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[QUOTE=XPac;2826283]I imagine that's the rationale for people like Klaw and Man Ape getting stomped. They're Z listers who are there to make the heroes look good.
But there's a problem with that formula. It makes the villain look bad, and it even makes the heroes who previously struggled with them look bad. Stane was a credible threat to Iron Man, so if T'Challa stomps him it makes Stark look bad. Moving foreward Stane is currently T'Challa's primary opponent, so if Stane theoretically were to get stomped by say Spider-Man or whatever, that effectively makes Iron Man and T'Challa look bad. Just like Goldballs stomping Klaw makes T'Challa look bad for having struggled against him in the past.
There's a price for stomping villains in that manner. T'Challa has arguably no credible rogues because other writers are doing exactly what you're describing with his opponents, and the same thing shouldn't be happening to Iron Mans opponents. Or anyone else's for that matter, at least if they're characters who are currently being used.
If you make a villain look credible, it makes the heroes he faces both past and present credible for having beat them. Because there's no value in beating canon fodder. You can of course argue Coates didn't do a good job making Stane look credible... he'll be the first to admit he's not necessarily good at fights. But what he did is still better than stomping them for the same reason that Man Ape and Klaw shouldn't be stomped like Z listers.[/QUOTE]
[B]Not even the sane level. M'Baku and Klaw have Media recognition via cartoons and Klaw has MCU recognition and is about to have a bigger role in the BP Solo as it M'Baku. Stane is a trash throwaway villain no one even remembered and had to Google.
They are not the same. One is zlist and the others have been victim's of poor writing over the year's despite media giving better showings and have them be more credible villains[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2826489][B]Not even the sane level. M'Baku and Klaw have Media recognition via cartoons and Klaw has MCU recognition and is about to have a bigger role in the BP Solo as it M'Baku. Stane is a trash throwaway villain no one even remembered and had to Google.
They are not the same. One is zlist and the others have been victim's of poor writing over the year's despite media giving better showings and have them be more credible villains[/B][/QUOTE]
You're only Z list if you're written as Z list. A character as has much or as little credibility as the writers at marvel are willing to give them.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2826506]You're only Z list if you're written as Z list. A character as has much or as little credibility as the writers at marvel are willing to give them.[/QUOTE]
You're stance is rather ironic considering the fact that Coates wilfully chose to to write T'Challa in a manner that can only be described as being Z-list.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2826506]You're only Z list if you're written as Z list. A character as has much or as little credibility as the writers at marvel are willing to give them.[/QUOTE]
[B]And how much has Stane been used? It's been so long no one knew who he was When the "Big reveal" happened.
M'Baku and Klaw have been victim's of poor writing Which should hopefully change with the BP Solo coming up, maybe they will make it back to status quo (along with Tchalla) stane is a nobody the is a trash throwaway Villain he had no credibility, he is z list and the only thing he has do e has been that he has dragged Tchalla down because of it [/B]
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Everyone is talking about Stane, but we're ignoring one of the best narcissistic asshole duos - Fenris aka the Strucker twins. They are truly terrible people and wonderful to deal with. I suspect Coates is using them due to his appreciation of Claremont's X-Men, but they're still great.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2826527][B]And how much has Stane been used? It's been so long no one knew who he was When the "Big reveal" happened.
M'Baku and Klaw have been victim's of poor writing Which should hopefully change with the BP Solo coming up, maybe they will make it back to status quo (along with Tchalla) stane is a nobody the is a trash throwaway Villain he had no credibility, he is z list and the only thing he has do e has been that he has dragged Tchalla down because of it [/B][/QUOTE]
These days, Stane fighting Black Panther while Klaw is getting knocked out in one panel by Spider-Woman. The last time I saw Stane prior to this he was killing the Mandarin. The last time I saw Klaw prior to this he was getting knocked out by Gold Balls.
I'll say again, you're a Z-lister if you're written like a Z-lister.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2826537]Everyone is talking about Stane, but we're ignoring one of the best narcissistic asshole duos - Fenris aka the Strucker twins. They are truly terrible people and wonderful to deal with. I suspect Coates is using them due to his appreciation of Claremont's X-Men, but they're still great.[/QUOTE]
I've been somewhat of a fan of the Strucker twins Fabians' Thunderbolts. Some messed up stuff went down with the Purple Man and Andreas, but it got my attention.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2826642]These days, Stane fighting Black Panther while Klaw is getting knocked out in one panel by Spider-Woman. The last time I saw Stane prior to this he was killing the Mandarin. The last time I saw Klaw prior to this he was getting knocked out by Gold Balls.
I'll say again, you're a Z-lister if you're written like a Z-lister.[/QUOTE]
[B] Which further shows that marvel comics needs to get their heads out of their asses considering in both Avengers cartoons showed Klaw facing off Against the Avenger's and holding his own. Plus he and M'Baku are going to be making a splash into the BP Solo so it would be wise if they got the return to status quo they deserve.
When was it that Stane had his time? Again it was long enough that people had to Google who he was..
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2826691][B] Which further shows that marvel comics needs to get their heads out of their asses considering in both Avengers cartoons showed Klaw facing off Against the Avenger's and holding his own. Plus he and M'Baku are going to be making a splash into the BP Solo so it would be wise if they got the return to status quo they deserve.
When was it that Stane had his time? Again it was long enough that people had to Google who he was..
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Stane is having his time RIGHT NOW in the Black Panther book, while Klaw is getting knocked out by Spider-Woman.
That's my point. Stane is being used as a title characters primary antagonist, while poor Klaw and Man Ape are just background canon fodder. You need Google to remember the last time Klaw or Man Ape actually mattered in a story. You don't need Google to do that with Stane... you just need to read books presently on the shelf.
But I agree that they should use Klaw and Man Ape better. Villains shouldn't be squashed. They should be presented as credible threats, because otherwise it's meaningless to even bother showing them fight heroes in the first place. Hopefully the BP movie will be a turning point to the degree that BP won't need to constantly bother borrowing other peoples rogues for his story.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2826704]Stane is having his time RIGHT NOW in the Black Panther book, while Klaw is getting knocked out by Spider-Woman.
That's my point. Stane is being used as a title characters primary antagonist, while poor Klaw and Man Ape are just background canon fodder. You need Google to remember the last time Klaw or Man Ape actually mattered in a story. You don't need Google to do that with Stane... you just need to read books presently on the shelf.
But I agree that they should use Klaw and Man Ape better. Villains shouldn't be squashed. They should be presented as credible threats, because otherwise it's meaningless to even bother showing them fight heroes in the first place. Hopefully the BP movie will be a turning point to the degree that BP won't need to constantly bother borrowing other peoples rogues for his story.[/QUOTE]
I don't think your going to see much Man-Ape anywhere to be honest. I know for a fact Coates despises Man-Ape, he made that clear in one of his interviews. Additionally, I can't imagine Man-Ape would go over all that well on the big screen either but idk.
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[QUOTE=mbeezy561;2827951]I don't think your going to see much Man-Ape anywhere to be honest. I know for a fact Coates despises Man-Ape, he made that clear in one of his interviews. Additionally, I can't imagine Man-Ape would go over all that well on the big screen either but idk.[/QUOTE]
I believe he is already cast for the movie. That said, he likely will be tweaked a bit. But most characters get that treatment anyways going to the big screen.
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M'Baku was cast in the movie, but I'll be shocked if he's Man-Ape.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2826704]Stane is having his time RIGHT NOW in the Black Panther book, while Klaw is getting knocked out by Spider-Woman.
That's my point. Stane is being used as a title characters primary antagonist, while poor Klaw and Man Ape are just background canon fodder. You need Google to remember the last time Klaw or Man Ape actually mattered in a story. You don't need Google to do that with Stane... you just need to read books presently on the shelf.
But I agree that they should use Klaw and Man Ape better. Villains shouldn't be squashed. They should be presented as credible threats, because otherwise it's meaningless to even bother showing them fight heroes in the first place. Hopefully the BP movie will be a turning point to the degree that BP won't need to constantly bother borrowing other peoples rogues for his story.[/QUOTE]
You might get a movie M'Baku who is unrecognizable from the comics.
And maybe the comics will use that version going forward. Just as comics Loki has
taken on some of the aspects of movie Loki (mainly being a conflicted pretty boy, baddie).
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2828914]You might get a movie M'Baku who is unrecognizable from the comics.
And maybe the comics will use that version going forward. Just as comics Loki has
taken on some of the aspects of movie Loki (mainly being a conflicted pretty boy, baddie).[/QUOTE]
It really doesn't take much. Just have him do what Cage did and ditch the outdated name and costume.
The fact that he's previously T'Challas BFF potentially Magneto to T'Challas Xavier. They can do stuff with that if they want to. Though Coates at least doesn't seem all that interested.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2828647]M'Baku was cast in the movie, but I'll be shocked if he's Man-Ape.[/QUOTE]
Same. I think Marvel Studios will be very sensitive to this and I doubt Coogler would be on board with it.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2826241][B]I so wish that's how it went down. That would of been amazing.
The thing Coates is forgetting I'd that zlisters are there to have the heroes provide huge ass whoopings to. Coates is pulling an Ewing in regards to have nobodies giving issues to the heroes, more then they should, however unlike Ewing Coates just continues to have these z Listers not get utterly stomped on Which in turn hurt's the more established heroes reputation.
Stane and friends Should of been destroyed by the Crew.
But instead they held there own for the most part
So now the crew looks like shit. Yet folks Will come to Coates rescue and excuse the shitty choices away [/B][/QUOTE]
Coates is just a fool to the comic book business. If only he could take his foolishness to another character and have all the unfans and apologists get lost with him... but these are the same trolls who swear Doomwar was great and got mad that Hickman softened the blow by having BP fortify Wakanda's economy as independent of vibranium. You know the lame i'm talkin about. They hate it when he's not in a constant state of embarrassment.
Stane's only purpose should be to get his ass kicked by the Crew and even then, that would be giving Stane more rub than he deserves. Getting stomped out by T'Challa and Luke Cage is a [B]privilege[/B] that he simply does not deserve. Zemo was the sensible choice and it would've been absolutely amazing.
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Stane and the Fenris twins alone shouldn't be much of a threat to T'Challa. However they do form the basis of a Sinister Six for the Panther(something I've been begging for). Add three more credible villains that can challenge BP on different levels and you have a team worthy of a challenge.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2829256]Stane and the Fenris twins alone shouldn't be much of a threat to T'Challa. However they do form the basis of a Sinister Six for the Panther(something I've been begging for). Add three more credible villains that can challenge BP on different levels and you have a team worthy of a challenge.[/QUOTE]
[B]I will Quote MoS:
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The Supremacists could have easily been a stand in for Stane and the Gang. Especially since they seem based out of Azania.
He would have full control to update them as need be.
Hell, I wouldn't even care if Stane was "leading" them now. Or Faustus.
But if you are gonna use villain fodder, which is exactly what Vanisher and Fenris are... might as well use the fodder the mythos already have.
errrr but..... why the fuck is Zenzi handing around the evil and racist as hell Fenris?[/QUOTE]
I Feel Like there needs to be a actual credible Threats to T'Challa real villains with Real power that can challenge him. The Supremacist would fit the bill to because there is full control over them, they just need to be updated to mordern times and they could pose a real threat after some upgrades[/B]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2829256]Stane and the Fenris twins alone shouldn't be much of a threat to T'Challa. However they do form the basis of a Sinister Six for the Panther(something I've been begging for). [B]Add three more credible villains that can challenge BP on different levels[/B] and you have a team worthy of a challenge.[/QUOTE]
Goon Slam Gary. Bitch Slap Barry.
Just need one more.
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Haven't kept up with BP lately but what I've been seeing in this thread has not given a good impression. I'll look out for the trades and see what's what.
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[URL="http://shawnsjames.blogspot.com/2017/05/ta-neshi-coates-needs-crew-to-teach-him.html"]http://shawnsjames.blogspot.com/2017/05/ta-neshi-coates-needs-crew-to-teach-him.html[/URL]
Oh Maj....ENJOY
[QUOTE]
Ta-Neshi Coates career as a comic book writer has been a disaster. His Black Panther is considered the worst run in the character’s history. And his latest opus: Black Panther & The Crew was cancelled after the second issue due to poor sales.
All anyone has to do is look at Ta-Neshi Coates premise for Black Panther & The Crew why it’s a poor seller and how out of his depth he is as a comic book writer. While he can write a bestselling nonfiction book like Between the World and Me, he doesn’t know what makes for a compelling comic book story.
In Coates’ Black Panther & The Crew Harlem is patrolled by robot cops. And a robot cop kills a Black Civil Rights Leader. And in the aftermath, Black Panther, assembles a crew of Black heroes including, Storm, Misty Knight and Luke Cage and Iron Fist to find out who killed him before the city explodes in a riot.
That entire premise is f**ked up. You’re gonna tell me In the Marvel Universe, a place filled with superheroes the City of New York is gonna use robot cops to patrol only a Black neighborhood. And when a robot cop kills a Black activist, Black Panther has to assemble a crew of super powered Black people and a “down” White boy to solve the case.
Coates says he’s trying to make a commentary about Police brutality and the Black Lives Matter Movement in the story of Black Panther: The Crew. Unfortunately, the premise he proposes to tell that story defies logic even in the Marvel Universe.
The robot cop concept just doesn’t fit organically in the New York City of the Marvel Universe, where police unions would definitely protest about robots taking their jobs.[B] And the mystery behind who killed the activist doesn’t seem like the kind of threat Black Panther would have to assemble The Crew to get involved in. All those incredibly powerful characters getting involved to solve a mystery Misty Knight, Cage, and Iron fist could probably solve on their own?[/B]
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I had to put this by itself.
[QUOTE][B][U][SIZE=5]Why would the King of Wakanda CARE about a Black activist being killed in Harlem? Hasn’t he got his own problems to deal with Wakanda being in ruins due to Coates’ critically panned run?[/SIZE][/U][/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]When I look at Coates’ Black Panther & The Crew it’s SJW/diversity writing at its worst. There’s no care to the story or care for the execution of the concept. It’s all about ramming the ideology of Black Lives Matter down people’s throats.
Unfortunately Coates just didn’t know how to execute the concept. Comics are about characters having fantastic adventures in amazing stories, not pushing political agendas.
Coates tries too hard to push his political activism in his comic book stories and it prevents readers from escaping. This is why his comics fail to resonate with readers.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;2826164]There will be an mvci variant cover for a future bp issue. Im so happy he's going to be in the game. I know there's no proof but he's definitely going to be in it. :)
Whose going to pair up BP and Storm when the game is released?[/QUOTE]
Storm ...isn't going to be in this game. Maybe she'll be in Panthers ending though
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;2829855][URL="http://shawnsjames.blogspot.com/2017/05/ta-neshi-coates-needs-crew-to-teach-him.html"]http://shawnsjames.blogspot.com/2017/05/ta-neshi-coates-needs-crew-to-teach-him.html[/URL]
Oh Maj....ENJOY
I had to put this by itself.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for posting this my friend.
It's not like most of us haven't been saying thing for practically a whole year now.
Only thing I was confused about was the Iron Fist mention.
I think dude confused the Crew Lineup with Bendis's Defenders.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;2829855][URL="http://shawnsjames.blogspot.com/2017/05/ta-neshi-coates-needs-crew-to-teach-him.html"]http://shawnsjames.blogspot.com/2017/05/ta-neshi-coates-needs-crew-to-teach-him.html[/URL]
Oh Maj....ENJOY
I had to put this by itself.[/QUOTE]
While I think the Americops thing is a bit absurd, in all fairness that's not something Coates himself made up. We're seeing the Americops in Spencers Sam book in recent months too. So while it may defies real world logic, it's an established MU thing.
I do agree though that this is something that likely should fly below T'CHalla's radar. Storms involvement helps justify it, but beyond that there does seem to be some sort of Wakandan connection here. I'm assuming the issue will end up being bigger than just the death of a black activist if it's drawing in nearly half a dozen super heroes when all this is said and done. But based on what we know so far yeah... this isn't something any of them should necessarily consider a priority.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;2829855][URL="http://shawnsjames.blogspot.com/2017/05/ta-neshi-coates-needs-crew-to-teach-him.html"]http://shawnsjames.blogspot.com/2017/05/ta-neshi-coates-needs-crew-to-teach-him.html[/URL]
Oh Maj....ENJOY
I had to put this by itself.[/QUOTE]
[B]He was off about a few things but yeah Coates doesn't have what it takes to write comics and he should not have been given black panther to write his agenda ridden bullshit that had done nothing positive for the mythos whatsoever. Him and Gay shouldn't of been allowed within 100 feet of the book. The sooner he gets canned the sooner we can move past this pile of
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[QUOTE=XPac;2829008]It really doesn't take much. Just have him do what Cage did and ditch the outdated name and costume.
The fact that he's previously T'Challas BFF potentially Magneto to T'Challas Xavier. They can do stuff with that if they want to. Though Coates at least doesn't seem all that interested.[/QUOTE]
Have we ever seen T'Challa and Man-Ape acting buddy buddy? Seems like that was just a Silver Age throw away line. Even when Priest revamped him, that was really never shown.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;2830340]Have we ever seen T'Challa and Man-Ape acting buddy buddy? Seems like that was just a Silver Age throw away line. Even when Priest revamped him, that was really never shown.[/QUOTE]
M'Baku was invited to T'Challas wedding. And to his credit, M'Baku behaved for the most part.
But yeah, they understandably aren't to buddy buddy these days.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2830161][B]He was off about a few things but yeah Coates doesn't have what it takes to write comics and he should not have been given black panther to write his agenda ridden bullshit that had done nothing positive for the mythos whatsoever. Him and Gay shouldn't of been allowed within 100 feet of the book. The sooner he gets canned the sooner we can move past this pile of
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Hopefully he is done before the movie.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;2829855][URL="http://shawnsjames.blogspot.com/2017/05/ta-neshi-coates-needs-crew-to-teach-him.html"]http://shawnsjames.blogspot.com/2017/05/ta-neshi-coates-needs-crew-to-teach-him.html[/URL]
Oh Maj....ENJOY
I had to put this by itself.[/QUOTE]
While I agree that Coates shouldn't be writing BP, I strongly disagree that it's bad because Coates brought "politics" into it. Social issues have been part of superhero comics since literally the begining. I also find it a little troubling that the writer is using cliches like "SJW" and "rammed down people's throats"...theses are things that a lot of folks say when they want to keep minorities and women to sidelines in Marvel comics.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;2831042]While I agree that Coates shouldn't be writing BP, I strongly disagree that it's bad because Coates brought "politics" into it. Social issues have been part of superhero comics since literally the begining. I also find it a little troubling that the writer is using cliches like "SJW" and "rammed down people's throats"...theses are things that a lot of folks say when they want to keep minorities and women to sidelines in Marvel comics.[/QUOTE]
[B]There were things the person was wrong about and i dont agree with everything said either but he was write on a good amount of points. Yes there are politics in comics BP is one that should have plenty of politics going on because its about a superhero warrior king and there should always be political intrigue going on. I will say however that "No One Man" and "Serve in All ways" were literally forced down our throats, we didn't go an issue with that being thrown in our face in some form or slipped in. The Term SJW i think it pretty stupid to be honest but I do think that Coates completely whiffed it on his delivery of the BP solo and BP Crew. The writer of the article is also correct in why would T'challa care about what happened in Harlem given What Coates has done in the Solo. How he is bringing the Team together is stupid, and he should of had them pick up where they left on in issue 7 of the solo, rather then wasting time do a whole "Origin Story" Rather Then kicking off Big with Luke and Cage, He went insignificant with Misty, Storm and Erza whogivesafuck.
So while the writer of the Article should of probably done some more research to get facts right and should of stayed away from Common Cliches' overall they are still right about this being a failure. (I have watched another Video with this guy and he has some weird views on things about the mythos but overall has decent points, i would say his stuff is about 7/10 because he mixes up facts or has some weird ideas about things) [/B]
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[QUOTE=ed2962;2831042]While I agree that Coates shouldn't be writing BP, I strongly disagree that it's bad because Coates brought "politics" into it. Social issues have been part of superhero comics since literally the begining. I also find it a little troubling that the writer is using cliches like "SJW" and "rammed down people's throats"...theses are things that a lot of folks say when they want to keep minorities and women to sidelines in Marvel comics.[/QUOTE]
I think that stems from a certain degree of entitlement some readers may have. Not everyone likes politics and social commentary in their comics (or fiction in general), and that's perfectly fine... a lot of times I'd personally want a little less "real world" stuff in my escapism too. But it isn't a case of whether or not comics should or shouldn't involve politics or social commentary or whatever... that's not up to the readers, that's up to the writer. Writers (with editorials permission of course) can write whatever story they want. And if readers don't like it, they can read something else. Like you said, politics and social commentary have been a part of comics for a long long time. Some like it and some don't, but it's nothing new.
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*Rolls eyes at the BP #17 solicit*
Just let Coates go write a Storm book pls
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;2831292]*Rolls eyes at the BP #17 solicit*
Just let Coates go write a Storm book pls[/QUOTE]
Links? Can't find it.
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[QUOTE=Cville;2831314]Links? Can't find it.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.newsarama.com/images/i/000/198/553/original/BLAP2016017_cov_col.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE]BLACK PANTHER #17
TA-NEHISI COATES (W) • CHRIS SPROUSE (A)
Cover by BRIAN STELFREEZE
Connecting Variant Cover by TBA
Marvel vs. Capcom Variant Cover by TBA
FOREVER MY LADY!
• T’Challa’s got royalty in his DNA, but does he have the loyalty of a goddess in his corner?
• Ororo Munroe, also known as Storm of the X-Men and former queen of Wakanda, is back in T’Challa’s life. But is it for good this time? Or will country come between a man and his queen again?
32 PGS./Rated T …$3.99[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;2831324][IMG]http://www.newsarama.com/images/i/000/198/553/original/BLAP2016017_cov_col.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I like that version of the pin backed ears. Looks razor sharp, like you could cut yourself on them.
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BLACK PANTHER #17
[QUOTE=BP #17]TA-NEHISI COATES (W) • CHRIS SPROUSE (A)
Cover by BRIAN STELFREEZE
Connecting Variant Cover by TBA
Marvel vs. Capcom Variant Cover by TBA
FOREVER MY LADY!
• [B]T’Challa’s got royalty in his DNA, but does he have the loyalty of a goddess in his corner?
• Ororo Munroe, also known as Storm of the X-Men and former queen of Wakanda, is back in T’Challa’s life. But is it for good this time? Or will country come between a man and his queen again?
[/B] 32 PGS./Rated T …$3.99 [/QUOTE]
That's that nerve, you all about her and she all about hers. Shuri in this ***** no flamingos, and she done did everything but trust these....
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;2831292]*Rolls eyes at the BP #17 solicit*
Just let Coates go write a Storm book pls[/QUOTE]
don't roll ur eyes. rejoice and be alive. the all goddess has smiled on us and brought these two back together!! let's hope it sticks this time.
[QUOTE=UltimateTy;2831324][IMG]http://www.newsarama.com/images/i/000/198/553/original/BLAP2016017_cov_col.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
beauitful
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;2831516]don't roll ur eyes. rejoice and be alive. the all goddess has smiled on us and brought these two back together!! let's hope it sticks this time.
beauitful[/QUOTE]
They bringing it up in X-Men books? If that's a nah, or if it qualified by them acknowledging it through the same kind of BS they pulled before then it's meaningless.
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;2831557]They bringing it up in X-Men books? If that's a nah, or if it qualified by them acknowledging it through the same kind of BS they pulled before then it's meaningless.[/QUOTE]
storm doesn't exist in xmen books. that's a bot or something.
Coates and his team have been doing a great job with storm. I'm hopeful he will handle a potential reconciliation good as well.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;2831598]storm doesn't exist in xmen books. that's a bot or something.
Coates and his team have been doing a great job with storm. I'm hopeful he will handle a potential reconciliation good as well.[/QUOTE]
I've seen this movie play out. She'll be handled fine in BP books, X-Men fans will throw a fit, then it's back to piling on as much shade as possible.