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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3807921][video=youtube;-ZmGpTuysKI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZmGpTuysKI[/video]
I lol'd
whoo boy, thank Bast BP came out first.
FTR, I'll be at Aquaman opening night and he is probably my favorite DC character. It is just funny[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Wow. It looks good though.
Too bad they didn't come out with this before Justice League or BvS. This should have come out right behind Wonder Woman.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3808080][B] point is, it's not as though T'Challa doesn't have long standing supporting cast members, he does and Shuri and Ramonda are currently alive and well and aren't going anywhere. Possibly Okoye is back. I wouldn't be surprised if marvel tried to get W'kabi Zuri back to the mix either to match up to the movie[/B][/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say he doesn't have any... but I would argue he should have had more, especially after the majority of his male supporting cast members were killed off. I agree that Shuri and Ramonda likely aren't going anywhere... but I think having a male or two in there would be nice. And certainly I hope Okoye sticks around... I honestly don't entirely understand why she vanished after Priests run to begin with, if the Dora's were still being used.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3808178][COLOR="#000080"]But yet you continue to harp on something that has been removed long ago but will defend Wakanda having treehouse rape camps ad nauseum, something that should have never happened in the first place.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I'm not the one who brought up the Dora issue. Again, I'm fine with the situation because it was in fact resolved.
And the treehouse rape thing was resolved two. In a handful of panels, they were taken care of. So as far as I"m concerned, both are non issues now. Doras got their independence and took care of the tree houses, so all is well with the world.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3808198]I'm not the one who brought up the Dora issue. Again, I'm fine with the situation because it was in fact resolved.
And the treehouse rape thing was resolved two. In a handful of panels, they were taken care of. So as far as I"m concerned, both are non issues now. Doras got their independence and took care of the tree houses, so all is well with the world.[/QUOTE]
Nah bruv, you're just one of the posters who pours cold water on any enhancements or personal forward momentum for T'challa as a character and Wakanda as a concept whilst waxing loquacious over the watering down if said Wakanda, and total nerfing of T'challa even as supporting characters are developed and elevated above him in his own solo book.
Most core fans enthused by where Hickman left things at Secret Wars II's end juxtaposed against the beginning of Al Ewing's Ultimates, had a lot to look forward to moving forward.
Coates regressionist storytelling agenda full of rape, plunder and general debauchery was more "realistic" to some though.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3807149]Were there rape camps in Latveria too?[/QUOTE]
Doom would wipe the country off the face of the Earth if he even thought there were rape camps in his kingdom.
[QUOTE]Where there any rape camps in Genosha?[/QUOTE]
It would never happen with all the telepaths especially Emma walking around.
Yet only in a black country would rape camps be allowed. I guess enforcing that black men press women story line is the only way to get some folks to read Black Panther.
Fear of the strong black man is strong in the comic fandom. Even with a billion reasons to not fear it.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;3808347]Doom would wipe the country off the face of the Earth if he even thought there were rape camps in his kingdom.
It would never happen with all the telepaths especially Emma walking around.
Yet only in a black country would rape camps be allowed. I guess enforcing that black men press women story line is the only way to get some folks to read Black Panther.
Fear of the strong black man is strong in the comic fandom. Even with a billion reasons to not fear it.[/QUOTE]
I don't think human trafficking is necessarily "allowed" in most countries. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's rarely the subject matter of most comic book stories (mostly street level stuff when it does), but I don't think the idea being conveyed her is that Wakanda is the only country on earth where these sort of crimes can happen.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3808189]I wouldn't say he doesn't have any... but I would argue he should have had more, especially after the majority of his male supporting cast members were killed off. I agree that Shuri and Ramonda likely aren't going anywhere... but I think having a male or two in there would be nice. And certainly I hope Okoye sticks around... I honestly don't entirely understand why she vanished after Priests run to begin with, if the Dora's were still being used.[/QUOTE]
[B]Taku and N'gassi are still around. So it's not as though he had none. However, Coates decided to add in two bew Characters who are both absolutely useless (Akili did improve a little toward the end of the first arc but still useless)[/B]
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[QUOTE=XPac;3808374]I don't think human trafficking is necessarily "allowed" in most countries. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's rarely the subject matter of most comic book stories (mostly street level stuff when it does), but I don't think the idea being conveyed her is that Wakanda is the only country on earth where these sort of crimes can happen.[/QUOTE]
[B] But it just so happens that Wakanda is the onky country in the big two that shows Rape treehouses. It just so happens to be an African nation, an just so happens to have it happen after an event in which any other place would be back to status quo. But Wakanda devolves into savagery and contrived gender inequality and misogyny
complete with offensively obvious big ass treehouses..yeah pure coincidence though. This is so"realistic" [/B]
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Do T'challa ever do anything to stop the rape camps?
What about to stop the rampant crime around Wakanda as seen in WoW?
Or did he only spend his time trying to revive his sister instead of tend to his country?
Or did he only react when his throne was threatened?
All that is ok through right?
As a poster I wish would come back used to say.... just asking for a friend.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3808418][B]Taku and N'gassi are still around. So it's not as though he had none. However, Coates decided to add in two bew Characters who are both absolutely useless (Akili did improve a little toward the end of the first arc but still useless)[/B][/QUOTE]
Taku and N'Gassi aren't dead. They're not exacty around though. Writers, Coates included, don't seem terribly fond of either for whatever reason. Hopefully they show up more.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3808446][B] But it just so happens that Wakanda is the onky country in the big two that shows Rape treehouses. It just so happens to be an African nation, an just so happens to have it happen after an event in which any other place would be back to status quo. But Wakanda devolves into savagery and contrived gender inequality and misogyny
complete with offensively obvious big ass treehouses..yeah pure coincidence though. This is so"realistic" [/B][/QUOTE]
We see human trafficking in the States too, from time to time in stories.
If it makes anyone feel better, after Secret Wars Latveria pretty much fell apart too. Scott had an X Nation in the Avenger books (which never existed on the X-Men side of things), which unsurprisingly didn't make it's way back to the regular universe after Secret Wars. So a few countries experienced status quo shifts. Again, it's just a matter of whether or not writers wanted to use Time Runs Out or sweep it under the rug.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3808451]Do T'challa ever do anything to stop the rape camps?
What about to stop the rampant crime around Wakanda as seen in WoW?
Or did he only spend his time trying to revive his sister instead of tend to his country?
Or did he only react when his throne was threatened?
All that is ok through right?
As a poster I wish would come back used to say.... just asking for a friend.[/QUOTE]
Between reviving his sister and later dealing with the rebellion (plus the usual super hero stuff away from Wakanda) yeah... the story makes it clear that thing slipped through the cracks. And no, you can't actually say that's okay regardless of how busy he was or what sort of personal problems he was going through. If he sits in the big chair, that does fall on him and all the excuses in the world can't entirely hand wave that.
He was not in top form when Wakanda wasn't in the best of shape, and people took notice. But he did rebound and ultimately resolve everything... so in the end it sort of worked out. People who wanted change or independence got it, and T'CHalla mostly got back everything he lost (sister, Storm, and eventually the Doras).
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Wakanda.
The outskirts.
King T'challa in full Black Panther mode was pacing a couple of cheetahs across the golden veldt.
Black Panther: "Keep up guys!"
Dipping, dodging and acrobatically bypassing natural obstacles with ease.
Shuri: "I have you on satellite now brother... Do you like your new suit?"
Black Panther: "Spectacular! It adjusts and adapts to my every move and the kinetic energy absorption boost has increased my speed... I would have caught Bucky on the highway much sooner if I had this on!"
Bucky/Whitewolf: "Ha, I heard that!"
Black Panther: "I think the cheetahs have tired out already but I feel fine... I will press on towards the leopards and see how well I match up with them!"
The leopard domain...
Black Panther: "What is this!"
Shuri: "Something wrong brother?"
Various leopards were laid out in a daze and very inactive and unresponsive.
King T'challa picks up some paraphernalia off the ground and examines it closely then looks around in shock and awe.
Black Panther: "Opioids!"
Shuri: "Hunh???"
Black Panther: "Heroin... Crack Cocaine... Tide pods..."
Shuri: "Are you telling me that our pet cats are strung out on drugs inside of Wakanda!"
Black Panther: "YEP!"
Shuri: "Who the FRAK is writing us and what purpose or message are they trying to send?"
Black Panther: "I know right... I mean this is worse than treehouse rape camps!"
Bucky/Whitewolf: "Hey, I just work here!"
Shuri: "Do we have to play along or can we rebel and go start a war with Latveria or something?"
Black Panther: "We have the whole Marvel universe to play around in and we FRAKKING with this B.S. right here... C'mon son!"
Bast: "Pass me the hookah!"
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Editors Note: Although there will be some fans who would defend a writer who wrote such a story arc you have to admit certain topics should be avoided in escapist sci-fi fantasy! :D
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[QUOTE=XPac;3808374]I don't think human trafficking is necessarily "allowed" in most countries. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's rarely the subject matter of most comic book stories (mostly street level stuff when it does), but I don't think the idea being conveyed her is that Wakanda is the only country on earth where these sort of crimes can happen.[/QUOTE]
No sir...not Doomy
I may not like the character but I know that there will be no tree house rape camps on an editor for a Dr. Doom story watch. As soon as a writer presented that draft the editor will slide it right back to him..Let us try again
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As it happens, I know [B]exactly[/B] how (one version of) Doom deals with the rise of a criminal element in Latveria. And he did it [B]one issue[/B] after hearing about it, despite the fact that he'd only recently regained the throne, and was still consolidating power:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ZE2LG1c.jpg[/img]
From DOOM 2099 #27, back when Warren Ellis was still good.