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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3672943]Did we ever see the exact terms that Namor offered? Because all really recall is him saying that Wakanda couldn't handle war with Atlantis[/QUOTE]
The so-called terms Namor stated were never expanded on or further explored by Hickman.
However, Wakanda utterly destroying Atlantis was fully displyed within the pages of Hickman's New Avengers in a rare occurence of said writer actually showing Wakanda doing something on panel.
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[QUOTE=Crazy Diamond;3674287]Maybe it's just me but the Intergalactic Wakanda stuff reminds me a little of of the Principality of Zeon from Gundam. I'm behind in BP so I'm not sure what happened to lead to this.[/QUOTE]
Based on the preview if feels like Space Battleship Yamato mixed with Flash Gordon and Spartacus.
Have you seen Mobile Suit Gundam Origin? It is excellent.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3674317]Thanks my bro.
Some folks just choose to see whatever and then go on to make ill informed arguments that have no basis in logic.[/QUOTE]
[B]It's quite frustrating how much damage to the mythos Coates has done and Folks want to come in and say "forget about it already that happened in S1!" Well Coates continued on his destruction of the mythos right into S2 as well. The worst part about all of this too, is bot only does he hamfist this crap inbut then he drops it almost as quickly as it springs up, with no explanation of how or where it came from. It's literally used to take shots at Wakanda and BP because Coates doesn't like the titular Character and what his Mythos stands for, and has gone to great lengths to try and destroy it and turn it into a stereotypical African nation, made worse that he is turning Wakanda into hypocrites and propping up his pet Characters and x Characters to serve his agenda[/B]
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3674150]When you reading Kirby?[/QUOTE]
I was going to send you a PM. The next week or so is pretty busy, so I was planning on starting on Memorial Day and doing one issue a day until it's done.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3674314]How did you come to such a ridiculous conclusion?
Everything Coates has written thus far in the BP solo book, has been to the detriment of the overall BP Mythology with the Rape Camps being the most visually jarring and counter to said mythology point blank.
This writers reckless usage of stereotypical and frankly speaking, white supremacist/racist tropes to reduce Wakanda to Third World status, has been called out by some readers and critics alike who haven't over indulged in drinking Coates patented brand of Koolaid so it should be obvious that Coates hamfisted approach to writing BP centered stories doesn't resonate with actual BP enthusiasts as opposed to johnny come lately hipsters or readers who just can't think outside if the box.[/QUOTE]
I guess I could be considered a johnny come lately, but I'm not so sure that I'm a hipster. Lol now I won't even begin to defend the rape camps. It's cringe-worthy and it feels a lot like pandering to the whitest ideas of "sub-saharan" Africa. However, I maintain that all of s2 is an homage to Priest's Black Panther #26 : Secrets, Seduction & Storm. There are so many elements that give direct reference to this story. I don't see the Christopher Columbus reference because there are fundemental differences that make the comparison a reach that would make Reed Richards pull a muscle. I agree that he also made s2 pure Storm fanfic, but it spoke directly to a fan like me so I won't malign him for that. He should have just pitched a BP & Storm book, but it is what it is. Overall there are some things he's done that I agree with and some things that I don't. Rape Camps in Wakanda is fucking ridiculous. It's in bad taste and it irritates me. But Wakandans fitting the Christopher Columbus analogy? I don't see it and I call bullshit.
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.... sheesh..
i thought the Panther planet was where people were good and doing good things? helping out refugees? This seems to be a vast slavery-class setup here.
.....Why?
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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3674538] But Wakandans fitting the Christopher Columbus analogy? I don't see it and I call bullshit.[/QUOTE]
New people arrive to land.
Indigenous people help them out.
They share stuff.
They fight over resources.
New people win and put indigenous people in chains and march them off to a different land.
I mean, come on lol. It isn't one-to-one (I can't remember if new people or indigenous people started the fight) but to act like any complaint about it is bullshit is a little hyperbolic. You don't even have to squint to see it.
[QUOTE=Matt Murdock]I was going to send you a PM. The next week or so is pretty busy, so I was planning on starting on Memorial Day and doing one issue a day until it's done.[/QUOTE]
Sounds good to me but I might need a reminder when it gets closer.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3674003]Why?
Because you say so?
I can bring up Coates nonsensical introduction of Rape Camps into the BP Mythos, whenever I feel to.
Because you're too lazy to use any other examples of critiwu
I'm not sure why that should be something of a problem for you?[/QUOTE]
Because you're too lazy to use any other examples of Coates' fault and making "muh rape camps!" more big of an issue than what it really was.
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Downplaying coates adding rape camps is weird
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[QUOTE=N'Jadaka;3674752]Because you're too lazy to use any other examples of Coates' fault and making "muh rape camps!" more big of an issue than what it really was.[/QUOTE]
[B]The issue's have been spelled out multiple times. Your just feigning ignorance or blatantly ignoring it. Infact within the last page or two, the majority of issues of Coates time were posted m so you can knock off the too lazy angle. Your too lazy to look[/B]
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The Wakandan = Columbus thing came in the issue that was released the week of Thanksgiving. That comparison was intentional and was relevant to the themes Coates was exploring. It wasn't the best way to explore it, though, in my opinion.
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[QUOTE=Hypestyle;3674599].... sheesh..
i thought the Panther planet was where people were good and doing good things? helping out refugees? This seems to be a vast slavery-class setup here.
.....Why?[/QUOTE]
I think the "why" is to give T'Challa a galactic Empire to overthrow.
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I think making it "Wakandan"is to entice people to look at it. Coates tends to tie Wakanda as a society to stories that does not require it. Latest arc didn't need the commentary on the gods at all. But thats what got people interested during the ad phase. He is pulling the same stunts the MCU ad agency for IW did after BP movie blew up. Lol
Would anyone had cared if Tchalla got captured by a random alien empire, lost his memory and overthrew their empire? The concept of Planet Bast seems to be The major selling point.
The problem witht the way Coates tells stories is he makes it more complicated than it needs to be. Noticed that the reason space WKs started conquering is the same reason the originators attacked and the gods left. "Just because their human".
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3674650]New people arrive to land.
Indigenous people help them out.
They share stuff.
They fight over resources.
New people win and put indigenous people in chains and march them off to a different land.
I mean, come on lol. It isn't one-to-one (I can't remember if new people or indigenous people started the fight) but to act like any complaint about it is bullshit is a little hyperbolic. You don't even have to squint to see it.[/QUOTE]
Oh, where I'm sitting you do have to squint. Not only do you have to squint, you also have to wrap your head around a telephone pole BEFORE you wholly dismiss the fact that Christopher Columbus was NOT part of the indigenous population. The Wakandans and other Africans ARE indigenous to the continent. That's one fundemental difference. Christopher Columbus wasn't enslaved by the indigenous mythical beings of America. In issue #13, Date Night, Shuri has a discussion with Eden where she mentions that the Simbi (snake men) were a warrior race of people that were known as slavers that raided Wakandan villages for labor. Native Americans weren't enslaving white pilgrims and using them to work the land they were born to inherit. That's another fundemental difference. Its also worth noting that this indigenous population of mythical creatures has been hinted at and directly referenced in Priest's Black Panther #26 : Secrets, Seduction & Storm. Africans on the African continent could never be compared to Christopher Columbus. It just doesn't work. And anyone squinting to make the comparison is wholly ignoring the effects Christopher Columbus and his brethren had on the north American continent, not to mention the rest to the world at large. Are there similarities? Yes. Are they a bit problematic? They could be interpreted that way. Do these stories cast Wakanda in a negative light? How could they? Humans weren't always the dominant species on the planet. We inherited it by survival of the fittest. Other, less evolved species were starved out or died for lack or resources. That's nature of all living creatures and how we interact with out environment.
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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3674863]Oh, where I'm sitting you do have to squint. Not only do you have to squint, you also have to wrap your head around a telephone pole BEFORE you wholly dismiss the fact that Christopher Columbus was NOT part of the indigenous population. The Wakandans and other Africans ARE indigenous to the continent. That's one fundemental difference. Christopher Columbus wasn't enslaved by the indigenous mythical beings of America. In issue #13, Date Night, Shuri has a discussion with Eden where she mentions that the Simbi (snake men) were a warrior race of people that were known as slavers that raided Wakandan villages for labor. Native Americans weren't enslaving white pilgrims and using them to work the land they were born to inherit. That's another fundemental difference. Its also worth noting that this indigenous population of mythical creatures has been hinted at and directly referenced in Priest's Black Panther #26 : Secrets, Seduction & Storm. Africans on the African continent could never be compared to Christopher Columbus. It just doesn't work. And anyone squinting to make the comparison is wholly ignoring the effects Christopher Columbus and his brethren had on the north American continent, not to mention the rest to the world at large. Are there similarities? Yes. Are they a bit problematic? They could be interpreted that way. Do these stories cast Wakanda in a negative light? How could they? Humans weren't always the dominant species on the planet. We inherited it by survival of the fittest. Other, less evolved species were starved out or died for lack or resources. That's nature of all living creatures and how we interact with out environment.[/QUOTE]
Your analysis may prove that Coates made changes to make it more of a Columbus analog as someone posted it came out the week of Thanksgiving.
How could the Snakemen take Wakandans for labor of they were sent away to another dimension before Wakanda officially existed?
Seems like he changed the story to fit an agenda.