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[QUOTE=XPac;3694533]I think you could say that he was depressed in the first season. A faiked marriage and a dead sister wikl do that. But he seemed good the second, essentially getting all of the above back by that point.[/QUOTE]
There were glimmers during the second arc. Talking with the former panthers and punching Stane trhough the portal are the only two moments I liked. The rest was pretty monotone.
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[I]i just starting reading the 3rd book of the priest tpbs. the first 2 part story about t'challa being old were fantastic! i know you all must have discussed this before, but i just had to say, what a fantastic writer and story.[/I]
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Black Panther Vol. 1 #4 - [i][/i]
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This story starts with another robot attacking T'Challa. T'Challa holds him off for awhile until Mr. Little randomly uses an object to defeat the thing. Mr. Little was able to read the inscription to figure out there was an ancient disintegrator ray. Luckily for me, T'Challa is about as fed up with the Collectors bullshit as I am and he snatches the thing away from Mr. Little. Then Princess Zanda tries to grab the frogs and T'Challa tosses them away too. This causes an earthquake and a cave-in. Luckily, Mr. Little directs them to a room he saw on a map with a flame chariot inside.
They enter Princess Zanda's ship and she holds them captive. Then a sammurai attacks T'Challa. Anyway, after that the Collectors ask T'Challa to do something and he says no and the issue ends. I mean, I'm sure he'll change his mind next issue, but that was an odd and sudden way to end things.
This was a dumb issue. Definitely my least favorite so far.
Incidentally, Daredevil #603 today has an ad for a T-Shirt in Target that has the cover of Black Panther #2 on it. While I'm not a fan of the story, I really like Kirby's design for the Six-Million Year Man.
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[I]thank you for doing these write ups, it sure brings back good memories..even if the stories were not that good compared to today's standards. i look forward to you doing more.[/I]
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3696526][I]i just starting reading the 3rd book of the priest tpbs. the first 2 part story about t'challa being old were fantastic! i know you all must have discussed this before, but i just had to say, what a fantastic writer and story.[/I][/QUOTE]
[B]No problem at all. Eventually we circle back to the same topics lol.
So far what had been your favorite story?[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3696688][B]No problem at all. Eventually we circle back to the same topics lol.
So far what had been your favorite story?[/B][/QUOTE]
[I]it is hard to pick out a favorite story. i am actually loving them more than i thought i would.
you have to understand something, these are stories i prayed for when i was a kid. after reading avengers 115, i yearned for more t'challa being the main hero in the story /you cannot imagine my excitement when i saw the cover to avengers 126!/
ross saying in one of his thought bubbles that t'challa was a nobody /"he thought"/, and a hero that was just someone to "just fetch tea" for the rest of the avengers bothered me greatly, but it was true. that is how marvel treated him for years.
in fantastic four #53 stan lee laid the grown work for the priest stories that were decades in the making. its sad that it took this long for t'challa's worth to be recognized.
but to answer your question and to stop rambling; each story has been my favorite story. enemy of the state 2, with the og t'chaka looking like, and talking like a kirby hero has made me laugh my ass off more than one. i am excited to read more tomorrow![/I]
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3696590]Black Panther Vol. 1 #4 - [i][/i]
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This story starts with another robot attacking T'Challa. T'Challa holds him off for awhile until Mr. Little randomly uses an object to defeat the thing. Mr. Little was able to read the inscription to figure out there was an ancient disintegrator ray. Luckily for me, T'Challa is about as fed up with the Collectors bullshit as I am and he snatches the thing away from Mr. Little. Then Princess Zanda tries to grab the frogs and T'Challa tosses them away too. This causes an earthquake and a cave-in. Luckily, Mr. Little directs them to a room he saw on a map with a flame chariot inside.
They enter Princess Zanda's ship and she holds them captive. Then a sammurai attacks T'Challa. Anyway, after that the Collectors ask T'Challa to do something and he says no and the issue ends. I mean, I'm sure he'll change his mind next issue, but that was an odd and sudden way to end things.
This was a dumb issue. Definitely my least favorite so far.
Incidentally, Daredevil #603 today has an ad for a T-Shirt in Target that has the cover of Black Panther #2 on it. While I'm not a fan of the story, I really like Kirby's design for the Six-Million Year Man.[/QUOTE]
This whole run is dumb so far.
If this was Kirby's "true vision for BP" then thank god McGregor got to him first (kind of).
This T'challa is nothing like those original F4 issues. He is even more inept than Roy's version.
Each issue feels redundant. Go somewhere in Little Tech, monster, tchalla attacks, gets good hit, doesn't take monster down, saved my Little, T'challa moans and complains a lot.
I feel like Kirby just wanted to draw some monsters and scenery with cool treasure and just used T'challa because he was available.
I put kirby at the very bottom of my "BP writers" list last time I posted one and so far this is all just confirming what I thought of it.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3696980]This whole run is dumb so far.
If this was Kirby's "true vision for BP" then thank god McGregor got to him first (kind of).
This T'challa is nothing like those original F4 issues. He is even more inept than Roy's version.
Each issue feels redundant. Go somewhere in Little Tech, monster, tchalla attacks, gets good hit, doesn't take monster down, saved my Little, T'challa moans and complains a lot.
I feel like Kirby just wanted to draw some monsters and scenery with cool treasure and just used T'challa because he was available.
I put kirby at the very bottom of my "BP writers" list last time I posted one and so far this is all just confirming what I thought of it.[/QUOTE]
I heard he didn't want to write it at all. He felt his work on FF was enough and didn't have anything else to add. That is why he left after 12 issues?
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[QUOTE=Cville;3697063]I heard he didn't want to write it at all. He felt his work on FF was enough and didn't have anything else to add. That is why he left after 12 issues?[/QUOTE]
Nah, he left after 12 issues because he left Marvel completely. There was a dispute over his new contract.
As for his PANTHER series, I honestly haven't read it, but Kirby's second tenure at Marvel was marked with some pretty wild stuff (Devil Dinosaur, Machine Man, the Eternals) and this may have simply been Jack having a story idea and looking for a place to tell it, much like he did with T'Challa in FF. After all... he was his own editor on BP. He could do whatever he liked.
(And he often did. I mean, Machine Man first appeared in the 2001 comic, and he has NOTHING to do with the movie)
It's probably true, however, that he wasn't all that interested in world-building, unlike McGregor before him. Kirby came from an older school of comics writing, where plot drives the story, and character & setting merely enhance it. By the late 1970's, it was rather old-fashioned.
Made for some wild reads, tho. :D
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Idk how people are saying Kirby is the worst BP writer. He might not be the best when you look at the most iconic runs but he's fr from the worst.
McGregor was constantly getting **** from editorial it is a wonder his run lasted as long as it did.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;3697643]Idk how people are saying Kirby is the worst BP writer. He might not be the best when you look at the most iconic runs but he's fr from the worst.
McGregor was constantly getting **** from editorial it is a wonder his run lasted as long as it did.[/QUOTE]
[B]I would like to see how his run would be now that he knows he put in too much torture porn[/B]
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Don't know the artist, but must be a Hudlin fan.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3697458]Nah, he left after 12 issues because he left Marvel completely. There was a dispute over his new contract.
As for his PANTHER series, I honestly haven't read it, but Kirby's second tenure at Marvel was marked with some pretty wild stuff (Devil Dinosaur, Machine Man, the Eternals) and this may have simply been Jack having a story idea and looking for a place to tell it, much like he did with T'Challa in FF. After all... he was his own editor on BP. He could do whatever he liked.
(And he often did. I mean, Machine Man first appeared in the 2001 comic, and he has NOTHING to do with the movie)
It's probably true, however, that he wasn't all that interested in world-building, unlike McGregor before him. Kirby came from an older school of comics writing, where plot drives the story, and character & setting merely enhance it. By the late 1970's, it was rather old-fashioned.
Made for some wild reads, tho. :D[/QUOTE]
Kirby also felt that he was being sabotaged by editorial.
He had made statements about the number of negative letters that Marvel was putting in the letters pages of his books.
Thing was, his style was the polar opposite of guys like Steve Englehardt so when Jack followed Steve Englehardt on Cap the fans bitched and the complaints about tone/style followed Jack through all of his Marvel work including his experimental stuff (2001, Machine Man and the Eternals).
I separate Black Panther and Captain America from the other books as technically 2001, Machine Man and the Eternals weren't even supposed to be taking place in the Marvel Universe(when Jack was writing them).
2001 was a companion comic/sequel to the movie, Machine Man was a spin off to 2001 and Eternals was supposed to take place in the real world.
They retconned the lot of that after Kirby left.
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