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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3688493]It's funny how T'Challa barely speaking and the plot being action-heavy are considered strong points in so many of these reviews, because, to me, it looks more like Coates is making Acuña do all the heavy lifting on the storytelling. :D[/QUOTE]
Comics are a visual medium. The artist has to be doing the heavy lifting. The writer gives the direction and frames it all, but ultimately it's up to the artist to execute.
That said, there is a story in place. It's not just about him punching people.
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[QUOTE=DragonsChi;3688487]That is because "Street Level" was not originally meant to be a classification for power levels. Instead being the type of crime they face. Spider-Man for example is in terms of power would be more so higher Mid Tier but he takes down muggers and bank robbers on the regular.
In terms of Cap V. T'Challa Physically Cap I believe has been shown to be more advance. While T'Challa on the other hand is slightly more precise and willing to go places/ do things Cap won't in a fight.[/QUOTE]
Nope, equal or T'challa is more powerful, Black panther is way faster too. BP can tag Spider-man.
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[QUOTE=jackolover;3688187]Evil Wakanda? Bendis is doing Evil Krypton. Who’s stealing from who?[/QUOTE]
[B]I don't care what Bendis is doing over at DC. I care about what Coates is doing/done to Wakanda. And yes so far he had done everything he can to paint a bad light on Wakanda and Tchallas mythos [/B]
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[QUOTE=XPac;3688495]Comics are a visual medium. The artist has to be doing the heavy lifting. The writer gives the direction and frames it all, but ultimately it's up to the artist to execute.
That said, there is a story in place. It's not just about him punching people.[/QUOTE]
hello thank you. people will find ANYTHING to complain about when its associated with Coates even when he is getting an overwhelmingly positive response.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3688495]Comics are a visual medium. The artist has to be doing the heavy lifting. The writer gives the direction and frames it all, but ultimately it's up to the artist to execute.
That said, there is a story in place. It's not just about him punching people.[/QUOTE]
That's true, but a good writer knows their artist's strengths and weaknesses. You don't say, ask Rob to draw feet ;)
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3688409]An interesting take on issue #1, from a comment to a puff piece on IO9:
I'm not entirely sure what the commenter means by this, not being familiar with the essay, but it certain sounds pretentious and US-centric enough to be Coates' motive.[/QUOTE]
[B] Would not surprise me at all considering S1 and 2 has the same exact pretentious add-ons to the seasons to try and make this generic story into some kind of complex thought provoking piece when it's not.
I like dopespills channel but there are times with Black panther that he starts trying to make lemonade out of piss.
Priest had complex and thought provoking stories that came together nicely and where dense.
Hudlin had less complex stories, but they were fun and took us on adventures and even through in some complex stuff here and there. But mainly, it it was a joy ride.
Coates had done none of that[/B]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3688541]hello thank you. people will find ANYTHING to complain about when its associated with Coates even when he is getting an overwhelmingly positive response.[/QUOTE]
[B]No, it's just some of us see through the bullshit for what his stories are. Season 1 got all this praise and it turned Wakanda Into stereotypical Africa with Tchalla doing stupid thing's like meeting with known despots and asking advice on how to quell a rebellion (something he has done many times) just to see what they would say, and is surprised when it backfires. Some of us aint going to applaud his "overwhelmingly positive responses" when all he is doing is playing more on turning Wakanda into pilgrim/European slave trader analogues with Black dysfunction in the Wakanda mainland
Coates is getting carried by marvel doing their best to keep his book relevant and out of the cancel zone. He doesn't write good BP stories.
Had Priest, Hudlin, or Liss got this much help from marvel? We would of had 100 issues from them and Hudlin's true doomwar with a satisfactory ending and WWW (World war Wakanda)[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3688580][B]No, it's just some of us see through the bullshit for what his stories are. Season 1 got all this praise and it turned Wakanda Into stereotypical Africa with Tchalla doing stupid thing's like meeting with known despots and asking advice on how to quell a rebellion (something he has done many times) just to see what they would say, and is surprised when it backfires. Some of us aint going to applaud his "overwhelmingly positive responses" when all he is doing is playing more on turning Wakanda into pilgrim/European slave trader analogues with Black dysfunction in the Wakanda mainland
Coates is getting carried by marvel doing their best to keep his book relevant and out of the cancel zone. He doesn't write good BP stories.
Had Priest, Hudlin, or Liss got this much help from marvel? We would of had 100 issues from them and Hudlin's true doomwar with a satisfactory ending and WWW (World war Wakanda)[/B][/QUOTE]
Only actual Black Panther enthusiasts and open minded newcomers to the BP mythos, get this.
Coates regurgitated and wholly unoriginal nonsense primary appeal to some, lies solely in the fact that T'Challa in particular and Wakanda as a whole, have been reduced to bit players and catalysts to the forward progression and measurable development of guest stars such as Storm.
It's funny how writers such as Reginald Hudlin and Dwayne McDuffy, were able to write Ororo as a true powerhouse without diminishing T'Challa's status in his own book and yet some readers back then, complained that Storm wasn't "elevated" enough.
Some of those readers are now praising Coates current take on the BP mythos primarily because of his unbalanced and wholly contrived elevation of Storm within a book that's ostensibly supposed to be the titular characters solo book.
The fact that Coates is (and continues) doing this at T'Challa and Wakandas expense, is totally lost on such readers.
None of this suprises me in the slightest.
As Brother Ezyo, MoS, BoG and a few others have pointed out, if other writers such as Priest; Hudlin and Liss had recieved the kind of disproportionate support Marvel have given Coates thus far, their respective runs would've been more so succesful than the current tripe Coates is churning out and he wouldn't have gotten anywhere close enough to have such a destructive impact on the BP mythos.
Excelsior.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3688541]hello thank you. people will find ANYTHING to complain about when its associated with Coates even when he is getting an overwhelmingly positive response.[/QUOTE]
I think you could counter that people will find ANYTHING to praise about when it is associated with Coates, even when he writes an overwhelmingly average issue.
Most of the people who are pointing out valid criticisms of #1 stated it was decent/solid/good when the issue came out. Mostly because of the art but still... you can criticize anything. A lot of people around here are of the opinion Priest run is the best run and there are still criticisms of that.
This was barely a set up issue considering it is starting in the middle of a story. Issue was saved by Acuna who took a heavy handed slave allegory issue and made it entertaining to look at. I hope Acuna can keep pace month to month.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3688721]I think you could counter that people will find ANYTHING to praise about when it is associated with Coates, even when he writes an overwhelmingly average issue.
Most of the people who are pointing out valid criticisms of #1 stated it was decent/solid/good when the issue came out. Mostly because of the art but still... you can criticize anything. A lot of people around here are of the opinion Priest run is the best run and there are still criticisms of that.
This was barely a set up issue considering it is starting in the middle of a story. Issue was saved by Acuna who took a heavy handed slave allegory issue and made it entertaining to look at. I hope Acuna can keep pace month to month.[/QUOTE]
One could even reasonably argue that Coates thinly veiled usage of tired tropes and flimsy allegorical ideas on discrimination are much more suited to the style of writing that's quite popular amongst some X-writers.
I just wish Marvel would give him a core X-book to go peddle his wares in thus leaving the field clear for a writer who actually respects the richness and urgency of the BP mythos to craft proper BP centric stories as opposed to the low-fi twaddle Coates has generated thus far.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3688732]One could even reasonably argue that Coates thinly veiled usage of tired tropes and flimsy allegorical ideas on discrimination are much more suited to the style of writing that's quite popular amongst some X-writers.
I just wish Marvel would give him a core X-book to go peddle his wares in thus leaving the field clear for a writer who actually respects the richness and urgency of the BP mythos to craft proper BP centric stories as opposed to the low-fi twaddle Coates has generated thus far.[/QUOTE]
This. So much of THIS!!!
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3688714]Only actual Black Panther enthusiasts and open minded newcomers to the BP mythos, get this.
Coates regurgitated and wholly unoriginal nonsense primary appeal to some, lies solely in the fact that T'Challa in particular and Wakanda as a whole, have been reduced to bit players and catalysts to the forward progression and measurable development of guest stars such as Storm.
It's funny how writers such as Reginald Hudlin and Dwayne McDuffy, were able to write Ororo as a true powerhouse without diminishing T'Challa's status in his own book and yet some readers back then, complained that Storm wasn't "elevated" enough.
Some of those readers are now praising Coates current take on the BP mythos primarily because of his unbalanced and wholly contrived elevation of Storm within a book that's ostensibly supposed to be the titular characters solo book.
The fact that Coates is (and continues) doing this at T'Challa and Wakandas expense, is totally lost on such readers.
None of this suprises me in the slightest.
As Brother Ezyo, MoS, BoG and a few others have pointed out, if other writers such as Priest; Hudlin and Liss had recieved the kind of disproportionate support Marvel have given Coates thus far, their respective runs would've been more so succesful than the current tripe Coates is churning out and he wouldn't have gotten anywhere close enough to have such a destructive impact on the BP mythos.
Excelsior.[/QUOTE]
[B] Exactly. Hudlin and McDuffie had great Storm feats, yet people will say Hudlin sidelined Storm and usually they point to SWaD (Which was written by JA) and then blame Hudlin. But he actually did have Storm do stuff. McDuffie took it further and had her hit SS with a storm in space and channel some massive energy. But this isn't good enough for some.
So when Coates Storm comes into the BP mythos and Coates basically Storm fanfics the mythos, of course people act like he is the next coming of Priest or something... Coates has yet to do any benefit to T'Challa or Wakanda itself. But people try to dissect his simplistic story telling and spin something out of the mediocrity, because they don't want to admit that though they may like his other work, his comics leave MUCH more to be desired [/B]
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3688721]I think you could counter that people will find ANYTHING to praise about when it is associated with Coates, even when he writes an overwhelmingly average issue.
Most of the people who are pointing out valid criticisms of #1 stated it was decent/solid/good when the issue came out. Mostly because of the art but still... you can criticize anything. A lot of people around here are of the opinion Priest run is the best run and there are still criticisms of that.
This was barely a set up issue considering it is starting in the middle of a story. Issue was saved by Acuna who took a heavy handed slave allegory issue and made it entertaining to look at. I hope Acuna can keep pace month to month.[/QUOTE]
The thing is, the first issue of a new arc pretty much always is a set up issue. I think it deserves some credit for having as much action and pacing as it does considering first issues are usually bogged down with set up.
But I suppose that's the advantage of starting in the middle of the story. You're hitting the ground running.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3688828][B] Exactly. Hudlin and McDuffie had great Storm feats, yet people will say Hudlin sidelined Storm and usually they point to SWaD (Which was written by JA) and then blame Hudlin. But he actually did have Storm do stuff. McDuffie took it further and had her hit SS with a storm in space and channel some massive energy. But this isn't good enough for some.
So when Coates Storm comes into the BP mythos and Coates basically Storm fanfics the mythos, of course people act like he is the next coming of Priest or something... Coates has yet to do any benefit to T'Challa or Wakanda itself. But people try to dissect his simplistic story telling and spin something out of the mediocrity, because they don't want to admit that though they may like his other work, his comics leave MUCH more to be desired [/B][/QUOTE]
Truer words were never spoken.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3688732]One could even reasonably argue that Coates thinly veiled usage of tired tropes and flimsy allegorical ideas on discrimination are much more suited to the style of writing that's quite popular amongst some X-writers.
I just wish Marvel would give him a core X-book to go peddle his wares in thus leaving the field clear for a writer who actually respects the richness and urgency of the BP mythos to craft proper BP centric stories as opposed to the low-fi twaddle Coates has generated thus far.[/QUOTE]
Excellent post!
Prime reason why I do not post as much in this thread. I would literally just be rehashing what Mr. M is or has been saying. Coates for sure is writing the wrong book for the story he wants to project. Heck he would probably do well on a Luke Cage title if not a X-Book but Black Panther for sure is not for him.