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[QUOTE=Bukdiah;2550079]He got in amazing shape for Creed, but this could be because it is a side angle and it was after an intense workout though. Hypertrophy and whatnot. I'm sure people in Hollywood has access to HGH too, so that'll explain things.[/QUOTE]
Boxers are in great shape ... but they don't necessarily want to be big. A lot actually want to keep their weight down.
But super villains on the other hand are often big. If he's fighting a guy with a vibranium suit, he's likely going to need to be very big to really be seen as a credible threat (unless he's got armor too... which I think is a good idea).
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2550162]He was really lean for creed.
Not being resticted to being "boxer lean" will allow him to bulk up larger and much faster
And yeah.... peds aint hard to get when not a millionaire lol. But black dudes put on muscle fast
Tge issue with mbj was never his ability to bulk up, its his height compared to chadwick. Mjb will be bigger and stockier whike tchadwick proly gonna be more lean, sprinter prototype due to his height.
But, its moot really. Ill take his acting chops in a heartbeat.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, we have come a long way as comic fans. Back in the day, Black Panther would have starred Carl Weather's and Tiny Lister:)
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2550162]He was really lean for creed.
Not being resticted to being "boxer lean" will allow him to bulk up larger and much faster
And yeah.... peds aint hard to get when not a millionaire lol. But black dudes put on muscle fast
Tge issue with mbj was never his ability to bulk up, its his height compared to chadwick. Mjb will be bigger and stockier whike tchadwick proly gonna be more lean, sprinter prototype due to his height.
But, its moot really. Ill take his acting chops in a heartbeat.[/QUOTE]
I think people just had trouble with him playing the role because the comic book character he plays is such a massive human being. The comic Killmonger was a pro-wrestler sized human being.
But I think Bane in the Nolan movie proved that you can make even "normal" size actors work.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;2550266]Yeah, we have come a long way as comic fans. Back in the day, Black Panther would have starred Carl Weather's and Tiny Lister:)[/QUOTE]
Carl Weathers and Tiny Lister?
Man, times flies lol...
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Carl Weather was so jacked in Predator. The ultimate handshake went down lol
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[QUOTE=XPac;2550259]Boxers are in great shape ... but they don't necessarily want to be big. A lot actually want to keep their weight down.
But super villains on the other hand are often big. If he's fighting a guy with a vibranium suit, he's likely going to need to be very big to really be seen as a credible threat (unless he's got armor too... which I think is a good idea).[/QUOTE]
Indeed. I forgot what weight class Michael B Jordan was supposed to fight in, but he looked the same weight as Ward in the movie. I..kinda wanna rewatch it now lol.
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[QUOTE=Bukdiah;2550284]Carl Weather was so jacked in Predator. The ultimate handshake went down lol[/QUOTE]
That epic handshake was on predator? I thought it was elsewhere.
Man, I haven't seen that movie in a looooooong time.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2550292]That epic handshake was on predator? I thought it was elsewhere.
Man, I haven't seen that movie in a looooooong time.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;ItzslynRhwg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItzslynRhwg[/video]
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Or this one:
[video=youtube;BcIjFeWE4fE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcIjFeWE4fE[/video]
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2550122][SIZE=3]
Dude, you need to take your own advice because I seem to remember you deriding Ezyo1000's held position in regards to Coates take on the BP mythos, as being "hyperbolic" so it's a bit rich for you to be calling anyone else out as contributing to the so-called "toxic" vibe that some some posters are fond of alluding to when posters like myself and a few others point out the problems we have with Coates.
I could personally care less who reads or supports Coates on BP because if that's what floats their respective boats, good for them.
Conversely, I don't expect anyone to come at me or mine on some sideways passive/aggressive moves just because we would rather be reading about an Afro-futurist exploration of T'Challa and a reborn Wakanda as alluded to at the close of Hickman's Secret Wars II.
As a Black Panther mythos enthusiast, I reserve the right to state my opinion on said mythos as I see fit as long as I back up my held position with fact as opposed to the "alternative facts" and blatant distortions put forth by some others.
I am fully aware of the hostility T'Challa has faced from a segment of Marvel's readership which is more the reason why it's regretable that the worst iteration of T'Challa since the characters launch in 1966, should be getting pushed so hard and celebrated by some of the self same readers who couldn't stand the character and his world when Priest and Hudlin were writing the book.
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[B]Damn Maj coming in hot
[img]https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7qDSOvfaCO9b3MlO/giphy.gif[/img][/B]
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[QUOTE=Bukdiah;2550325][video=youtube;ItzslynRhwg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItzslynRhwg[/video][/QUOTE]
It was indeed predator. Time flies...
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2550331]Or this one:
[video=youtube;BcIjFeWE4fE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcIjFeWE4fE[/video][/QUOTE]
*watches entire video*
[IMG]http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1378064926_r-kelly-usher-shocked-music-video-reaction-gif-1363306207k.gif[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=XPac;2550253]I think it's fair to assume some in government knew about. Whether or not T'Challa and the Royal family is the question mark. Without getting specific, I'm fairly sure in the city I live in there is illegal activity that the local government is aware of which isn't necessarily being addressed. But I'm doubtful former President Obama or Bush were necessariily aware of it. When you rule an entire nation, not everything is going to end up on you desk. Running a nation is a big job. You're not necessarily going to be made aware of every crime that occurs, nor are you necessarily going to even be personally involved in dealing with the ones you are made aware of. And that's probably especially true if a revolution happens to be occuring at the time.
Things may well be slipping through the cracks... I just don't buy that all of it is entirely on T'Challa like the MA seems to be making it out to be. As good as he is, he obviously can't be expected to handle everything. He's already handling more and dealing with things no previous BP has ever needed to.[/QUOTE]
Your example brings up a potential plot point. Is there corruption at the local level? People keeping it quiet. As far the camp goes, we don't know where they took the women from. If they were from a local village why didn't the men of the village report it? Or if they killed the men to take the women, somebody should notice that a village got wiped out. And if that does not reach the Kings ears, I don't know what should.
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[QUOTE=Cville;2550445]Your example brings up a potential plot point. Is there corruption at the local level? People keeping it quiet. As far the camp goes, we don't know where they took the women from. If they were from a local village why didn't the men of the village report it? Or if they killed the men to take the women, somebody should notice that a village got wiped out. And if that does not reach the Kings ears, I don't know what should.[/QUOTE]
An actual chieftan was allegedly responsible for the first incident involving the Dora... so that in and of itself implies government corruption. The book states it's well known... how well known is unknown.
As far as human trafficing goes... that's a real life problem. It not just a comic book thing. So if bad guys in real life can get away with it for whatever reason, they should theoretically be able to get away with it in comic books too. The exact circumstances are unknown, and it's probably not that important anyways since the culprits were all murdered a page later.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2550491]An actual chieftan was allegedly responsible for the first incident involving the Dora... so that in and of itself implies government corruption. The book states it's well known... how well known is unknown.
As far as human trafficing goes... that's a real life problem. It not just a comic book thing. So if bad guys in real life can get away with it for whatever reason, they should theoretically be able to get away with it in comic books too. The exact circumstances are unknown, and it's probably not that important anyways since the culprits were all murdered a page later.[/QUOTE]
It is not like they kidnapped them and shipped them off to Europe or South Africa where finding them would be difficult. Considering they are still within the countries boarders, Tchalla could track them pretty easily. If he know about it. The country is not that big. Only six million people by marvel estimate. An example would be from Jungle Action. Killmonger destroyed a village while BP was out of the country. When told he went to the village then later tracked the people responsible, ran into Killmonger and got beat up.
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My problem with Coates run are many. But I'm nitpicky about details of Priest and Hudlins runs. In general, however, I find Coates run boooooring. Tone deaf ( we just had 8 years of T'Challa and Wakanda getting trashed. And to define tone deaf a little further, the same themes Coates is exploring could have been set against the backdrop of the direction Wakanda wanted to take for the future such as how much they should continue engaging the rest of the world that threw them to Thanos. Or whether the resources of Wakanda should go entirely to rebuilding or exploring space. All with the same feminist theme but looking to the future instead of backwards towards rape camps. I just don't believe Coates has the chops or the brains to write a well fleshed out Wakanda or T'Challa. He fell back on easy stereotypes instead if taking on a more challenging way of displaying his agenda. Of course, I also think that even if he had chosen a more forward looking storyline, his approach i believe would still be ham fisted and boooooooorinzzzzzzzzzzzz......
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2550246]Ramonda knew there were human trafficking ops? Or did you mean something else? I don't remember those camps being mentioned to Ramonda, T'Challa or anyone else in T'Challa's staff.[/QUOTE]
Ramonda was told in the VERY FIRST ISSUE about the bandits on the boarders (the ones who were enslaving women). In the following issue one of the midnight angels says that the royal family knows what's going on but they aren't doing anything. Coates himself even alluded to T'Challa knowing but having "bigger issues" on his plate to deal with.
T'Challa def has been written to do relatively silly actions, notably the meeting and soloing the Niganda Border region. Both situations were unecessary and backfired on him.
[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2550246]That being said, even those blunders are little compared to what the MAs are doing. They have been hypocritical the entire way and they're putting their village and the people they are supposed to protect in jeopardy without the means to protect them. That's not just stupid, that's flat naive and outright dangerous. If T'Challa were written like they well, the anger for Coates' run would triple.[/QUOTE]
I'll say again, that's not how the most readers are seeing things play out. People are actively rooting for the Dora Milaje and their mistakes and failings aren't being highlighted in the same way T'Challa's are. Keep in mind we're seeing their perspective WAY more than T'Challa's both in the Black Panther series and in World of Wakanda. Hell solicits and Coates comments even point to them being Wakanda's greatest hope.
[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2550246]As for the book itself, I def agree that it points to no one person leading the nation. That said, it's evident (imho) who, out of the three factions, is the better choice. More importantly, as much as I prefer T'Challa being king, I don't consider it a defeat to his character if a new system does indeed show up as suspected, especially if it's done a certain way. As a reader, I much prefer that the monarchy stays and is in charge, but so long as T'Challa is a BP and is a highly influential member of Wakandan society in said system (and that his portrayal improves in this run), I can live with that.[/QUOTE]
It's problem for them to install a new system and keep hamming home the point that T'Challa is a terrible king, going so far as to have him say he's not fit for the job.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;2550553]My problem with Coates run are many. But I'm nitpicky about details of Priest and Hudlins runs. In general, however, I find Coates run boooooring. Tone deaf ( we just had 8 years of T'Challa and Wakanda getting trashed. And to define tone deaf a little further, the same themes Coates is exploring could have been set against the backdrop of the direction Wakanda wanted to take for the future such as how much they should continue engaging the rest of the world that threw them to Thanos. Or whether the resources of Wakanda should go entirely to rebuilding or exploring space. All with the same feminist theme but looking to the future instead of backwards towards rape camps. I just don't believe Coates has the chops or the brains to write a well fleshed out Wakanda or T'Challa. He fell back on easy stereotypes instead if taking on a more challenging way of displaying his agenda. Of course, I also think that even if he had chosen a more forward looking storyline, his approach i believe would still be ham fisted and boooooooorinzzzzzzzzzzzz......[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to say the man isn't smart or talented. He's clearly both IMO. He just made it clear from the jump that there were a lot of things he outright didn't like about the Black Panther mythos and that he was dead set on changing. He had a story in mind and he was going to tell that story no matter how much he had to change. He pretty much approached the mythos with the mentality of "This sucks so I need to fix it".
Seriously, people need to go back and read those interviews he did before the book launched. Those were the first red flags for many of us. So much of what he said about the mythos was just him talking about what he didn't like about the character and his mythology. He said outright that he knew long time fans wouldn't like his series and that he didn't care.
As I've being saying for some time, Coates Black Panther run is basically UnFanfic.
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Question, I know Priest introduced a number of Nigerian influences into the mythology e.g. using the Hausa dialect between T'Challa and the DM, aliens speaking Yoruba phrases and even the use of Yoruba names for some of the characters but after perusing Marvel.com I wasn't aware that they made the Yoruba language alongside Wakandan as the 2 major languages of Wakanda. When did this happen?
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[QUOTE=Chesterfield;2550590]Question, I know Priest introduced a number of Nigerian influences into the mythology e.g. using the Hausa dialect between T'Challa and the DM, aliens speaking Yoruba phrases and even the use of Yoruba names for some of the characters but after perusing Marvel.com I wasn't aware that they made the Yoruba language alongside Wakandan as the 2 major languages of Wakanda. When did this happen?[/QUOTE]
Can you provide the link to the material?
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;2550569]Ramonda was told in the VERY FIRST ISSUE about the bandits on the boarders (the ones who were enslaving women). In the following issue one of the midnight angels says that the royal family knows what's going on but they aren't doing anything. Coates himself even alluded to T'Challa knowing but having "bigger issues" on his plate to deal with.[/QUOTE]
Again, I suppose I've read those pages in #1 and #2 differently. Ayo mentions, among other things, "villainy rules." She doesn't specifically mention rape camps or human trafficking (or the like) while talking to Ramonda. Only that one chieftain that was doing what he was doing.
[IMG]https://i.imgsafe.org/6c85b24eaf.png[/IMG]
Later on, she mentions that a bunch of bandits and corrupt chieftains are operating "under the royal eye."
[IMG]https://i.imgsafe.org/6c864cc26e.png[/IMG]
Did the royal family know about the camps? Did they know the extent in which chieftain corruption went? We don't have answers to that. Several of us were asking those question back when #2 came out as well.
[QUOTE]I'll say again, that's not how the most readers are seeing things play out. People are actively rooting for the Dora Milaje and their mistakes and failings aren't being highlighted in the same way T'Challa's are. Keep in mind we're seeing their perspective WAY more than T'Challa's both in the Black Panther series and in World of Wakanda. Hell solicits and Coates comments even point to them being Wakanda's greatest hope.[/QUOTE]
If they are still rooting heavily for the MAs at this point, then I def respectfully disagree with their stance.
[QUOTE]It's problem for them to install a new system and keep hamming home the point that T'Challa is a terrible king, going so far as to have him say he's not fit for the job.[/QUOTE]
Only the MAs, Tetu and Zenzi have said that he's a terrible king or something similar. Not surprising being that they are trying to dethrone him.
I didn't like the "ill fit" line, just as I prefer the monarchy being in charge. That being said, at this stage of the story arc (and despite everything that has gone down), it's obvious who between the three factions (T'Challa, Tetu, and the MAs) is the most qualified to lead imho, and it's def not Tetu's group or the MAs.
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[QUOTE=Cville;2550630]Can you provide the link to the material?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://marvel.com/universe/Wakanda[/url]
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[QUOTE=Chesterfield;2550590]Question, I know Priest introduced a number of Nigerian influences into the mythology e.g. using the Hausa dialect between T'Challa and the DM, aliens speaking Yoruba phrases and even the use of Yoruba names for some of the characters but after perusing Marvel.com [B]I wasn't aware that they made the Yoruba language alongside Wakandan as the 2 major languages of Wakanda. When did this happen?[/B][/QUOTE]
That's news to me. :confused:
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I am so happy to see Butch Guice has been confirmed as the regular artist for the Crew.
They have really have given Coates some great artists to work with. Some might not like the story, but this has a murders row of great artists working on him.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;2550722]I am so happy to see Butch Guice has been confirmed as the regular artist for the Crew.
They have really have given Coates some great artists to work with. Some might not like the story, but this has a murders row of great artists working on him.[/QUOTE]
The artist we'be seem so far are not only good, but they compliment the storytelling. Shame they have some degree of trouble keeping up with the monthly grind, but in this day and age almost all of the really good ones seem to have that problem.
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[QUOTE=Chesterfield;2550676][url]http://marvel.com/universe/Wakanda[/url][/QUOTE]
Personally I would say it's a mistake. Other sources say they speak multiple languages as a result of their education system. But for it to be a major language considering the countries that speak it are on the opposite side of continent doesn't sound right. Of course it might be leftover from when Wakanda was on the West coast of Africa decades ago. lol
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;2550578][B]I'm not going to say the man isn't smart or talented. He's clearly both IMO. He just made it clear from the jump that there were a lot of things he outright didn't like about the Black Panther mythos and that he was dead set on changing[/B]. He had a story in mind and he was going to tell that story no matter how much he had to change. He pretty much approached the mythos with the mentality of "This sucks so I need to fix it".
Seriously, people need to go back and read those interviews he did before the book launched. Those were the first red flags for many of us. So much of what he said about the mythos was just him talking about what he didn't like about the character and his mythology. He said outright that he knew long time fans wouldn't like his series and that he didn't care.
As I've being saying for some time, Coates Black Panther run is basically UnFanfic.[/QUOTE]
[B] Maybe brains wasn't the correct words for mouser to use, but Coates lacks the imagination needed to tell a Wakandan story (ontop of him saying in multiple interviews everything he didn't like and wanted to change) when. He says things like "I can't wrap my head around why if these people are so advanced, why they still have an old system in place" and "I can't understand how being around an all female group of bodyguards how a man wouldn't start to take advantage of it" I'm paraphrasing of course but he basically said that and like you said that was a Huge red flag. No one bothered to ask him either what he DID like and what he wanted to add (as a positive or raising Tchalla to new heights) that would benefit the mythos. It was all negative and he pulled out all the stops.
The only thing we can hope for is that next season, after his ego is (hopefully) satisfied, he starts Actually writing something good for Tchalla and stops then 5th most interesting character in his own damn book nonsense[/B]
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5th most interesting? That is pretty generous.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2550491]As far as human trafficing goes... that's a real life problem. It not just a comic book thing. So if bad guys in real life can get away with it for whatever reason, they should theoretically be able to get away with it in comic books too. The exact circumstances are unknown, and it's probably not that important anyways since the culprits were all murdered a page later.[/QUOTE]
Yes, when I buy a book about a heroic monarch of a high-tech African nation who gained superhuman abilities by eating a special plant and communing with a deity who may or may not be Egyptian, my first question will always be "Is he dealing with real-life problems?"
Seriously, when did a bit of escapism become anathema?
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;2550722]I am so happy to see Butch Guice has been confirmed as the regular artist for the Crew.
They have really have given Coates some great artists to work with. Some might not like the story, but this has a murders row of great artists working on him.[/QUOTE]
He becomes more and more like Bendis as time goes by
:P
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2551106]Yes, when I buy a book about a heroic monarch of a high-tech African nation who gained superhuman abilities by eating a special plant and communing with a deity who may or may not be Egyptian, my first question will always be "Is he dealing with real-life problems?"
Seriously, when did a bit of escapism become anathema?[/QUOTE]
Really, it's a matter of taste. Some writers, just like some readers, prefer things more reality based. And some don't. A character like T'Challa potentially caters to both fairly easily.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2551106]Yes, when I buy a book about a heroic monarch of a high-tech African nation who gained superhuman abilities by eating a special plant and communing with a deity who may or may not be Egyptian, my first question will always be "Is he dealing with real-life problems?"
Seriously, when did a bit of escapism become anathema?[/QUOTE]
To be fair, superheroes dealing with real life problems have been a part of the genre since the beginning. Superman taking on slumlords back in the day, Capt America punching Hitler before America was in the war...
The problem with the Coates run to me is less that there's real world problem as part of the plot, and more that BP [I]isn't[/I] dealing with it. He's just moping around while things just sort of happen.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;2551160]To be fair, superheroes dealing with real life problems have been a part of the genre since the beginning. Superman taking on slumlords back in the day, Capt America punching Hitler before America was in the war...
The problem with the Coates run to me is less that there's real world problem as part of the plot, and more that BP [I]isn't[/I] dealing with it. He's just moping around while things just sort of happen.[/QUOTE]
I'm certain he'll deal with the real world issues by the end of the story arch. Solicits give us a good idea of how that will be resolved. But he's gotta punch out the bad guys first, which has to happen at the end of the story arc. You stop the aresonist because you can put out the fire.
These things just take longer when a writer is doing a 12 issue arc. Obviously a writer doesn't resolve problems until the end of the story, but long arcs do tend to make things drag a bit.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2551167]I'm certain he'll deal with the real world issues by the end of the story arch. Solicits give us a good idea of how that will be resolved. But he's gotta punch out the bad guys first, which has to happen at the end of the story arc. You stop the aresonist because you can put out the fire.
These things just take longer when a writer is doing a 12 issue arc. Obviously a writer doesn't resolve problems until the end of the story, but long arcs do tend to make things drag a bit.[/QUOTE]
That's not exactly how it works. I mean, grab any novel off your shelf, and I'll bet dollars to donuts the hero doesn't lose on every page until the very end. He'll win some small victories, suffer some drawbacks, and then, at the climax of the story, finally win, followed by some wrapup (or, in the case of LOTR, practically a new story, but I digress).
Instead, Coates is merely piling on loss after loss, with only a trivial victory (the Stane thing), which could actually be deleted from the book without affecting the plot at all.
As for the idea that all will be explained at the end... none issues of mediocre, pretentious and polemical writing does not lead me to expect a well-written denouement.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2551178]That's not exactly how it works. I mean, grab any novel off your shelf, and I'll bet dollars to donuts the hero doesn't lose on every page until the very end. He'll win some small victories, suffer some drawbacks, and then, at the climax of the story, finally win, followed by some wrapup (or, in the case of LOTR, practically a new story, but I digress).
Instead, Coates is merely piling on loss after loss, with only a trivial victory (the Stane thing), which could actually be deleted from the book without affecting the plot at all.
As for the idea that all will be explained at the end... none issues of mediocre, pretentious and polemical writing does not lead me to expect a well-written denouement.[/QUOTE]
He did win small victories. He drove Zenzi and Tetu off and in the third issue. He and Eden shut down their suicide bombers, and T'challa and the Crew drove off Stane. He had small victories. The wrap up presumably will be in the 11 or 12 issue.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2551145]He becomes more and more like Bendis as time goes by
:P[/QUOTE]
David Walker can't catch a break
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actually i take that back. he had a great artist for Cyborg
edit - then again, it [I]is[/I] Cyborg.. no offense
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;2550553]My problem with Coates run are many. But I'm nitpicky about details of Priest and Hudlins runs. In general, however, I find Coates run boooooring. Tone deaf ( we just had 8 years of T'Challa and Wakanda getting trashed. And to define tone deaf a little further, the same themes Coates is exploring could have been set against the backdrop of the direction Wakanda wanted to take for the future such as how much they should continue engaging the rest of the world that threw them to Thanos. Or whether the resources of Wakanda should go entirely to rebuilding or exploring space. All with the same feminist theme but looking to the future instead of backwards towards rape camps. I just don't believe Coates has the chops or the brains to write a well fleshed out Wakanda or T'Challa. He fell back on easy stereotypes instead if taking on a more challenging way of displaying his agenda. Of course, I also think that even if he had chosen a more forward looking storyline, his approach i believe would still be ham fisted and boooooooorinzzzzzzzzzzzz......[/QUOTE]
totally agree... but then again i think priests run is the best, and everyone after that shits on it
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Can really see the gold and black design working in the film tbh.
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head piece is too much but I like the wrist and necklace gold
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[QUOTE=Stryfe8;2551366]totally agree... but then again i think priests run is the best, and everyone after that shits on it[/QUOTE]
I like Priest's run as a whole (though I have a few issues with it), but I prefer Hudlin's origin retelling the best but I'm not really sure whose T'Challa I prefer.