illuminati go to make peace with themselves and wait for the end. We see Tony pour shots the length of the whole bar and try to resist the urge to drink them all. Then there's a panel where he's got his glove on it looks like it's giving off energy while he's hold his head with the same hand.
It's not 100% clear what's going on there, but it's possible to infer Tony was either torturing himself over his guilt or was going to end it all right at the moment of the Incursion.
I doubt Shuri is dead. No body, no death. But that is probably me wanting her not to be dead, more than certainty she is alive :(
Spending your last day on Earth with the woman you wanted to spend the rest of your life with is hardly unreasonable. You just been rejected by everyone you cared about for doing the right thing. Sounds like a man who wanted something for himself.
This story is far from over, and knowing Hickman, it's going to take awhile before s**t hits the fan. But I think BP is going to be front and center when it happens.
[QUOTE=ed2962;621091]ssue #23. After failing to stop the incursions, the Illuminati go to make peace with themselves and wait for the end. We see Tony pour shots the length of the whole bar and try to resist the urge to drink them all. Then there's a panel where he's got his glove on it looks like it's giving off energy while he's hold his head with the same hand.
It's not 100% clear what's going on there, but it's possible to infer Tony was either torturing himself over his guilt or was going to end it all right at the moment of the Incursion.[/QUOTE]
As far as Tony's attempted suicide, I think it's about as clear as we can do in this type of book. I mean the repulsor literally starts "vmm"ing which is it's sound effect for preparing to fire.
I do think Shuri is dead. I just don't see how she makes it out of that situation, from a tone/narrative standpoint (in other words, from a feats standpoint, Shuri could probably come out on top, but from the story Hickman's telling, she's likely toast). I think T'Challa's "King of the Dead" status may present an out later, but that's probably just me hoping.
[QUOTE=Double 0;621216]This story is far from over, and knowing Hickman, it's going to take awhile before s**t hits the fan. But I think BP is going to be front and center when it happens.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, we are only in the middle of the story. Things are supposed to be gloomy. We are supposed to believe that the hero has no hope. I kind of hope tjat we.see.a.wakanda rebuilt by those that they turned their doors to,
[QUOTE=mbeezy561;620794]I just find it distasteful that T'challa and Storm are divorced, yet two of their children are living in the 616. With that being said, it'll definitely be interesting to see what's next for T'challa Post-Secret Wars, because the good thing about being at the lowest of the low is that there is no where to go but up. But my wish if anything is for Hickman to write the next Black Panther ongoing if there is one. Because while he's definitely done some serious deconstruction. His series tend not to get cancelled.[/QUOTE]
Distasteful?
People get divorced. They also get back together.
Who knows what happened in the timeline that Kymera and Azzri came from? Most likely they are
from 2 separate timelines anyway.
As far as deconstruction goes, Tchalla is no worse off than Namor or Captain Britain.
Otherworld got the crap blown out of it off panel.
I am catching up on BP via the trades. I did not think his life could get any worse than the near extermination of Wakanda, and the loss of Shuri.
Is Hunter presumed dead as well?
Writers really need to stop killing off BP's world. Just imagine Spider-Man without his supporting characters.
I do hope BP starts kicking butt again.
I do hope this "thing" with Storm is done with. Alternate time line babies......are just that.....alternate time line babies.