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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1557924]I have to agree its depowering for no good reason. Despite him getting hit it still dampens the blow, and if you take the weave away, it makes him weaker and T'Challa has seen enough depowering for a very long time. In Priests run when BP goes against Enraged IF Ross states that it would of been worse for T'Challa taking all those strikes which were the equivalent of being "hit by a freight train". It makes him able to take bigger hits and recover faster from them.
I like Hudlins Idea of having more protection from having thrice blessed armor or the light armor, for taking on heavy hitters personally, but its up for debate on whether that will be applied to these titles or not.[/QUOTE]
The reason would simply be consistancy. Because we've seen him and the suit itself damanged enough times, there's valid reason to assume not all his suits are vibranium anyways.
When he fought the Red Skull for example, I didn't necessairly assume from just reading it that he was wearing a suit capable of absorbing the impact of a bullet. And if he had been, it probably would have watered down the dramatic effect of the fight. It is a nice option to have when he's fighting someone like Iron Fist because it does justify him not being dead when he takes real hits. But if he's facing say a Killmonger, I think having the potential of Killmonger actually being able to hurt him for storytelling purposes works too. Hence the inconsistancy we sometimes get. There's a sort of weird balance you get there. Having both vibranium and non-vibranium suits is one way to address that.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1557938]without the vibranium, hits from Namor and company should kill him
The mesh allows him to take on heavy hitters and make it believable that he isn't killed instantly
Plus, I would say the opponents he should be facing hit harder than a bullet anyway. Any normal dude shouldn't even be able to hit him anyway and if they do, he should be able to no sell it.[/QUOTE]
[B]Well to be fair it does depend on how hard they are intending to hit him. Hickmans Event we saw that he took hits from Terrax, and Namor (granted being KotD could have possibly increased his durability) and those were without the Vibranium Microweave, so he does have a level of toughness without it which seems to be enhanced, how much so is yet to be seen but it must be decent since he only suffered a bloody nose from Namor and didn't seem to have any nticeable damage from Terrax backhanding him. [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1557959][B]Well to be fair it does depend on how hard they are intending to hit him. Hickmans Event we saw that he took hits from Terrax, and Namor (granted being KotD could have possibly increased his durability) and those were without the Vibranium Microweave, so he does have a level of toughness without it which seems to be enhanced, how much so is yet to be seen but it must be decent since he only suffered a bloody nose from Namor and didn't seem to have any nticeable damage from Terrax backhanding him. [/B][/QUOTE]
The thing is vibranium isn't the only inconsistant thing in comics. Steve was hit early on in Hickmans story... and you can certainly assume Namor wasn't using lethal force but the truth is as Breevort has mentioned Steve has been taking hits like that his whole life. Just as people like Batman and Daredevil have. And it's not because it necessarily makes sense... it's simply because that's how comics typically work.
Which annoys me sometimes but it is what it is.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1557951]The reason would simply be consistancy. Because we've seen him and the suit itself damanged enough times, there's valid reason to assume not all his suits are vibranium anyways.
When he fought the Red Skull for example, I didn't necessairly assume from just reading it that he was wearing a suit capable of absorbing the impact of a bullet. And if he had been, it probably would have watered down the dramatic effect of the fight. It is a nice option to have when he's fighting someone like Iron Fist because it does justify him not being dead when he takes real hits. But if he's facing say a Killmonger, I think having the potential of Killmonger actually being able to hurt him for storytelling purposes works too. Hence the inconsistancy we sometimes get. There's a sort of weird balance you get there. Having both vibranium and non-vibranium suits is one way to address that.[/QUOTE]
[B]But at the same time it doesn't because why would he not wear it? right now he doesn't have a choice because all the processed vibranium is inert, but against other super powered heroes/villains, they are obviously strong enough to hit him still, though the blows are weaker then they would be had he not been wearing the habit. Red skull is like Cap where he is in peak condition so it makes sense, same with IF as those chi powered fists are the equivalent of being hit by a train. It has been stated that Killmonger has undergone strength enhancements among other things and that is why he is also able to go through the weave. All of these opponents can hurt him, because its not a stop all damage, but weakens the blows to a certain extent. It could be that these powered punches and kicks cover a wider range so that is why he is hit or its just simply because they want him to be stab/bullet proof so he isn't taken down by some stray bullet or knife attack.
There are alot of inconsistencies within stories cap has been knocked away from always despite the attack hitting his shield which had vibranium in it as well, its just to make the fights more interesting [/B]
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[QUOTE=XPac;1557965]The thing is vibranium isn't the only inconsistant thing in comics. Steve was hit early on in Hickmans story... and you can certainly assume Namor wasn't using lethal force but the truth is as Breevort has mentioned Steve has been taking hits like that his whole life. Just as people like Batman and Daredevil have. And it's not because it necessarily makes sense... it's simply because that's how comics typically work.
Which annoys me sometimes but it is what it is.[/QUOTE]
[B]T'Challa has been taking hits as well. If you have read Panther rage, there are alot of hits he has taken and kept on going, as well as strength feats people tend to forget (like him killing a dinosaur with a tree, despite being weakened and gone days without food or energy, or destroying a watermill by flexing his muscles, being shot, stabbed attacked by crocodiles etc and still going strong) as well as durability. Before PRiest got his hands on him, writers tended to show that T'challa was a man who could take alot of punishment and get through it through sheer force of will and endurance. [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1557973][B]But at the same time it doesn't because why would he not wear it? right now he doesn't have a choice because all the processed vibranium is inert, but against other super powered heroes/villains, they are obviously strong enough to hit him still, though the blows are weaker then they would be had he not been wearing the habit. Red skull is like Cap where he is in peak condition so it makes sense, same with IF as those chi powered fists are the equivalent of being hit by a train. It has been stated that Killmonger has undergone strength enhancements among other things and that is why he is also able to go through the weave. All of these opponents can hurt him, because its not a stop all damage, but weakens the blows to a certain extent. It could be that these powered punches and kicks cover a wider range so that is why he is hit or its just simply because they want him to be stab/bullet proof so he isn't taken down by some stray bullet or knife attack.
There are alot of inconsistencies within stories cap has been knocked away from always despite the attack hitting his shield which had vibranium in it as well, its just to make the fights more interesting [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, asking why he's not wearing it is sort of a fair question... but it's sort of like asking why doesn't Shuri wear the armor she wore to fight Namor all the time she's in battle. Or why Batman only seems to dig up his armor when he's facing Superman and not say Darkseid or any other high level threat.
I think the actual reason is the writers want to write these characters more as Batman than Iron Man. The fancier higher end stuff is an option sitting around in their closets... but it's seldom used even when it makes sense to because I think normally they want the characters to be written the way they are normally written. Which unfortunately doesn't make a whole lot of sense in-story...
As far as people like Red Skull hurting him... the thing is if Red Skull can HURT you, then Namor will KILL you. Conversely if you can even survive a shot from Namor, a shot from a Red Skull (and I'm taking into account him having Cap level stats) should feel like a gentle autumn breeze. But of course comics don't work that way... and for storytelling purposes they shouldn't. Like I said, for me at least differing vibranium suits at least helps explain the inconsistancy... but I know regardless of whether there's an explanation or not that's sometimes just how comics works.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1558002]Yeah, asking why he's not wearing it is sort of a fair question... but it's sort of like asking why doesn't Shuri wear the armor she wore to fight Namor all the time she's in battle. Or why Batman only seems to dig up his armor when he's facing Superman and not say Darkseid or any other high level threat.
I think the actual reason is the writers want to write these characters more as Batman than Iron Man. The fancier higher end stuff is an option sitting around in their closets... but it's seldom used even when it makes sense to because I think normally they want the characters to be written the way they are normally written. Which unfortunately doesn't make a whole lot of sense in-story...
As far as people like Red Skull hurting him... the thing is if Red Skull can HURT you, then Namor will KILL you. Conversely if you can even survive a shot from Namor, a shot from a Red Skull (and I'm taking into account him having Cap level stats) should feel like a gentle autumn breeze. But of course comics don't work that way... and for storytelling purposes they shouldn't. Like I said, for me at least differing vibranium suits at least helps explain the inconsistancy... but I know regardless of whether there's an explanation or not that's sometimes just how comics works.[/QUOTE]
[B]What you just wrote actually is due to different writers telling a stories. Shuri Vs Namor was in Doomwars written by Mayberry and she is seen using the Vibranium armored suit, she isn't wearing it in Hickmans run because the vibranium became inert in DW, and also even if it weren't its up to the writer to determine whether they want to use gear from a previous writer, Priest said this in an interview awhile back that writers take to stories about characters with an etch o sketch mindset, ignoring things set by previous writers to tell their own story instead of continuing where the other left off. Which makes sense to a certain extent because people want to be unique but its bad because then you get inconsistencies. Its why we see t'challa from priest run being this pragmatic enigma that is 2 steps ahead of everyone and utilizes his tech to a very impressive extent then in Hudlin's run, he is less strategic but more in your face taking you down with less tech involved.
Namor hitting someone all depends on whether he is trying to kill or not, and also it depends on how much punishment the person he is hitting can take. BP has been hit by cosmic level beings before and survived so that means he has a certain level of durability and that means he can take a hit or two from Namor. [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1558026][B]What you just wrote actually is due to different writers telling a stories. Shuri Vs Namor was in Doomwars written by Mayberry and she is seen using the Vibranium armored suit, she isn't wearing it in Hickmans run because the vibranium became inert in DW, and also even if it weren't its up to the writer to determine whether they want to use gear from a previous writer, Priest said this in an interview awhile back that writers take to stories about characters with an etch o sketch mindset, ignoring things set by previous writers to tell their own story instead of continuing where the other left off. Which makes sense to a certain extent because people want to be unique but its bad because then you get inconsistencies. Its why we see t'challa from priest run being this pragmatic enigma that is 2 steps ahead of everyone and utilizes his tech to a very impressive extent then in Hudlin's run, he is less strategic but more in your face taking you down with less tech involved.
Namor hitting someone all depends on whether he is trying to kill or not, and also it depends on how much punishment the person he is hitting can take. BP has been hit by cosmic level beings before and survived so that means he has a certain level of durability and that means he can take a hit or two from Namor. [/B][/QUOTE]
Sure he can take the hit... I'm just not certain he's supposed to be able to. Just like I'm not certain Batman is supposed to be able to take hits from Wonder Woman even though he has. I'm 100% certain every time Batman is ever hit by Wonderman or any class 100 person he'll survive the hit. No doubt about that in my mind whatsoever. I just don't believe anyone at DC will ever say Batman has the super human durability it would take to survive such a hit.
Or at least that's what I assume. Maybe DC fans walk away thinking Batman has superhuman powers after seeing that stuff, but I usually just chalk it up as writers having characters do stuff they logically shouldn't be able to do, because it's a comic book. I think the in-story explanation is that guys like that usually just roll with the force of the blow or whatever.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1557938]without the vibranium, hits from Namor and company should kill him
The mesh allows him to take on heavy hitters and make it believable that he isn't killed instantly
Plus, I would say the opponents he should be facing hit harder than a bullet anyway. Any normal dude shouldn't even be able to hit him anyway and if they do, he should be able to no sell it.[/QUOTE]
this is what im getting at, he should be able to take punches and the suit should absorb most the dmg.
Im not saying he should be able to stand there and take punches but in reality he should be able to be hit by some of the stronger heroes and not be instantly killed.
T'Challas arsenal really puts him with the elite heroes in the MU but he isnt portrayed as such.
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[QUOTE=CCSlim;1558080]this is what im getting at, he should be able to take punches and the suit should absorb most the dmg.
Im not saying he should be able to stand there and take punches but in reality he should be able to be hit by some of the stronger heroes and not be instantly killed.
T'Challas arsenal really puts him with the elite heroes in the MU but he isnt portrayed as such.[/QUOTE]
Being elite is really defined more by status than power (hence Steve Rogers or Batman being elite depite often being the least powerful guys in the room).
That said, with a movie coming out I'm more than certain his stock is on a very sharp rise.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1557924]I have to agree its depowering for no good reason. Despite him getting hit it still dampens the blow, and if you take the weave away, it makes him weaker and T'Challa has seen enough depowering for a very long time. In Priests run when BP goes against Enraged IF Ross states that it would of been worse for T'Challa taking all those strikes which were the equivalent of being "hit by a freight train". It makes him able to take bigger hits and recover faster from them.
I like Hudlins Idea of having more protection from having thrice blessed armor or the light armor, for taking on heavy hitters personally, but its up for debate on whether that will be applied to these titles or not.[/QUOTE]
I'm not a fan of the Armor It's too Iron Man-y.
The suit is fine. T'challa shouldn't be taking blows from under super human level ppl anyway. so punches and kicks from the likes of Davedevil or even Cap should have little to no effect on him. That places him in a catagory with Superhuman level foes as he should be placed and allows him to take blows from the likes of Namor. The Suit should stay and just be used more consistantly across comics. His suit should be as much a part of his personality as Dooms and Iron Mans. If ppl want to see him fight the likes of Cap, Daredevil and other non superhumans then just have T'challa take off the habit and fight them.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;1558110]I'm not a fan of the Armor It's too Iron Man-y.
The suit is fine. T'challa shouldn't be taking blows from under super human level ppl anyway. so punches and kicks from the likes of Davedevil or even Cap should have little to no effect on him. That places him in a catagory with Superhuman level foes as he should be placed and allows him to take blows from the likes of Namor. The Suit should stay and just be used more consistantly across comics. His suit should be as much a part of his personality as Dooms and Iron Mans. If ppl want to see him fight the likes of Cap, Daredevil and other non superhumans then just have T'challa take off the habit and fight them.[/QUOTE]
I think the thing which prevents most comic book smart guys from going the armor route is that really it's sort of Starks niche.
I'm sure Reed, if he put his mind to it, could come up with a suit of armor that puts Starks to shame. And he probably does have a suit of armor lying around in his closet ... but really it's Starks thing. Or Dooms.
Of course we know T'Challa has armor... and he'll on occasion bust it out to fight Doom or Stark. But I think it's cooler when he beats Stark with windex. I sort of like him fightig fire with water instead of fire.
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It really bugged me when he put on the armor when fighting Cap. I know he did it to make a point, but it still bugged me.
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He should just let the Armor be Shuri's thing. And she should always use it rather than the panther costume.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1558043]Sure he can take the hit... I'm just not certain he's supposed to be able to. Just like I'm not certain Batman is supposed to be able to take hits from Wonder Woman even though he has. I'm 100% certain every time Batman is ever hit by Wonderman or any class 100 person he'll survive the hit. No doubt about that in my mind whatsoever. I just don't believe anyone at DC will ever say Batman has the super human durability it would take to survive such a hit.
Or at least that's what I assume. Maybe DC fans walk away thinking Batman has superhuman powers after seeing that stuff, but I usually just chalk it up as writers having characters do stuff they logically shouldn't be able to do, because it's a comic book. I think the in-story explanation is that guys like that usually just roll with the force of the blow or whatever.[/QUOTE]
[B]Well it also depends on what type of hit Wonder Woman gave him. If she was intending on killing him, there is no logical reason that he would survive it, however, they are propably pulling their punches (there is no other way to try and argue this) even if your rolling with the punches, you can only absorb so much on your own. T'Challa is more durable then batman, thats a fact we all know, they are similar in some regard but in terms of physicals T'Challa outclasses Batman. So it makes sense for him to be able to take more punishment sometimes though yes the writers will also have something to do with why they survive something they shouldn't but usually they try to keep it within reason even in a comic. [/B]