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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1622839]With the exception of the Ant Man movie, have any other Marvel movies had similar problems securing a Director?[/QUOTE]
Thor: The Dark World went thru several choices (Ken Brannagh, Patty Jenkins and a dude who I'm not recalling right now) before they settled on (for?) Alan Taylor.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1622860]So what in your opinion, could be a possible explanation as to why so many African-American film Directors have turned this project down?[/QUOTE]
I don't think its an "African-American" thing.
I think it is more of a "named" director thing. They are approaching known, popular directors who necessarily do not "need" Marvel and they don't want to deal with the Marvel Studios/shared universe interference.
I mean, look at Edgar Wright, another named director who does his own thing. He couldn't deal with it, and dipped out mid production. This interference works for the MCU, we will see if the other way, the way DC/WB is doing it, works for them and creates a cohesive universe.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1622886]I don't think its an "African-American" thing.
I think it is more of a "named" director thing. They are approaching known, popular directors who necessarily do not "need" Marvel and they don't want to deal with the Marvel Studios/shared universe interference.[/QUOTE]
DuVernay wanted creative freedom (you aren't getting that from Marvel Studios-they booted Wright) and F. Gray Gray frankly went with the Bigger, Better Deal.
The Fast & Furious franchise is just as big as Marvel and he'll have to put up with less studio interference from Universal
-if anything he's going to have his ass kissed during production on account of Straight Out Of Compton doing so well for them.
If Marvel pushed around Whedon during production (the guy that gave them their biggest hit at that point) they will push around anybody.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1622839]With the exception of the Ant Man movie, have any other Marvel movies had similar problems securing a Director?[/QUOTE]
Iron Man.
I heard 6 or more (not sure) directors rejected the offer to direct it due to the fact that Iron Man was an obscure character at that time till Favereau came
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;1622911]DuVernay wanted creative freedom (you aren't getting that from Marvel Studios-they booted Wright) and F. Gray Gray frankly went with the Bigger, Better Deal.
The Fast & Furious franchise is just as big as Marvel and he'll have to put up with less studio interference from Universal
-if anything he's going to have his ass kissed during production on account of Straight Out Of Compton doing so well for them.
If Marvel pushed around Whedon during production (the guy that gave them their biggest hit at that point) they will push around anybody.[/QUOTE]
you are forgetting Rick Famuyiwa and Ryan Coogler
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I am actually starting to see it as a positive.
Marvel knows this movie is important and they are being very, very careful with who they are approaching director wise.
They could have easily went to "random, average black director" from the very start. Instead they are starting "at the top" it seems and working their way down.
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As long as it doesn't hit "average white director" or below, I'm fine. Perspective is very important, and so is craft.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1622674]I honestly don't get the "need a black american actor for Black Panther" thing at all. Most blacks (and hell any american population) know so little about sub sahara africa that I don't see how 99% of american directors (black white whatever) could "relate" to T'challa and Wakanda.[/QUOTE]
Basically, because they don't want people to complain about lack of diversity. I do agree with your points though.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1622674]I honestly don't get the "need a black american actor for Black Panther" thing at all. Most blacks (and hell any american population) know so little about sub sahara africa that I don't see how 99% of american directors (black white whatever) could "relate" to T'challa and Wakanda.[/QUOTE]
Can't agree with that.
I would agree if there wasn't a massive amount of blood diamond, poverty porn related portrayals of Africa in most hollywood movies. Even AOU made South Africa look really poor looking.
That tends to happen less, more humanistic portrayals when headed by people more conscious of those issues. And that could be a white director. Tends not to be.
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[QUOTE=Double 0;1622984] Even AOU made South Africa look really poor looking.
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Really? I've never been there obviously btu with all the sky scrapers and such, I thought it looked anything but poor
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[QUOTE=Double 0;1622984]Can't agree with that.
I would agree if there wasn't a massive amount of blood diamond, poverty porn related portrayals of Africa in most hollywood movies. [B]Even AOU made South Africa look really poor looking.[/B]
That tends to happen less, more humanistic portrayals when headed by people more conscious of those issues. And that could be a white director. Tends not to be.[/QUOTE]
And people still swear that it was supposed to be Wakanda. People who where even on the set of the movie to do interviews claimed it was Wakdanda when it clearly wasn't.
Go read Doomwar if you curious as to why it's a good idea for Marvel to look for black directors for the black Panther movie. Or go read Max Landis idea for a Black Panther film. Sometimes people with good intentions can still come up with some BS ideas and execution when it comes to have certain people and places are portrayed.
Hell look at Django Unchained. It's a well made film with great performances and it's entertaining. But the supposed "most realistic look at American slavery ever" was just an exploitation film where the main villain still ended up being a black man. Tarantino is enough of a film bufff and has shown before that he knows about subtext in cinema but somehow THAT was ok.
We've already seen this BS mentality play out with fans. Remember that BS rumor from earlier this year about the Avengers invading Wakanda or Wakanda going to the U.N. to ask for help? Some people ate that ish up as being brilliant and didn't see a problem with it at all.
Or look at all the people demanding Luke Cage wear that stupid costume for his Netflix series.
I'm not trying to see some watered down Black Panther or Wakanda that makes it a point to have the one good white person be the narrator of the film. And not wanting that doesn't just eliminate white directors either, it also excludes the likes of Tyler Perry and Lee Daniels. I don't need a Black Panther film with white supremacist subtext no matter how unintentional it is.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;1622911]DuVernay wanted creative freedom (you aren't getting that from Marvel Studios-they booted Wright) and F. Gray Gray frankly went with the Bigger, Better Deal.
The Fast & Furious franchise is just as big as Marvel and he'll have to put up with less studio interference from Universal
-if anything he's going to have his ass kissed during production on account of Straight Out Of Compton doing so well for them.
If Marvel pushed around Whedon during production (the guy that gave them their biggest hit at that point) they will push around anybody.[/QUOTE]
To add to this Vin is also F Gary's homie which means even more creative freedom for him and Vin.
Also Sanford Greene posted the pencil & inks to his BP#1 variant
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/yungburnout/Mobile%20Uploads/09E278FD-2E04-408A-B31C-E474E310A0CC_zpso1jrxkix.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1623003]Really? I've never been there obviously btu with all the sky scrapers and such, I thought it looked anything but poor[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was gonna say... if someone had walked into the movie during the Iron Man/Hulk fight they probably would have mistook the setting for New York.
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[video=youtube;-6vWD5TLtEs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6vWD5TLtEs[/video]