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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;2986894]Looking over the thread I can't find anyone arguing in favor of having ties in space INSTEAD of living in Wakanda, but in ADDITION to living in Wakanda. In fact looks like that distinction has been pointed out a few times. To that end why not have Wakanda/Wakandans with fingers in multiple pies? Wakanda will still exist and flourish and even be better with space stations/explorations.[/QUOTE]
I don't think this is an all or nothing sort of thing.
I think everyone agrees space exploration is fine. I think most if not all of us can see the practical usefulness of some space stations. But when you get into the issue of creatining colonies in the thousands or even millions, the question sort of becomes "why." Taking into considering the resources needed and the risks involved, is it worth it just so thousands of Wakandans can have another place to hang besides Wakanda? That's where I think a bit more justification is needed to get from point A to point B.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2986905]I don't think this is an all or nothing sort of thing.
I think everyone agrees space exploration is fine. I think most if not all of us can see the practical usefulness of some space stations. But when you get into the issue of creatining colonies in the thousands or even millions, the question sort of becomes "why." Taking into considering the resources needed and the risks involved, is it worth it just so thousands of Wakandans can have another place to hang besides Wakanda? That's where I think a bit more justification is needed to get from point A to point B.[/QUOTE]
So you would agree with the Vulcans that humans need not leave the established systems because its too dangerous and risky.(Enterprise TV show if you haven't seen it)
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[QUOTE=Cville;2986920]So you would agree with the Vulcans that humans need not leave there solar system because its too dangerous and risky.(Enterprise TV show if you haven't seen it)[/QUOTE]
Again, there's a difference between exploring and colonization.
If in the Enterprise time period they decided to have 92% of earths population live on another planet just for the heck of it, I'd probably argue that was a bad idea too.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2986933]Again, there's a difference between exploring and colonization.
If in the Enterprise time period they decided to have 92% of earths population live on another planet just for the heck of it, I'd probably argue that was a bad idea too.[/QUOTE]
Six million is not six billion. If Wakanda discovered five planets and colonized each with a million leaving a million on earth and established trade routes between each one, I don't see the problem.
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[QUOTE=Cville;2986947]Six million is not six billion. If Wakanda discovered five planets and colonized each with a million leaving a million on earth and established trade routes between each one, I don't see the problem.[/QUOTE]
If 90% of the population of Wakanda would choose not to live there, what does that say about Wakanda?
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[QUOTE=XPac;2986987]If 90% of the population of Wakanda would choose not to live there, what does that say about Wakanda?[/QUOTE]
We're a better civilization than everyone else on the planet and got tired of their BS?
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[QUOTE=XPac;2986756]I don't think there's any push back on the idea of exploration. Again, I think the questionable aspect is the idea of them deciding to colonize in outer space. Colonization and exploration arent' the same thing.
Wakanda, as far as I can tell, hasn't shown a whole lot of interest in expanding outside of Wakanda when they obviously could have. If they're not even willing to colonize outside of it's borders, then I'm not sure why one would assume they would suddenly want to leave Wakanda in large numbers and live in outer space.[/QUOTE]
Space exploration isn't advanced in the Marvel universe. It's near pedestrian. The MU teams with alien life. Wakandan science should be about bigger things. A field that would make sense for Wakandan science to me is to evolve themselves to Super Soldier level . This is a warrior nation with an isolationist history. The drive for self improvement would be high.
Not saying that Wakanda would never have a space program, but I see them achieving like this a century ago.
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This thread amuses me to no end sometimes.
Wakanda us the most technologically and spiritually advanced nation on MU earth so there's absolutely no reason why they wouldn't be interested in turning their eyes to space exploration, discovery and colonization of planets within and beyond our solar system.
We're talking about a fictional comicbook universe where all kinds of incredible things can and have happened and some choose to stay stuck on the mundane.
The level of cognitive dissonance is astounding to say the least.
Black Panther's mythos is full of so much rich texture and unexplored territory that begs to be delved into in more depth.
Why there's so much pushback against this is beyond me to be frank.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2986987]If 90% of the population of Wakanda would choose not to live there, [B]what does that say about Wakanda?[/B][/QUOTE]
It might be lets get away from Rape Camps that suddenly popped up and leave before the X-Men get the kingdom Katrina again.
A city with educated black men seem to intimidate them as Prodigy * Eli Bradley will tell you.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2986905]I don't think this is an all or nothing sort of thing.[/QUOTE]
Yet:
[QUOTE=XPac;2986933]Again, there's a difference between exploring and colonization.
If in the Enterprise time period they decided to have [B]92%[/B] of earths population live on another planet just for the heck of it, I'd probably argue that was a bad idea too.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=XPac;2986987]If [B]90%[/B] of the population of Wakanda would choose not to live there, what does that say about Wakanda?[/QUOTE]
...so what are you saying exactly? Or rather I should ask where in the world are you getting this huge percentage from? Why would the majority of Wakandans leave for colonization (90%!?) as opposed to 5% or less? Where is that number coming from?
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2987022]This thread amuses me to no end sometimes.
Wakanda us the most technologically and spiritually advanced nation on MU earth so there's absolutely no reason why they wouldn't be interested in turning their eyes to space exploration, discovery and colonization of planets within and beyond our solar system.
We're talking about a fictional comicbook universe where all kinds of incredible things can and have happened and some choose to stay stuck on the mundane.
The level of cognitive dissonance is astounding to say the least.
Black Panther's mythos is full of so much rich texture and unexplored territory that begs to be delved into in more depth.
Why there's so much pushback against this is beyond me to be frank.[/QUOTE]
Honestly its coming off as there needs to be plateaus even for FICTIONAL black people. Its kinda weird.
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;2987052]Yet:
...so what are you saying exactly? Or rather I should ask where in the world are you getting this huge percentage from? Why would the majority of Wakandans leave for colonization (90%!?) as opposed to 5% or less? Where is that number coming from?[/QUOTE]
Like I said in an earlier response, I got those percentages specifically from Cville. He suggested 5.5 million of what he speculated was the 6 million Wakandan population would live in space.
Of you'really asking why a large portion of the population would leave for outer space, then join the club ... I've essentially been asking that the entire conversation.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2987178]Like I said in an earlier response, I got those percentages specifically from Cville. He suggested 5.5 million of what he speculated was the 6 million Wakandan population would live in space.
Of you'really asking why a large portion of the population would leave for outer space, then join the club ... I've essentially been asking that the entire conversation.[/QUOTE]
Don't ever change XPac.
You totally rock. :)
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;2987055]Honestly its coming off as there needs to be plateaus even for FICTIONAL black people. Its kinda weird.[/QUOTE]
It's is what it is my bro.
Even in fantasy settings some insist on seeing us as being less than. Lol!
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[QUOTE=Cville;2987002]We're a better civilization than everyone else on the planet and got tired of their BS?[/QUOTE]
Lol. Well, that's has been their policy for awhile:)
The idea of an advanced human civilization moving to space is not new. The Inhumans did it awhile ago and are doing similar now. I barely keep track of them currently, so someone else can elaborate on that.
I believe the Inhumans may their previous exploration into space to pursue their Kree origins and birthright.
If Vibranium was still inert, after the bull if AVX and the Incursions, I could see a strong movement for packing their bags and reclaiming their birthright of vibranium.
Quite frankly, I would have more interest in a switch to expansionist philosophy on Earth . Thereby creating situation that would not let a thing like Doomwar,AVX, or the betrayal by the UN evr hahppen again.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2987022]This thread amuses me to no end sometimes.
Wakanda us the most technologically and spiritually advanced nation on MU earth so there's absolutely no reason why they wouldn't be interested in turning their eyes to space exploration, discovery and colonization of planets within and beyond our solar system.
We're talking about a fictional comicbook universe where all kinds of incredible things can and have happened and some choose to stay stuck on the mundane.
The level of cognitive dissonance is astounding to say the least.
Black Panther's mythos is full of so much rich texture and unexplored territory that begs to be delved into in more depth.
Why there's so much pushback against this is beyond me to be frank.[/QUOTE]
what I'm confused. people are pushing back on wakandans and space exploration? why??? if anything the most advanced nation would be leading this endeavor.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2987178]Like I said in an earlier response, [B]I got those percentages specifically from Cville. He suggested 5.5 million of what he speculated was the 6 million Wakandan population would live in space.
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Of you'really asking why a large portion of the population would leave for outer space, then join the club ... I've essentially been asking that the entire conversation.[/QUOTE]
Meanwhile other posters have suggested a much smaller number yet you cling to that 90% as though it's the consensus number.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;2987488]what I'm confused. people are pushing back on wakandans and space exploration? why??? if anything the most advanced nation would be leading this endeavor.[/QUOTE]
Hey BK, don't be confused. It's the typical response when just about any idea of using Wakanda tech and expertise to move outside of it's confined box is brought up.
Hello btw. :cool:
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2986872]I'm confident it won't happen either way since I'm doubtful Coates will write a story where Wakandans colonize space. But I can't think of a people with more pride of country than Wakandans. I don't see them as the type to think "I want to live somewhere else." That's still the part I don't follow.[/QUOTE]
You're thinking with the wrong reason. It's got nothing to do with satisfaction or dissatisfaction with where they live or their identity. If T'Challa is a scientific adventurer, then why wouldn't he want to explore the universe. We've already established that Wakanda has a science team and a space program. It's the next logical progression to want to explore space and colonization would be a part of it.
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;2986894][B]Looking over the thread I can't find anyone arguing in favor of having ties in space INSTEAD of living in Wakanda, but in ADDITION to living in Wakanda. In fact looks like that distinction has been pointed out a few times.[/B] To that end why not have Wakanda/Wakandans with fingers in multiple pies? Wakanda will still exist and flourish and even be better with space stations/explorations.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, you hit the nail on the head. I don't see why that's such a hard concept to grasp.
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Wakanda in space could set up new enemies for BP.
That Vibernanium had to come from somewhere. Imagine alien enemies added to T'Challa's roster!
Though, I wouldn't want Coates to write it....
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;2987488]what I'm confused. people are pushing back on wakandans and space exploration? why??? if anything the most advanced nation would be leading this endeavor.[/QUOTE]
I understand and sympathise with your confusion my friend but alas, it would appear that some can come up with a thousand and one flimsy justifications for the emergence of misogynistic rape camps within the borders of the most technologically and spiritually advanced nation in the MU before considering the much more plausible fact that said society would be more likely to be natural born explorers of the unknown.
It's no accident that Coates non afro-futurism appreciating self would be so appealing to the segment of readership that are more comfortable with a Wakanda rendered mundane by a writers inability to visualise anything outside of his comfort zone.
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[QUOTE=Blanks;2987680]Wakanda in space could set up new enemies for BP.
That Vibernanium had to come from somewhere. Imagine alien enemies added to T'Challa's roster!
Though, I wouldn't want Coates to write it....[/QUOTE]
No worries there.
Coates wouldn't even want to write such a story unless he could craft it in such a way as to portray T'Challa and Wakanda as being inferior. Lol!
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;2987055]Honestly its coming off as there needs to be plateaus even for FICTIONAL black people. Its kinda weird.[/QUOTE]
That's a little uncharitable. I have no doubt that Wakanda could colonize space if they wanted to. They could also conquer their continent if they wanted to. My thought is this: you look at the conditions that fostered colonization in history and we're talking about overcrowding with lack of economic opportunities or we're talking about fleeing persecution. To me, none of those things apply to Wakanda at its worst. And I don't think those who want to see Wakanda colonize space want to see that. To me, Wakandans have too much pride in Wakanda and I don't get the desire to set up a Wakanda removed from Africa.
I also don't see Wakanda as imperialists (to separate imperialism from colonization, colonization is about settlement, imperialism is about economic exploitation of a people in an area - think the British Raj compared to the North American colonies). Here, I'm drawing from Reginald Hudlin's run where they clearly thought themselves too enlightened to have such thoughts.
[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;2987414]
The idea of an advanced human civilization moving to space is not new. The Inhumans did it awhile ago and are doing similar now. I barely keep track of them currently, so someone else can elaborate on that.
I believe the Inhumans may their previous exploration into space to pursue their Kree origins and birthright.[/quote]
Just to fill you in, the Inhuman race hasn't left. A couple of Inhumans left. It's the difference between exploration and colonization. The rest, sadly, appear to be in Secret Empire concentration camps right now so that would have fit my model of fleeing persecution if they had an opportunity to leave. They previously left to go to the moon to flee essentially a plague caused by Earth's pollution. They did leave (I want to say Realm of Kings) because of some prophecy where they then conquered the Kree Empire but that was a weird mix of scripture, heritage, imperialism, and revenge.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2987022]This thread amuses me to no end sometimes.
Wakanda us the most technologically and spiritually advanced nation on MU earth so there's absolutely no reason why they wouldn't be interested in turning their eyes to space exploration, discovery and colonization of planets within and beyond our solar system. [/quote]
Let me once again clarify that I have no qualms whatsoever with space exploration and discovery. That part makes total sense. But it's the "technologically and spiritually advanced" part that makes me think it doesn't make sense. Now maybe the well was poisoned when there were suggestions of a near mass exodus that I thought were completely implausible, but I think my criticisms apply across the board.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2987612]You're thinking with the wrong reason. It's got nothing to do with satisfaction or dissatisfaction with where they live or their identity. If T'Challa is a scientific adventurer, then why wouldn't he want to explore the universe. We've already established that Wakanda has a science team and a space program. It's the next logical progression to want to explore space and colonization would be a part of it.[/QUOTE]
I disagree with exploration and colonization going hand in hand. Exploration is the government (or private entities) sponsoring scientific endeavor. Colonization is primarily about finding people who want to leave so they can go live in a distant, foreign, and dangerous land.
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I think the argument is not that Wakanda wouldn't explore space as much as that they shouldn't be imperialists ( I think).
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To a degree, that's my point. But also that Wakandans wouldn't want to leave Wakanda. There's a bigger difference between exploration and colonization. The former I'd love to see them do.
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Here's what I don't get.
Is anyone actually suggesting that Wakandans would be leaving their ancestral homeland for the stars enmasse?
Exploration is all about discovering new horizons, places and resource which is where the colonization aspect comes in.
Centuries ago, Europeans ventured from their respective nations to go discover new lands.
They then settled in those lands, carved out niches for themselves before then going on to dominate the peoples who were already inhabiting said lands and began to removed their "new" territories into something resembling the lands they'd ventured forth originally.
Are people actually arguing that those original Europeans would've been honor bound to stay their ass's at home just because?
Wakandan explorers could essentially about travelling far and wide out into the cosmos to seek out hitherto undiscovered resources which would invariably strengthen Wakanda back home on Earth whilst providing the Wakandan people with an opportunity to extend their influence well beyond their home world.
There's no logical reason why this would be a concept not worthy of exploration (pardon the pun) within the pages of a Black Panther book written to full futuristic potential
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2987587]Meanwhile other posters have suggested a much smaller number yet you cling to that 90% as though it's the consensus number.[/QUOTE]
I'm largely discussing the opinions which state a large portion of the population should decide to live in outer space, because that's the opinion I don't find believable.
Again, I don't think anyone, myself included, is against space exploration or building space stations.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2987612]You're thinking with the wrong reason. It's got nothing to do with satisfaction or dissatisfaction with where they live or their identity. If T'Challa is a scientific adventurer, then why wouldn't he want to explore the universe. We've already established that Wakanda has a science team and a space program. It's the next logical progression to want to explore space and colonization would be a part of it.[/QUOTE]
Again, you're making the notion of exploration and colonization interchangable and they're not.
No one is disagreeing with you about exploring the universe. T'Challa himself made it clear science is one of the reasons why he wants to be a super hero, and we're seeing him do a good deal of space travel with the Ultimates. Space exploration for Avengers is often a part of the job description.
Colonization is another matter entirely. That's not necessarily a logical progression of anything he's said or done up to this point. There's no indication, to my recollection at least, that T'Challa seems interested in finding other places in outer space for Wakandans to live in.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2987741]To a degree, that's my point. But also that Wakandans wouldn't want to leave Wakanda. There's a bigger difference between exploration and colonization. The former I'd love to see them do.[/QUOTE]
I think the biggest indicator that this is something the Wakandans don't seem interested in doing is simply that they haven't.
If they're far more advanced than other nations, they easily should have had the means of not only exploring the rest of the world but colonizing it as well before their european counterparts. We don't see Wakandan colonies in Asia or South America or Australia. They likely had the means do to so but they lacked the need or the will. If they weren't interested in having a Wakandan colony on say North America, why assume they'd want a Wakandan colony on Mars?
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[QUOTE=XPac;2987857]I think the biggest indicator that this is something the Wakandans don't seem interested in doing is simply that they haven't.
If they're far more advanced than other nations, they easily should have had the means of not only exploring the rest of the world but colonizing it as well before their european counterparts. We don't see Wakandan colonies in Asia or South America or Australia. They likely had the means do to so but they lacked the need or the will. If they weren't interested in having a Wakandan colony on say North America, why assume they'd want a Wakandan colony on Mars?[/QUOTE]
Because there are already people living in those places. All my post have been about uninhabited planets. And I imagine it is a process that takes several decades. Not "we found a new planet let's all go there". So by say the year 2200 they established colonies on multiple planets. But current comics could start the process.
All my post about 5 million colonizing is simply to state that they could leave and a standard BP story would be unaffected. That is from a writers standpoint.
But if Tchalla invented a stargates and was able to transport millions of Wakandans to safe planets over the course of a year, I wouldn't mind. They are still Wakandan no matter where they go and can still travel back and forth. Bast will still be with them because if Thor can travel the universe I'm sure she can too.
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[QUOTE=Cville;2988001]Because there are already people living in those places. All my post have been about uninhabited planets. And I imagine it is a process that takes several decades. Not "we found a new planet let's all go there". So by say the year 2200 they established colonies on multiple planets. But current comics could start the process.
All my post about 5 million colonizing is simply to state that they could leave and a standard BP story would be unaffected. That is from a writers standpoint.
But if Tchalla invented a stargates and was able to transport millions of Wakandans to safe planets over the course of a year, I wouldn't mind. They are still Wakandan no matter where they go and can still travel back and forth. Bast will still be with them because if Thor can travel the universe I'm sure she can too.[/QUOTE]
If Wakanda got a big jump technologically wise on the Europeans, then there are plenty of places in the world where Wakanda could have colonized before Europeans eventually did. Continents are BIG places with lots and lots on uninhabited areas. If they had the means and they didn't do it, then they didn't either didn't need to, didn't want to, or all of the above.
And truthfully if there's are planets out there capable of sustaining human life, then there's probably already life on those worlds too. But that's speaking purely in theory.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2988008]If Wakanda got a big jump technologically wise on the Europeans, then there are plenty of places in the world where Wakanda could have colonized before Europeans eventually did. Continents are BIG places with lots and lots on uninhabited areas. If they had the means and they didn't do it, then they didn't either didn't need to, didn't want to, or all of the above.
And truthfully if there's are planets out there capable of sustaining human life, then there's probably already life on those worlds too. But that's speaking purely in theory.[/QUOTE]
You realize all places Europeans went already had people living in those areas. Even then islands. Any places that didn't were probably unsuited for human life.
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[QUOTE=Cville;2988017]You realize all places Europeans went already had people living in those areas. Even then islands. Any places that didn't were probably unsuited for human life.[/QUOTE]
Sure a lot of the continents had people on it... but that's not to say there wasnt' PLENTY of land to create a Wakandan colony in if they wanted to. The North American continent for example is pretty darn big. There's PLENTY of land and resources to create a colony without encroaching on any indiginous people.
And your argument about places without life probably being unsuited for human life realisitcally would apply to planets too. Just saying.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2988029]Sure a lot of the continents had people on it... but that's not to say there wasnt' PLENTY of land to create a Wakandan colony in if they wanted to. The North American continent for example is pretty darn big. There's PLENTY of land and resources to create a colony without encroaching on any indiginous people.
And your argument about places without life probably being unsuited for human life realisitcally would apply to planets too. Just saying.[/QUOTE]
I also said they would be safe.
Which areas in NA?
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;2987055]Honestly its coming off as there needs to be plateaus even for FICTIONAL black people. Its kinda weird.[/QUOTE]
Can't be better said..
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[QUOTE=Cville;2988059]I also said they would be safe.
Which areas in NA?
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ANY area really. Again, there's a VAST amount of territory there. That map for example shows only one group in California. There's more than that by far, but the point being in California alone they could probably stick half a dozen Wakandan colonies and STILL leave 90% of the land essentialy unoccupied.
And this is comic books... if they set up on another planet they are NOT going to be safe. Just saying.
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[QUOTE=4sake Baned;2988080]Can't be better said..[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's JUST fictional black people. If someone suggested people that 92% of the people in France should decide to leave earth and live in outer space, I'd find that idea somewhat unbelievable too.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2987712]That's a little uncharitable. I have no doubt that Wakanda could colonize space if they wanted to. They could also conquer their continent if they wanted to. My thought is this: you look at the conditions that fostered colonization in history and we're talking about overcrowding with lack of economic opportunities or we're talking about fleeing persecution. To me, none of those things apply to Wakanda at its worst. And I don't think those who want to see Wakanda colonize space want to see that. To me, Wakandans have too much pride in Wakanda and I don't get the desire to set up a Wakanda removed from Africa.
I also don't see Wakanda as imperialists (to separate imperialism from colonization, colonization is about settlement, imperialism is about economic exploitation of a people in an area - think the British Raj compared to the North American colonies). Here, I'm drawing from Reginald Hudlin's run where they clearly thought themselves too enlightened to have such thoughts.[/QUOTE]
See...I'm honestly not sure how to feel about arguments like this cause they feel like a strawman. They can't explore space or set up space stations cause they'd come off as imperialists or conquerors? And...you're serious? How come Star Trek did this for multiple iterations and didn't come off as imperialists or conquerors, but SUDDENLY when we talk about a technologically and SPIRITUALLY advanced African nation that's the only logical outcome to THEM exploring space?
No, my "weird even fictional black people have plateaus" comment is an accurate description here, cause this is coming out of nowhere and based on, well, nothing. The only person, that I or anyone can think of, who *might* do something so stupid is perhaps Coates but he's not interested in taking BP/Wakanda in space so its a moot point. Just like that bizarre brain-drain idea (90% or more of Wakanda leaving) this doesn't make any sense.
[QUOTE]Let me once again clarify that I have no qualms whatsoever with space exploration and discovery. That part makes total sense. But it's the "technologically and spiritually advanced" part that makes me think it doesn't make sense. Now maybe the well was poisoned when there were suggestions of a near mass exodus that I thought were completely implausible, but I think my criticisms apply across the board.[/QUOTE]
So being "technologically and spiritually advanced" makes one want to stay put. Wait...huh? Again, Star Trek was technologically advanced and they set out to find "new life and new civilizations" and "to boldly go where no [one] has gone before". Spiritually, they had a pacifist mindset for the most part, the ones from Earth, constant peacekeeping endeavors until later stories added intrigue and such. Heck they don't even use money. By your logic the humans in Star Trek should have stayed put once they achieved technological and spiritual advancement.
Rich people don't say "well I have enough money I'm good". Attaining things doesn't mean you sit on your laurels. Its about the journey not the destination. I can't believe this has to be explained to people when it suddenly comes to BP/Wakanda going into space. They'd want to explore BECAUSE they've mastered everything and want a new challenge. And their spiritually will give them a great foundation to tackle any new situation, benign or malicious.
[QUOTE]I disagree with exploration and colonization going hand in hand. Exploration is the government (or private entities) sponsoring scientific endeavor. Colonization is primarily about finding people who want to leave so they can go live in a distant, foreign, and dangerous land.[/QUOTE]
It's also fiction and can mean whatever the writer at the time want it to mean. It doesn't have to be a verbatim copy of real life examples, which I'm guessing is where you got Wakanda suddenly becoming conquistadors from.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2988109]ANY area really. Again, there's a VAST amount of territory there. That map for example shows only one group in California. There's more than that by far, but the point being in California alone they could probably stick half a dozen Wakandan colonies and STILL leave 90% of the land essentialy unoccupied.
And this is comic books... if they set up on another planet they are NOT going to be safe. Just saying.[/QUOTE]
As safe as living in Wakanda post Hudlin.