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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3332983][COLOR="#000080"]I'm buying everything from Lion's Forge. Noble is a good read and more people, not just Black people, need to check it out.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Agreed %.
Support independent books that cater to your needs rather than books from publishers who are fond of paying lip service to meaningful diversity.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3332142]Dude, you ain't never lied. Where's all that "the SJWs replaced my icon for PC agenda it's an insult to me as a long time fan" talk when it comes to Vic?[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Quiet as hell on that front. I've yet to see Vic get anywhere near the level hate that Riri gets.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;3332443]
People beat off to Doom, even when all that talk about F4 characters missing from Infinite or in comics all they really meant was Doom but they don’t have the courage to admit that out loud[/QUOTE]
I don't know if it's even a case of beating off to Doom as much as it's a case of even though Doom is Romani, folks think of him as white/european. So then it doesn't fit the narrative of "SJWs have replaced all the straight white males at Marvel for minorities and women! Marvel hates straight white men!"
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;3332464]I don’t trust Coates to come up with a new Wakandan teen to join the teen hero ranks, how young are Kasper’s kids?[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Coates? I wouldn't want him to name a rock in Wakanda much less create any heroes. He can't do anything with the one he's supposed o be writing.
The less he does the better as far as I'm concerned.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3332985]Agreed %.
Support independent books that cater to your needs rather than books from publishers who are fond of paying lip service to meaningful diversity.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]That's gospel BCB.[/COLOR]
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Apples to oranges.
Wonder Woman had a tv show and over 600 solo comics and consistent usage over Panther.
She can have those bad patches. I heard her new 52 run was bad-yet she was the ONLY New 52 book at the libraries here to have a LONG waiting list to read those trades. Her trades get read to death worst than Static, Ms Marvel & Hudlin's Panther.
How much stuff does she have versus Panther? She is an icon and Panther is not there yet.
And you hear those same crickets when they say DC is doing it better and can't cite an example. Outside of Jessica & Simon-who avoid the bleep storm of hate John gets. How is Duke, Cyborg, Wally, Beetle and Vixen in better shape?
Especially when folks QUESTION Vixen being a billionaire and view her powers as useless. So I guess Animal Man is useless too.
That she can not be a billionaire since she is/was a model and there is no PROOF beyond one comment in the JLA book.[/QUOTE]
I don't if WW vs BP is apples and oranges. The parallel I was trying to draw is that both characters have made live action debuts that the general audience loved, yet the current comic books are underwhelming.
As far DC and diversity is concerned I was thinking about stuff like in the 90's Steel, Cass Cain, Birds of Prey ...say what you want about how it turned out business wise but they did distribute Milestone...nu52 had black male characters starring in their on books ( Static, Mr Terrific, Batwing, Vibe...there was an Aguaman spinoff title that had a diverse cast), you had Batwoman ( gay/jewish), a year or so ago you had had from Vertigo titles like Names and Frostbite that starred black women
But yeah, as far as those folks who say that DC "does diversity better" they obvious don't read that many DC Comics as that DC does the exact same thing that Marvel does and both companies have been doing it literally for decades
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;3332489]Please don't give Asylum Studios any ideas.
Interesting they never spoof black movies unless you want to count Pacific Rim 2 with John Boyea in the lead..
Versus Marvel or Lion Forge they haven't.
You don't keep putting the same editor on black lead books after he has failed big time the first two times.
See Static Shock and Walker's Cyborg. Whose editor did Sempter's Cyborg.
For the SECOND time a Cyborg book is outsold by Moon Girl. When Walker admits DC does not know what to do with Cyborg-that tells you all you need to know.
For all this SJW Marvel backlash we have seen-No one can debate the results. Aside from Nighthawk, the BP spinoffs, Red Wolf, Nightmask & Nick Fury-the majority of those SJW books got more than one trade. And many are doing fine in trades as Amazon.com shows up.[/QUOTE]
Don't get me started. Minority/female led book fails it's "Why are they forcing these books Down our throats? No one wants this! Marvel has a political agenda!" Straight white male led comic fails ( Black Knight, Fool Killer, etc) you get crickets...
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[QUOTE=C_haos;3332882]No the character designs and other aspects of the animation are great but the fight scenes when compared to some of the other marvel stuff at the same time it doesn’t hold up like say Spectacular Spider-Man or Wolverine and the X Men[/QUOTE]
I think the fights were definitely better then Wolverine and the X-Men, or at least they flowed better and were more elaborate then WaTXM generally (I can't really recall that many memorable fights from that show compared to EMH).
But that's just me...
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3333036]Don't get me started. Minority/female led book fails it's "Why are they forcing these books Down our throats? No one wants this! Marvel has a political agenda!" Straight white male led comic fails ( Black Knight, Fool Killer, etc) you get crickets...[/QUOTE]
Really, 99% of the books on the market bot connected to an established franchise fail. It's a tough market for pretty much any character to break into. A character actually getting a firm foothold on the shelf, like say a Deadpool, is literally catching lightning in a vottle.
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[QUOTE=Ziggiyy;3332666]The best thing DC has ever done as far as diversity is the Justice League/JLU cartoon and credit for that goes to the legend Dwayne Mcduffie.
That carryon was so classic even my father watched it with us when we were kids. It was damn near must see tv during its run.[/QUOTE]
I'd go even further with John Stewart...he was originally created for a one off story when Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams were trying to do socially conscious stories for Green Lantern/Green Arrow. And Neal Adams suggested a story about a substitute GL being a black man.
Over ten years later Steve Engelhart was pitching stories for his run on GL and told the editor about his idea for a story where Hal Jordan loses the the ring and John takes over. The editor was like, "That's cool, but it'll kind of be a drag when John goes away after Hal comes back." Steve was like, "No! My idea is that John doesn't go away, he stays around!"
When they did the Justice League cartoon, Kyle was the main GL in the comics but Bruce Timm etc, was like why make this team a bunch of WASP guys and one female? So they added John Stewart ( and Hawkwoman).
But yeah, my original point was that there's way more diversity in the comics that they at DC than a lot of folk want to admit. Marvel has some historical first, but it's not like DC is stuck in the 50's.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3333056]I'd go even further with John Stewart...he was originally created for a one off story when Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams were trying to do socially conscious stories for Green Lantern/Green Arrow. And Neal Adams suggested a story about a substitute GL being a black man.
Over ten years later Steve Engelhart was pitching stories for his run on GL and told the editor about his idea for a story where Hal Jordan loses the the ring and John takes over. The editor was like, "That's cool, but it'll kind of be a drag when John goes away after Hal comes back." Steve was like, "No! My idea is that John doesn't go away, he stays around!"
When they did the Justice League cartoon, Kyle was the main GL in the comics but Bruce Timm etc, was like why make this team a bunch of WASP guys and one female? So they added John Stewart ( and Hawkwoman).
But yeah, my original point was that there's way more diversity in the comics that they at DC than a lot of folk want to admit. Marvel has some historical first, but it's not like DC is stuck in the 50's.[/QUOTE]
They’re stuck in which every time period where if things don’t sell it’s cause the character of color doesn’t sell and if a white one doesn’t well just try again “it’s the DC moto”
“People keep asking for Cass Cain.......so create a new white girl to serve Batman and let them know it’s too difficult to use her or what’s her name again......Brown something”
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[QUOTE=XPac;3333050]Really, 9% of the books on the market bot connected to an established franchise fail. It's a tough market for pretty much any character to break into. A character actually getting a firm foothold on the shelf, like say a Deadpool, is literally catching lightning in a vottle.[/QUOTE]
Even Deadpool though is from a different era. He's like from over twenty five years ago when your could buy comic books from Borders Books
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;3333060]They’re stuck in which every time period where if things don’t sell it’s cause the character of color doesn’t sell and if a white one doesn’t well just try again “it’s the DC moto”
“People keep asking for Cass Cain.......so create a new white girl to serve Batman and let them know it’s too difficult to use her or what’s her name again......Brown something”[/QUOTE]
Ironically enough, current Babs Gordan Batgirl is written in much the same way as pre nu52 Stephanie Brown Batgirl was and Marvel's current girl hero comics are ...the whole spunky girl next door thing...
But yeah, Marvel is the same way...Punisher, She Hulk, Moon Knight...they'll keep trying to revive the success they had with these characters twenty years ago ( DC is the same way with Teen Titans ...) but fans don't go "Why are they forcing Angry White People down my throat? Agenda!"
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3333088]Ironically enough, current Babs Gordan Batgirl is written in much the same way as pre nu52 Stephanie Brown Batgirl was and Marvel's current girl hero comics are ...the whole spunky girl next door thing...[/QUOTE]
Steph as Batgirl was basically a modern reconstruction of the classic Batgirl after Cass deconstructed it or just made it her own thing.
It's not surprising that when they brought the original back they took some influence from Steph's run, though not as much as they should have in my opinion.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3332984]Actually, people who are hardcore WW fans have some similar complaints as folks who are hardcore BP fans...new writers ignoring previous writers developments, writers presenting the hero out of character, writers back peddling from the original concept in an attempt to to make the hero less "controversial"...[/QUOTE]
[B]But how many books is she in? How many more stories does she have over Tchalla? I will say the good thing is that BP is getting the lead in the Avengers Cartoon, his Solo, his Big annual with big names attached to it, and having a big role in probably the most anticipated movie and most hyped movie in history.. it would just be nice that if in the meantime while waiting for these big things,
we had a ongoing that wasn't completely
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